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  1. 3 minutes ago, tiffers said:

    Out of interest, what insight to the planning have you had?
    Last I heard, the land was allocated and the conversation had moved to funding it. With the lack of central government commitment in the Autumn budget, it meant they were back at the drawing board for funds.

    probably wishful thinking on the part of an ex member of Cornwall Council I run into from time to time - funding is the main issue, but the antis managed to kick the can along long enough for us to end up where we are rather than getting it done years ago. So it's more that the planners/local worthies lost their long drawn attempts to stop it, but stopped it long enough for premiership ring fencing and lack of central government funds to ride to the rescue - IYSWIM.

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  2. On 09/03/2022 at 12:35, Eddie said:

    the negative - and there is one - is that this is likely because both the premiership is essentially ringfencing, and even without that shot in the hull (hit to income and anchor tenant), the Stadium for Cornwall is yet again listing heavily as a proposal because the planners and enough of the local worthies don't want it.

    So, what it does mean is that Cornwall appears to be stuck with the sports grounds it has got. Pirates' benefactor has spent millions over nearly 20 years trying to make pro sport happen in Cornwall - and Cornwall's most popular sport at that.

    If I was trying to introduce RL to Cornwall, and really committed to it rather than a stunt for a couple of years, I'd be drawing conclusions from that experience unfortunately. 

  3. On 27/02/2022 at 05:34, Wholly Trinity said:

    You do realise "football" relates to games played on foot (rather than on horseback).

    Soccer has been used for over a century in the UK to distinguish from other types of football, in particular rugby football, and as stated comes from its full name of association football.

    The idea that soccer is not British English is purely revisionist. It's just like rugby union referring to itself as just "rugby" in the UK whereas it was always referred to as rugby union to make a distinction to proper rugby. It's a claim to domination. 



    as an aside, I think it was only the 1980s when the Times stopped having a page headed 'football results' that then divided into 'Association', 'Rugby Union' and 'Rugby League' - with the implications that they were all football.

    Until RU went pro almost all the top sides I can think of were still describing themselves as 'FC' rather than RFC or RUFC. In Birmingham the council road signs actually signposted to Moseley FC(RU).

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  4. 57 minutes ago, Damien said:

    I actually like it too and think its great when clubs have their own individual songs. It all helps for the atmosphere. Yes it may have come from Football but as a Rugby fan I firmly think of Leeds RL when I hear it now.

    Totally agree, maybe Rhinos should get one.

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  5. 39 minutes ago, tiffers said:

    You're also assuming that all members are from the immediate geographic area and don't cross any town border to attend. A clear problem with any % of population comparison arguments. It doesnt stack up in the 21st century. People are far more mobile than ever before. No longer do they live the entirety of their lives in a pit village and never leave.

    I'd suspect that as time goes on we can expect most clubs will find a wider and thinner density of support from a much wider geographic area.

    Only because it makes the maths easier. I agree with all of that, except that I reckon far more people from outside Leeds will watch Leeds than people from outside Cas will watch Cas - especially when geography gives them a genuine straight choice of either.

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  6. 2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

    The population of the town is irrelevant, I am told this time and time again and that it’s fine to have small town clubs in Super League.

    £200 from a Leeds supporter pays the same amount of wages as £200 from a Cas supporter, it’s not worth more because Cas have smaller population, so % of a towns population is the most pointless statistic ever. 

    totally agree with the first sentence, it is fine to have small town clubs in Super League. The second sentence is also true, except that clearly Castleford are going deeper into their potential support than Leeds are.

    So a small town club is automatically fishing in a smaller pool of potential support and having to do more with less. Everyone's £200 is worth the same, and Castleford will run out of people's £200 before Leeds does. However, what's the maximum ceiling of people in any place willing to put their hands in their pockets? I'd argue that if a team is getting nearly 1 in 10 of the inhabitants to buy in, that's probably quite impressive. 

