The Blues Ox
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I think we should all rate our clubs on the criteria above and then average that out if there is multiple posters from some clubs and then we can pick which teams should be in and which should miss out.
I will start with Fax:-
- Financial stability - 9
- Business plan with details cash flow forecast - 8
- Stadium (both ownership and condition) -7 (one of the best around but marked down on ownership and income restraints)
- Local population -3
- Ladies -10
- Reserve and youth development -6 (Partnership with local college academy)
- Saturation 0 (all local talent from the area is snapped up by Wigan, Leeds and Huddersfield)
Obviously Im totally unbiased.
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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:
Didn't Fev try to buy success Oxy?, I well remember when we hardly had a team to put on the field and Fev were streets ahead with the fanfare of getting Joey, Ryley, Sene and a host of others, yes I was very worried we would not compete, then we outspent Fev.
Anyway as they say "Till the fat Lady Sings" I am not confident that Leigh will win in the final till the ref blows the final whistle and we are in front, as I have said before I think the final should be at a neutral venue, but will be happy if it is at the LSV.
Possibly but they already had a squad in place before a ball was kicked that was expected to be some distance the best team in the league.
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7 minutes ago, Scubby said:
The meetings between Championship/L1 and SL were separate to my knowledge so DB and Hudds are talking about different meetings I think.
I thought as much which basically means that out of all the SL clubs only 1 thought the 2 French teams offered anything commercially to SL. It does beg the question if 1 of the French teams voted against themselves or if they were not there though.
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Anyone mind keeping the thread updated with cliff notes please as its hard to keep track and just seems to be the usual suspects arguing.
From what I can gather so far:-
Steve Mcnamara for whatever reason decided to leak some information that he shouldn't have been either privy to or certainly been told to keep quiet over.
Derek Beaumont comes out and says it was not just Hudderfsfield and it were infact every representitive apart from one at the meeting that said that the 2 French teams bring nothing commercially to SL.
The usual suspects take this to mean that either Huddersfield do not want french teams in SL, or Derek Beaumont has lost the plot and is lying, or there should be 10 french teams in SL, or Championship clubs are the #### of the earth and should be abolished, or Wakefield need some fancy new dugouts, or that Fax fans think there is a conspiracy against them, or a combination of those.
If someone could keep it updated if anything important happens near the top of the page that would be great.
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1 hour ago, JonM said:
On the "funny old game" theme, John Kear, according to Bradford fans on here, was a rubbish coach, should've been sacked before the season started and so on. Yet Widnes have won 5 on the bounce after announcing his appointment.
Who would be a coach? Fax started the season with 1 win from 6 which had a few people asking questions particularly on here and he was probably only a loss against Bradford away from people calling for his head. Instead we win the game with 12 players and Bradford go in to free fall while Fax win 13 of their next 14 games. We have been great value for money this year and its probably why nobody apart from the coach and players have batted an eyelid over yesterdays result. Yeah its disappointing but sometimes a loss is needed to just give players a little nudge.
Regards Fev I do get where some of their fans are coming from in that this was looking like their year and it must be frustrating to see Leigh stroll in and buy success like they have to the point where they are a very distant 2nd fav now but the facts are they are going to get a home semi final to get to the final and then if they get through that its a one off game and you never know.
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Fax using our get out of jail free card with Batley losing as well. Sounds like a very disjointed and poor performance by Fax.
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4 hours ago, Fevrover said:
Come on Oxy i thought better of you , Fax wouldn't have rested them ,you surely play your best players ?
We had some squad players who were going to get some game time against Dewsbury, Workington, and possibly London according to our coach. It didn't happend against Dewsbury as we had a couple of injuries in the build up and then one in the actual warm up. It did happen against Workington though because of the suspensions but I believe the players suspended were not actually the ones who were going to get a rest and it will be the same tomorrow.
