Bitofaboogie
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Forgot to mention number 4.
4. Be prepared to cheat and breach the salary cap, with the comfort of knowing you wont be dealt with in the same manner as ANY other club!
That's right - other clubs breach the cap (some of them repeatedly) and get a slap on the wrists, Wigan don't breach the cap and get fined 200 grand and docked league points.
Leeds breach the cap every season but have a business structure so labyrinthine that it's impossible for the RFL's "independent" cap assessors to ever understand it, so Leeds never get done.
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WHHHOAAARRGGHHH!!!
How good was that?
Becoming Superleague champions and extending the Scousers' Grand Final nightmare all in the space of one evening - turned out nice again!!
Wigan finally get that monkey off their back whilst St Helens' metamorphosises into a giant Silverback Gorrilla.
And it's such a relief to finally be able to unwrap this tin foil from around my head!!
See you next season.
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Saints fans want to go back and win. It's the end of an era for the current Saints side on and off the pitch. Leeds want to go back and keep their amazing run going. What's the problem?
It's boring - people like a change.
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The most original "Wigan Walk" I ever witnessed.
No mate, that was the time we put 60-odd on you lot at Knowsley Road and you Scousers were creeping out after 35 minutes - you really showed us how the Wigan walk should be done, that night.
If it is Saints v Leeds again, I don't think I'll be alone in giving it the cold shoulder.
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If it is Saints v Leeds again I won't be going, I won't be watching on TV and I won't even be interested in the result.
Please, please, please Let at least one out of Wigan and Huddy make the final, preferably both.
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Didn't Wigan almost go bust in the pre-cap days, only to be saved by DW?
Wigan's dominance almost killed RL pre-cap and almost killed themselves. Remving the cap would be the death knell
No, actually.
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1. Of course it works - the top clubs on the whole are reigned in, of course it's manageable - clubs are caught and punished. If you want to argue it's not a perfect system then suggest what is?
2. You are right and for me we should ask SKY what they want if they are the paymasters. If they want an even competition then the salary cap stays and the SKY money could also be distributed unevenly. However maybe SKY back the cap behind closed doors so it could be an academic argument.
3. Like the expansion clubs crowds and home grown players they will always be hit over the head for the lack of them in their formative years by supporters of clubs who have been around 130 years. Similarly the cap has been applied to a series of clubs only a few of whom can stand on their own two feet financially, clubs who are fledglings, clubs who are in bad grounds and clubs who don't have sugar daddies etc.
Easy to condemn a system that can't yet work across the board because of other problems.
4. So what's the system you advocate??? If you want to bad mouth and remove a system suggest something? All down the years you have just left the argument as "The cap should be abolished" even Boogie has shifted to admitting wage inflation would be the result and a small clique of clubs playing out a league within a league.
We have that now, but the cap is there to help reign it in and in time when other clubs get on their feet we will see a more even competition.
The development of SL as a league of 14 big clubs all on full cap and all bringing through good juniors of equal quality isn't a 10 year thing and maybe isn't a 20 year thing.
Excuse me but Boogie hasn't shifted to admitting anything - I am merely playing devil's advocate. I have never supported the cap and I never will support the cap. Rugby League cannot prosper in a free market context whilst it continues to behave like soviet communists. All my arguments against the cap have been ridiculed in the past but they will all now be trotted out by the self-interested to justify why it should now go. My interest lies in why this dramatic change-of-heart should occur at this point in time.
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Is that what you are suggesting then?
How do Quins make a profit? Probably by fielding a semi pro side of Londoners.
How would HKR make a profit given they lose
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Tomkins = occasional hothead and bonehead who will be chastised by his coach for his rulebreaking actions on the pitch.
Bailey = serial thug and coward who will be praised, rewarded and encouraged by his coach for his rulebreaking actions on the pitch.
'nuff said.
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I know it's very sinister - I bet if they were all Wigan players they would find some way of declaring it void and giving it to another teams player
Nice to see that you are prepared to concede that it is rather convenient.
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Adrain Morley
Sam Tomkins
Pat Richards
Discuss?
Interesting nominations don't you think?
Nominating two Wiganners means that the whole Wigan playing staff will have to give their 1st preference vote to Adrian Morley and are barred from casting any votes at all for Sam and Pat, if I understand the rules correctly. Can anyone confirm this?
Wonder if it is allowed to abstain?
If Richards doesn't win it will be the biggest injustice since Trent Barrett was robbed in the name of a substitute.
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I know you have a persecution complex and as seen as Hull kr were playing Wigan last night it's hardly "bringing" them into it. I merely compared Hull K R's supporters actions to those of Wigans and hey presto.
Yeah and the dickhead Leeds fans who smashed all those windows in the Wigan supporters coach injuring two girls the last time we were at Headingley are in a league of their own.
I'm hoping Saints pick us with the club call.
Then I won't have to put up with Leeds' team of professional thugs being urged on by their gang of enthusiastic amateur thugs and I won't have o contemplate putting 20 quid into Hetherington's back pocket either.