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  7. 22 hours ago, Yorks Tim said:

    From a fan's POV, Years 1/2 you just want to see that players, coaches , owners are commited to getting the club established and you're not wasting your money coming back next week.

    Years 2/3 you want to competitive with the other teams not in the play-off mix and maybe getting your first win against one of them.

    Years 3/4 you want to be winning all your home games against them and maybe one away.

    Years 4/5 you want to believe that the first win against a 'heartlands' teams is round the corner.

    Year 5/6 you hope it happens and you can now think about fighting for a play-off place.

    Starting from scratch in League 1 is tough - as West Wales have found - but the club will get support if the fans can see that there is something worth getting behind. 





    I'd actually disagree with this - unless you're really sure that there are enough people out there crying out to watch rugby league, you need a winning team. It was a much easier sell to get people to come and watch the team that they kept reading about winning on the back page of the Oxford Mail (in the first season). 

  8. 7 hours ago, Big Picture said:

    Another aspect of this occurred to me tonight when I was watching another classic match involving that same Widnes team and all the RU converts they had that season.

    Am I mistaken, or were almost all the RU players who "went north" back in the day Welsh and/or black and/or working class?  And if I'm right about that, it leads to a very unflattering conclusion about the RU administrators who finally relented on the question of players being paid for their efforts: as long as they only lost players who were Welsh and/or black and/or working class they didn't really care, but when faced with the prospect of losing white upper/middle class English players in meaningful numbers they soon got off their duffs and did something to prevent that.


    I think you’ve got half a point. It gone too far with it. If you never have, get over to YouTube and watch The Game That Got Away.

    firstly when that was recorded it gives the number of Union converts in the league as 25%.

    secondly, it’s got the directors of Wigan (I think) actually saying their strategy is to go for the working class lads and the Welsh because the cash will turn their heads. They state that if someone is middle class, or has got university ahead of them then they won’t approach them because they haven’t got the money to compete with their future earnings.

    anyway, posh southern boys did go north - Keith Fielding comes immediately to mind - but with them it tended to be because they wanted to, rather than because the RL clubs had come knocking for them.

    my answer would therefore be that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other - RU might have been content to lose the players it lost, and would have worried more about losing ‘white upper/middle class English players in meaningful numbers’ but both the League and the Union knew that was never going to happen, and the League wasn’t actually trying.


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  9. 7 hours ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:


    It was £10 for the Western Terrace.   However ridiculous the price may be to some, it always pulls in a good crowd.

    The Leeds team is usually a similar mix but for some reason they put out a very strong squad this year.

    Yes but it’s a bit like suddenly contesting a scrum in that it’s a surprise once. Boxing Day encounters between the two are usually more balanced and that makes for a better match. If one side puts out nearly a first XIII and the other the usual development/triallist mix then longer term the appeal will wane if they keep doing it.

  10. Slightly surreal here as my two sides cross over for the first time (I think) in my life. 

    Having wondered all season where Moseley’s John Davetanivalu has got to, slightly stunned to see the answer is Trin.

    He’s 27 and an army RU player, but National 1 RU (level 3) to Super League seems a bit of a stretch. Still, he’s a good guy so hopefully it works out for him, and I still get to support him!

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  11. 7 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

    Great outcome for Outback serial killers.

    Not so great for Commonwealth citizens looking for bar work in London.

    given the nationwide shortage of hospitality workers, which even before this new not-a-lockdown was leading to many places on reduced opening hours and smaller menus, I'm not sure your second sentence is true.

  12. 19 hours ago, Wire quin said:

    The Army women played the RAF for the first time in 2003-4 ish. Seems strange there isn't a regular inter services given the push for equality in the forces etc.

