Trojan
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Trojan, sadly it is the pathetic childish attitude of your friend and others who spend more time calling each other "jameaters" without knowing who is or isn't a "jameater" that has and still is holding back rugby league at a professional level in west Cumbria.
I still don't know how people can assume that one club will be weaker than two mediocre struggling clubs!!! In west Cumbria more people have actually walked away from the game altogether than go to watch both Town and Haven in total. But still we listen to the "over my dead body" people.
Well perhaps you can explain it to the residents of Workington and Whitehaven and persuade them to pay out their money to watch a merged team.
When you've done that you can have a go at Hull & Hull Kr, and Cas and Fev. If you succeed, I recommend that you offer your services to the Palestians and Israelis.
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People from Kippax consider themselves from Castleford even though the postal code and phone numbers are both Leeds. When someone says "lets go into town" they mean Castleford and not Leeds.
Their are a fair few Cas fans in Garforth, Micklefield and Swillington as well, all of which are in the Leeds district.
I always think that Cas draw most of their support obvously from Cas (Whitwood, Airedale, Glasshoughton) but mainly after that from north of the Aire.
Fev on the other hand draw mainly from Ponte, Knottingley, Ferrybridge, Ackworth Purston Streethouse, Hemsworth, South Kirkby (where my family come from orignially) I think Sharlston's a bit borderline between Fev and Wakey.
Wakey again obviously from Wakefield, but Horbury, Wrenthorpe, Alverthorpe, Outwood, Lofthouse, Stanley, Normanton but then to areas bordering on Barnsley like Brierley, Ryhill, and Royston.
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finally got my express today and am amazed to read nigel wood earns more than the prime minister!
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Initially, several mergers between existing clubs were proposed:
1. Castleford, Wakefield Trinity and Featherstone Rovers would form Calder
2. Hull FC and Hull Kingston Rovers would form Hull"
3. Whitehaven, Workington Town, Barrow and Carlisle would form Cumbria
4. Warrington and Widnes were to form Cheshire
5. Salford and Oldham were to form Manchester
6. Sheffield and Doncaster were to form South Yorkshire
They were to be included with the following stand-alone clubs: St Helens, Wigan, Leeds, Bradford Northern, Halifax, London, Paris and Toulouse.
Which of these would have been better than the current situation for clubs in that area and which will eventually happen anyway?
In my opinion 3, 5 and 6 are arguably better than what we have now in those areas
In my opinion 1, a version of 3 and 6 may well eventually happen to get a club into SL from those areas as Wakey & Cas are stymied by a lack of decent stadium and the Marras go ahead without the other 2 listed (who ironically merged 11 years ago).
The ludicrous petition and associated threads made me curious.
I would suggest the winners from this NOT happening as planned have been Wire Hull FC & HKR, all of which have gone on to be successful on their own.
Just to add, Halifax & Toulouse may well get back to where they were envisaged in 1995 in the next round of licences
But who will pay through the gate to watch them? The antipathy between Cas and Fev is well known, as is that in Hull.
But a similar feeling exists between Whitehaven and Workington - I used to work with a lad from Whitehaven - he had no time at all for the "jameaters" I used to tease him by calling him one - he was not amused.
You could merge Sheffield and Doncaster without much trouble - but I bet you still couldn't come up with SL sized crowds.
I don't think there's much love lost between Wire and Widnes either.
The only way these could have been made to work is that if one or other of the mergees went out of existence then perhaps there might be some mileage in it but I doubt it.
I used to know a Bradford City fan, his wife and her family had supported Park Avenue but even twenty years after they dropped out the league there was no way they'd be seen dead at Valley Parade.
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Want to put money on that Geof, come on get yer tight Yorkshire wallet out.
Wouldn't be fair to bet on a cert
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Cocktails for two - Spike Jones
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Wigan Warriors have offered deals to eight members of their youth team who have all signed up.
Chris Taylor - stand off or centre, product of Wigan St Pats and Abraham Guest. A powerful tackler with creative abilities. Chris has been on the scholarship for three years, he has also represented England at U'16's recently against France.