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and next you'll have the words "broken in the spirit of the salary cap"
How ever you look at it, its cheating
Correct - it is cheating in my eyes and in the eyes of most RL fans.
It is cheating in exactly the same way that Leeds' and Saints' and Wires', etc, etc creative accounting is cheating but have they ever been punished to the same degree?
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So why were Wigan deducted points then, for breaching the salary cap I believe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/6896583.stm
The salary cap should stay.
Even in the current economic climate clubs will try to spend beyond their means and go belly up.
Mr Hetherington has been arguably the most strident promoter of the cap for years - it will be interesting to see if he agrees with you should the continuation of the cap come up for a vote between the clubs.
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So why were Wigan deducted points then, for breaching the salary cap I believe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/6896583.stm
The salary cap should stay.
Don't believe everything you read on the BBC.
Wigan hase never broken the cap nor have they ever been found guilty of breaching the cap - read the judgement from the RFL if you can find it.
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Which question exactly?
The one posed in my post replying to Terry.
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Again BOAB do you have EVIDENCE of this so called "special relationship"(not just your paranoid delusions)
The salary was brought in to create a level playing field and not to "cut the ###### off Wigan"who coincidentally have breached the salary cap twice.
I agree that clubs are going to struggle in the current economic climate and your veiled dig at Leeds for wanting the cap removed is as usual pathetic.
Leeds have announced profits and have stated that the profits will go to improve Headingley stadium.Do you have a problem with that.Surely improving the facilities for fans should be a priority for clubs.Any chance to have a dig at Leeds,Saints or Wires though eh.
Wigan has never broken the salary cap.
So, if clubs are going to struggle in the current economic climate, do you think the cap should stay or go?
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Btu surely for what you wrote to be true then Wigan would have had to have been in a superb financial state, and they clearly werent. They had a castle built on sand and all it took was one poor season to see it sink.
Answer the question.
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Jesus, do you wear a tin foil hat too?
Answer the question.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Can somebody get his medication.
Why not try answering the question Terry?
Why would you want to put your wage bill up when your customers are going to have less money to spend on your product in the coming years?
This economic dowturn may take 10-15 years to sort out and once the effect of public sector cuts starts to bite then there is going to be a lot less money available in the economy to spend on anything other than essentials - this is going to be especially true in the North (a.k.a. The RL Heartland.)
I do not agree with the cap and never have agreed with it but the last thing that any business wants to be doing at the moment is increasing its costs and therefore its liklihood to have to borrow.
So why do certain clubs want to scrap the cap all of a sudden?
Could it be that some clubs are now in a position to declare unprecedented profits and want use them?
It couldn't just be good old self interest at work now could it?
I feel the heavy hand of the special relationship at work.
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Is it just me or is liam Farrell very overrated?
It's you.
Farrell is an outstanding young prospect with a good career in front of him, he is strong, quick, not bad with the ball and a very hard worker in both defence and attack.
Farrell would make it into any Superleague 1st 17 at the moment and he is only 20.
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Very disappointing turnout from the home fans last night I thought.
Just over 11,000 in the ground including a very healthy attendance by the HKR lot.
These play off games need to be marketed as big occasions with accompanying promotions on ticketing to back it up.
Thought the HKR speccies were great last night both in number and in the volume of their support from start to finish - pity that this was spoiled a bit by a handful of eejits.
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The salary cap was never about evening up the competition, the salary cap was never about producing financial stability for clubs and even if it ever was about these two things it has clearly failed miserably on both counts as some clubs are still in the financial mire and we are looking at a Grand Final between then same two clubs for the 4th consecutive season. It is no wonder that the two clubs in question are the two biggest cap abusers and tax dodgers in the league and that close on their heels in both departments is the cup winners for the last two seasons.
The salary cap was only ever about one thing - cutting the ###### off Wigan and so long as it was performing that function there was never going to be any pressure to remove it. Now that Wigan have their cap sorted out, are producing quality young players for fun and are once again threatening to rise to the top then it is no surprise that a debate about the removal of the cap has begun as the club chairmen that have promoted the cap and the RFL officials with whom they have colluded now need to find a new way to keep Wigan away from the trophies.
Rugby League must be a in a very fortunate position indeed at the moment because in the present economic climate it must be the only business in the country that is advocating wage inflation as a response to its consumers having less money available to spend on their product.
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Yep. Lee, Steve May, Giantsrides are going to hate me saying this, but what have Huddersfield ever offered to Super League? Their crowds have increased in recent years, yes, but their support is still relatively poor. I can't remember it ever being great, though I'm sure it was at some point in the past.
They'll never be given the boot from Super League. They've been given plenty of opportunities to establish themselves at the expense of others, and they've built up their crowds just enough to be a shoe-in. On one level, fair play to them, but I'm sure plenty of other clubs could have done the same given the chances they've had and the sugar daddy support.
Good luck to them next week. Think I'll be cheering for their opponents though
Hasn't one of their directors just been given some high-paying job at Red Hall?
That'll keep 'em sweet no matter how few people turn out to watch them.
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