    I think that's a question of first come first served in ever shrinking forces though. Basically, if you're in the RN/RM, then you will get released for competitive sport if you're an Olympian, pro standard RU, winter sports (skiing, snowboarding, bobsleigh), or boxing - when I say released I mean as in allowed to train professionally. Those, bluntly, are the sports the RN cares about. Otherwise, it comes down to putting together teams from whoever's free in the UK rather than deployed, which means that over time I've seen (and I'm only 40) the standard of services sport drop as the pool of people either good enough, or able to be released to do it, has got smaller.

    The army's a bit better, in that I think they will release pro-standard footballers too. Anyway, the issue is that for people to play sport at a decent standard, that takes training, and training takes you away from your day job. This leads (genuinely, I've seen it) to resentment within your unit because they never see you and don't get anyone else to do your job, which means the tasks are covered by people on top of their own jobs. The days when the services were each running large numbers of essentially pro sports teams, who trained together basically as their day job, are (mostly) gone. One of the big reasons the RN was secretly pleased about the decision to ditch the Royal Tournament back at the end of the 1990s was the sheer scale of the manpower tied up for over four months of the year to do Field Gun, once you included triallists and all the other hangers on.

    The situation is worse for female sport in one way and better in another. The number of women in the services is so small, comparatively, that it can be difficult to commit to regular sporting fixtures. On the other hand, and no laughing at the back here because this is true as well as funny but it could easily have been RL instead of RU, when I was serving 15 years or so ago a female colleague of mine got her first RNRU full cap within a month of picking up a rugby ball for the first time at the age of 23. If you want to play sport, are female, and in the forces the opportunities are massive, if only because you're a minority of a minority.

    My point (sorry, this has got rambly), is that it's probably not a regular thing yet because there's either not the appetite or not the ability to make it so, unfortunately. Hopefully, as time goes on and profile increases, that will change, but there's a queue for that of other sports, including hockey, which used to be a massive inter-services scene and somehow isn't to the same extent - but those involved are keen to put it back - I'd have said they were first in line.

  13. 30 minutes ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

    East is the partially seated, partially standing that is visible to the TV camera, North is the largish terrace behind the sticks, although this is a refurb than actual redevelopment. Western terrace is the exposed shallow terrace runing the full touchline that really needs some attention, but that will have to come down the line if the club can gather enough funding from God knows where to redevelop it.

    I absolutely get why they're doing the north and the east first (because they need to and the east is where the space is for all the stuff that needs to front the main road) - but it is a real pity they're not doing the north and the west first, because the west is the biggest mess and the east looks quite tidy still. Pausing to get their breath back with the east and south as is, and north and west sorted out, would leave a good looking ground in the meantime. 

    Anyway, as I say I do know and appreciate why the east's got to happen first.

  14. 18 hours ago, CornwallRL said:

    No they don't, it's dull and boring on the BBC, they have only had 3 main commentary team since coverage began in 1955, Eddie Waring (Saint), Mumbling Ray French, & Dave Wood. Oh, and Jon Davies because he's a union player.

    On your last sentence (and don’t worry this isn’t an appeal to have John Inverdale presenting) JD is a double edged sword. On the negative side it can look a bit patronising to the already in the bag that there’s a cross code angle. On the positive, in the real world, a large number of people (my wife and some friends included) only give RL a try on TV originally *because* he’s a familiar face/voice they recognise from 6 Nations coverage - sort of ‘if you like that you might like this’

    Now it’s completely coherent to want to argue for RL to break free of that and strike out for its own place, but I do think that in the England that many of us actually live in a credible dual code presenter isn’t a bad thing per se.

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  15. 2 minutes ago, Colin James said:

    The last sport I saw on C4 was cricket last year they had one or two of the tests from India and it was just a feed of Indian TV. Whether that was their intention or it was forced by Covid I don't know but it felt cheap, the dark studio looked rubbish too.

    in fairness, that would have been the first test, where they suddenly had the rights with IIRC about 48hrs notice on a 'take the Indian feed or don't broadcast it basis'. it was because of Covid that they had it in the first place. 

    The subsequent matches where they had more presenters and back office lined up were very different. 

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