Connor Farrell - younger brother of Liam, he is strong running back row forward with an excellent work ethic and attitude. A product of Wigan St Pats and St John Fisher School.
Dominic Manfredi - a tough uncompromising centre, a product of Leigh Miners ARLFC.
Dom Crosby - prop forward who has shown an excellent attitude after a successful trial, has figured in the Under 20's this season.
John O'Donnell - Back Row forward who has joined the Warriors from Wigan St Pats.
Tom Spencer - prop forward who has been with the Club for two years. Played for the GB Community Lions under 19's in a recent tour in South Africa.
Ryan Hilliard - scrum half with good creativity and an excellent kicking game. Has come from Pilkington Recs, another success of the Warriors trialling system.
Jaydon Sandford - full back who has figured in the Under 18's this season, a product of Wigan St Pats.
What's the betting they'll all have signed for the Giants in two years time
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So do you count these areas as Castleford as Leeds or as neither?
They are very adjacent to Castleford. You only need to turn right at the end of Wheldon Road, go over the two bridges and you're in Leeds - politically. Speaking as someone who worked in Cas for 10 years, most of those living in the places I named treat Cas as the place to go out for a meal, or a drink, or to shop, or to watch sport. The centre of Cas is much larger than that which would be needed for a town of its size.
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Keith Senior gets the digs in and never seems to cop for any.
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Someone once posted on here (may have been Kenny Tiger) that most people on the terraces at Castleford aren't from Castleford. (sorry Kenny if it wasn't you.)
Castleford is not that big a place. But for the surrounding areas, Ledsham, Ledston, Allerton Bywater, Kippax, Methley,South Milford, Sherburn in Elmet, Monk Fryston (all of which are in Leeds MDC BTW) Castleford is their main shopping town, and centre. They are today all large residential areas, and presumably supply large numbers of Cas's crowd.
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If there's a Morrisons there and they can get Pooles meat and potato pies then the answer is probably yes
However, the people I stand with at Fev are there every game.
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In the Anvil on Friday before Wigan's game the usual suspects from Oxford, Birmingham and Bristol were in attendance, they role up every game.
Does that mean those places are considered part of Wigan.
If there's a Morrisons there and they can get Pooles meat and potato pies then the answer is probably yes
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Haven't we just had a record weekend for attendances? Maybe they are happy with how things are and under the impression a suitable number of "customers" are in agreement.
For the top of SL. What about the rest? Salford, Bradford, Crusaders, Harlequins? Attendences are certainly down in the Championship - nowt to play for except a tick in a box. Which if posts on here are to be believed will mean absolutely nothing when the decsions are taken.
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Does that include Knottingley and Normanton, assuming Pontefract is sided with Featherstone.
Fev certainly draws fans from Ferrybridge, Knottingley, even Kellington and Snaith. The group I stand with come from these areas, plus Barnsley. I come from Morley - 12 miles away and I'm not the only one.
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Why should you be asked, supporters really do get ideas above their station. You are just a customer buying a product.
I don't recall Mars asking all their customers for permission to change the name of Marathon to Snickers.
Companies like Mars do market research amongst their customers all the time. As do most companies (never filled a questionaire in on your way back from Greece Dave?) So why don't the RFL seek the views of its customers? Frightened of getting the wrong answers perhaps.
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Where does Harlequinns constituancy stop.
Where does it start
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Unfortunately, that's not an uncommon mindset. There are those who think that only born-and-bred Northerners deserve Rugby League and that nobody else can possibly be a 'true' fan or hold a valid opinion on the sport.
The whole wording of this petition could not be better designed to be ignored by the RFL. It comes across as paranoid, backward-looking and entirely negative.
The fact remains that most RL fans in the "heartlands" have chosen RL as their sport. There's plenty of premiership soccer in this area - Liverpool, Everton, Bolton, Wigan, Man C, Man U, plus the championship, 1st and 2nd division Yorkshire sides. There's top class Union at Leeds and Sale and any number of smaller clubs, but RL fans turn out in large numbers to support their teams.