Brad Knowles played for Hudds reserves so we can assume he won't play tomorrow. With Grix also named we can assume we are down to our last 15 or 16 players not accounting for DR and we were unable to bring back Aston or Morris from loan due to stupid rules that meant if we did then they couldnt play in the play offs for us but if we recall them after this week they can.
I guess the good thing is we might be pretty fresh going in to the bash but we could always rest some against Bradford
but with Worthington back from suspension and hopefully Gwaze if his ban is regraded and Walmsley back from injury then we look like we could be at full strength going in to the business end.
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8 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:
Can I have a fiver on Scott for MOM ?
Yeah just send it over to me
To be honest I think him and knowles are in just so we can name a full squad. On the plus side these suspensions are giving players chance to rest up that would have been rested anyway just not like this.
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24 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Really! You can't afford to lose this game, not if you want some meaning in the fixture against Fev at the end of the season.
Can probably only afford to lose the Fev game if we want 3rd. Hopefully our form counts for something been 13/14 might carry the lads through.
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Fax sending a depleted squad to London due to injuries and suspension. Scott Grix registered out of retirement and great to see Brad Knowles named in the squad after his horrific injury against Batley in the first game of the season which included a disclocated hip and tearing his hamstring off the bone. That is some recovery but looks like its going to be a tough ask for us in the capital.
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I can't believe Simon Grix has got the audacity to appeal against a ban, I mean has he not read LeeF's posts? He just simply needs to ignore all his experience in the game and watch a few videos on the RFL site because it is pretty clear he does not understand the process especially after coming out and not defending his players recent actions. I can only assume he is suffering from heat stroke or something.
Either way this thread is going to get pretty funny after the appeal.
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2 hours ago, POR said:
I've got to laugh for weeks and weeks if not months all i've heard is we need some big props middles and now we'ave signed a 6'3'' unit some are moaning and groaning
Id wait till you see him play. Bradford fans were excited when they signed him from us but honestly hes probably up there with the worst props ive seen watching Fax. There is a reason that he has had so many clubs with each coach probably thinking he looks the part and they can get some use out of him. The funny thing is when he originally got signed from his amateur club his team mates thought it were a joke and its clearly just a case of him being signed for his build.
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SATURDAY 23rd JULY
Newcastle Thunder v Dewsbury Rams Newcastle by 20SUNDAY 24th JULY
Barrow Raiders v Bradford Bulls Barrow by 10
Batley Bulldogs v Widnes Vikings Batley by 22
Featherstone Rovers v York City Knights Fev by 12
London Broncos v Halifax Panthers Fax by 24
Sheffield Eagles v Workington Town Sheffield by 16
Whitehaven v Leigh Centurions Leigh by 60 -
8 hours ago, Ragingbull said:
I have absolutely no idea what Fev have seen in Fleming. Even with the trouble we are in on the field not one Bulls fan is upset about him going.
Offered absolute nothing in either of his 2 spells with us.
Fev using a big shot by another player to advertise his signing probably sums up the signing to be fair.
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9 hours ago, David Dockhouse Host said:
Just watched the Halifax one, it's quite different.
Barrow player had been pinched in the face several times, was down on his haunches and the Fax player came round used both hands and aggressively lifted him.
So I would say the differences are the player was clearly hurt from being pinched, two hands used, and lifted higher than the Sione example.
Whether that's worth 5 more matches I don't know but not a like for like example.
You may feel they deserve the same anyway, issue with that is lunches can be very different, a little warning jab or a big haymaker. If judged the same Ben Flower wouldn't have for 6 months.
The thing is I have never argued that one size fits all (even though LeeF was too stupid to recognise sarcasm) and each case should be taken seperatly and because of that I totally understand what you are saying but again the rule about lifting players was brought in to try and avoid moving players who may have hidden serious neck or spine injuries. Now maybe I am been stupid here, but in only one of those incidents was there an elevated risk of a serious neck or spine injury. Its the reason why I keep wondering why there is disparity bewteen the 2 incidents even though they are different it does seem to me the one at most risk of serious injury got off the lightest.