This can't be said of - say London - where there's been a club for nigh on thirty years - long enough to establish itself as the first choice sports team perhaps a small minority of Londoners, but nevertheless a significant minority. This simply hasn't happened. And yet the RFL has persevered with them through their various incarnations, and those of us in the heartlands who allegedly think only their opnions count have (AFAIR) never been consulted about their continued subsidised existence.
Plus of course franchising, Super League, or summer Rugby. I don't recall as a regular "heartlands" supporter being asked my attitude on any of these major changes to the game. So rather than "paranoid," given their treatment by the game's administrators I'd rather use the adjective "loyal" if no one minds that is.
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2b. You've obviously not been out of the M62 "heartlands" very often then in the last decade. When I first moved down to the south east of England, there were no rugby league clubs.
You must have lived in the South a long time Craig, Fulham/Crusaders/Broncos/Harelquins are 30 years old next month. I recall a London amateur RL side playing a friendly at Belle Vue in 1969.
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I'm sure i have seen Padge's name on the credits (Dad's army that is)
what do you say Dave
He wasn't Pike was he? (stupid boy
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You can't denude a team of all its best players - Fielden, Peacock, Lowes, Pryce, Vainokolo, Deacon, plus its best coach - Noble and expect the same perfomances. If anyone is to blame for Bradford's current plight it's Caisley - who's now long gone.
The Bulls have been in a decline since his departure. They are in a losing streak and to revive an argument from another thread, they don't look like top 8 contenders, so from the players' and fans' points of view what's the point?
Their season is effectively over. They should still be capable of beating the likes of Salford but it looks like they can't be bothered.
Was it only 2005 when they beat Leeds in the GF? With Lowes playing his last game, Pryce MOM. Peacock went to Leeds because Caisley told him he could F-off when he asked for more money. Noble and Fielden were allowed to go to Wigan without much of a fight. When you think of them in the early noughties, and look at them today - it's a case of how are the mighty fallen?
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The 3:00 v 3:30 kick off I believe tied in with local licensing laws.
On a Saturday afternoon, under restricted opening hours, different areas had slightly different hours.
Kick offs were timed around the pub hours.
Leigh traditionally have a 3:30 ko where as Wigan was always 3:00, Saturday afternoon in Wigan pubs shut at 3:00 and in Leigh it was 3:30.
When the games moved to Sunday it stayed that way as on a Sunday the pubs shut at 2:00 or 2:30 but clubs had an hours extension.
Basically they didn't want to compete with the pubs and clubs
Also bare in mind that many clubs had their own supporters club which made money for the club and you would want to maximize the amount of time supporters were in the bar.
In the days when I was a regular at Belle Vue it always puzzled me how they got away with keeping the bars open on Sunday afternoons.
Clubs certainly moved from Saturday to Sunday because of counter attractions of Saturdays, including live sport on TV (not necessarily Rugby) Racing for starters. My uncle a miner would spend his entire Saturday afternoon flitting between the bookies at the bottom of the street and his TV.
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It was a brilliant effort all round.
The figure which most stands out for me is Saints getting over 10k for Quins. It makes you wonder whether people may prefer Sunday afternoons? Glad they got to see a competitive game as well.
I hope the good people of Bradford hang in there. The vast majority of teams have seen darker teams in the last few years. It is just harder when there is such a gap between expectation and delivery.
Spot on. That's why the RFL moved most fixtures there in the seventies. The only exceptions IIRC were Leeds who always preferred to play at Headingley on a Friday night, I seem to remember Salford playing Fridays too.
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Well done the Gallant Youths
Karl Harrison really has made a difference there. What can Salford have been thinking about? -
Under 11's, Leeds had a set of twins called the Gibbons
(i will check my programme tonight when i get in from work)
Funky?
Which R.L club has biggest crowds per capita ?
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What do you call geographically? Geographically, Ledston, Ledsham, Kippax, Allerton Bywater, and Methley are very adjacent to Cas. Some almost within walking distance of Cas town centre, but politically they are in Leeds. Standish is in Wigan, Coppull is in Lancashire. Does Copull count as Wigan's area?