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10 hours ago, LeeF said:
I’m not the RFL or any part of the disciplinary process but even you should be able to understand that differently graded incidents result in different lengths of bans and that even incidents which are graded the same can result in different lengths of ban if the offender has “previous”. It really isn’t difficult and if you want to read further on the process there are a number of articles and links on the RFL site along with the previously mentioned videos.
The only people who don’t understand are either doing it deliberately as they are trolls or are too stupid to understand or realise they are wrong and won’t back down. I’ll leave it to you to decide which category you fall into.
PS I look forward to my “laugh” reaction which seems to be your default reactionYou ever thought of becoming an MP? A very nice roundabout way of not answering the question which is pretty much what I expected from you and you didn't disappoint.
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55 minutes ago, LeeF said:
Just about everyone except you & your mate on this thread. Or putting it another way those who haven’t lost it and can see and understand what happened.
Ok so you have watched the videos on the RFL site so you have a great understanding of the process and have no doubt seen both incidents, maybe you could explain the thought process behind the differences in the bans and explain to us the reasons as other than the different grades there is not much in the RFL's explanation that makes it clear.
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14 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:
Desperate times at Fev by the looks of it. More clubs than Tiger Woods is a saying that was made for Dan. He's a really nice lad and has all the physical attributes that make a really good rugby league player but for whatever reason he has not been able to put them to good use whichever club he has been to. Time for another coach to have a go.
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2 hours ago, LeeF said:
The referee took up the correct position but since you clearly are ignorant and don’t want to learn then that’s your own issue
Can you tell me on which part of the referees coaching course they tell you to stand directly in front of a defending player. You can't but since you are clearly an idiot who keeps defending a mistake there probably is no hope for you.
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2 hours ago, David Dockhouse Host said:
Very true social media is full of posts comparing two incidents in an attempt to show inconsistencies and therefore how their own team are victimised.
Same with refs, pundits always favouring the other team, sky loving the opposition etc.
Fact is, as you say no two incidents are the same and comparing different incidents in different games between different people proves very little
I love to hear your opinion David on why there were a 5 match difference in the bans between the Gwaze and Matautia incidents. Ive said a million times, Ive no problem with the player getting a ban and if Gwaze got 3 games I would have said that were fair but out of both incidents there is only the Matautia one where the opposition player had a very real chance of a spine or neck injury which is the main reason the law was brought in to stop people lifting injured players yet that incident carried a lesser ban. There has to be a very clear reason why the Gwaze incident carried an extra 5 games but I am at a loss to what that reason could be.
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1 hour ago, LeeF said:
Any evidence to support this?
Gwaze/Matautia incident for a start. 8 Matches/3 Matches. I think in regards Fax fans its probably bore out of frustration mainly over the Gwaze incident and the the York game, a game which saw no cards shown yet ended up with us picking up 5 bans from it so apparently the ref missed 5 incidents that should have been red cards. I watched the game live and I watched the replay and I can't see an incident that I think should have been a red card. Obviously I am biased but strangely the Premier Sports presenters also missed these incidents and they have no loyalty towards Fax. No I dont buy in to the disciplinary been biased against Halifax for some strange reason I just buy in to the idea that the whole disciplinary process is a shambles.
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Totally agree with that ban. You can't shove a match official like that regardless of them not taking up a good position.
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4 hours ago, LeytherRob said:
I was quite surprised how deep into the season Leigh managed to fly under the radar to be honest
Its funny I looked back at the league predictions at the start of the season. I had Leigh outside the top 4 but in my defense they did only have about 4 players signed up at that time and were struggling to bring UK players in. A little bit of luck and probably a lot of money later and they have put together what is in my opinion the best team we have ever seen in the Championship.
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Who would have thought at the beginning of the season everyone would be clammering to have an away semi final at Fev.
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Golden Point Hypocrisy
in The General Rugby League Forum
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I love it. I can't think of a more exciting way to win or a worse way to lose than golden point and afterall sport at this level is about winning games.