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Everything posted by HomeOfTheTubularBandage

  1. Oldham fans... so used to underfunding and low ambition that they now think that funding and ambition are 'cheating' or 'fast tracking'. Halifax aren't an expansion team, they don't receive preferential scheduling and aren't backed by a billionaire. They've been an established Champiinship side for a good while now and they have been averagjng attendances of 1000 and are in the middle 8s... which will mean great gates and extra tv cash. Halifax, Featherstone, Dewsbury and Batley have all managed regular finishes in the top half of the championship over recent years, even with clubs like Bradford, London and expansion teams in the division. There is no reason at all why an Oldham club could/should not match that status.
  2. Little no it all The lack of integration and engagement with the local amateur scene and the lack of continuous financial investment were the reasons that the involvement of RO was essential. Their links to and within the local amateur and youth rugby landscape are vital in rebuilding a true RL community. Their constitution allows for ownership of the club by their Trust and they already have a governance structure that could be adapted to running the club. They made it clear they are open to new mass membership by ORLFC supporters...and that all new nembers could run for election to the governing board of the Trust. Their position may have changed but I doubt it. I believe fan ownership is the best future model for clubs like Oldham. I believe RO is the quickest, most inclusive and most financially sustainable model for a move to fan ownership.
  3. Over three years ago when the club was in a similar position, we entered into discussions with the club about the possibility of at least a partially supporter owned club. Using the proper channel of the sanctioned supporters trust and with an ambition to retain CHs involvement at board level. We never got the chance to fully flesh out our plans, which I believe included fans on the board of the club, an immediate injection of cash for improved supporter facilities at Whitebank - which could have amounted to around £30,000 - and an annual membership funding scheme which would support the appointment of a full time Commercial and Engagement Manager and cover other running costs. We were successful in getting RO and CH around the same table and initially getting 1) RO to declare a formal interest in being involved in partial ownership/running of the club AND 2) CH stating he was open to any level of fan ownership if the conditions were right. Those discussions were stopped abruptly by club. Both I and RO made several attempts to contact the club following a cancelled meeting, with no response. While I was hugely frustrated for a time at the response of the club and a section of its fans, I hold no grudges. I am saddened to see the club back in this predicament and I wish CH a full and speedy revovery. However, I firmly believe that had we continued our process, we would have reached proposals in which the club would have seen the mutual benefit. The transition to a new business model would have been completed two years ago and the club would be in a far stronger position today - on and off the pitch.
  4. Oldhamers haven't fallen out of love with Rugby League. Oldhamers have fallen out of love with ORLFC 1997.... they are two very different things. I watch my local amateur side. I go to my nearest SL team and I go to England games. As well as watching SL and NRL on the telly. I DO love rugby league. I don't love ORLFC 1997. Yes RL is in trouble everywhere, but that doesnt mean that Oldham don't have particular problems. They do have specific issues that keep people away. If you stick your head in the sand and ignore these particular issues and blame just the RFL, that will be a mistake. You can't begin to solve a problem until you acknowledge the problem exists.
  5. Oh dear. Are we back here? Thought promotion solved all the problems? No? Well I for one never saw this coming. I'm astonished. I thought there were no underlying issues. ??
  6. Err not giving the club the money until a contract is signed and a new board formed? A board on which he is only one member. A club capital bank account requiring multiple board signatories? A constitution that states one board member can't wind up the club? An agreement whereby he writes off some of the debt and there is a re-payment agreement over many years flr the remainder (still much better than any chance he currently has of getting his money back)?
  7. What do you mean he can do without the talking shop? That's it, he wants a bag of cash without sharing ownership and without his own performance being scrutinised. Doesn't happen. Wont happen. If you want cash then you have to give something of value in return.
  8. If he has decided he genuinely doesn't want to sell at any price then there's nothing to be done.... but you won't know if that's the case until you ask. Yes I have seen the accounts. They are just numbers on a page. Money owed mostly to him. Numbers he knows he has no chance of recouping. He can write some of it off and indicated to us that he may be willing to do so. It's negative equity. The buyer doesn't pay it. The value of the club, which can be independently asessed as part of due diligence, is all that matters. The powers that be would be much more likely to accept a transitional arrangement. The Trust I propose would only buy into the club on the basis of shared ownership and shared decision making through a new joint board. You dont know if this is something he is open to until you ask. Three years ago, before talks fell through, he said in principle he was open to any type of deal. Ask again. Can't hurt.
  9. He would listen to any offer that brought significant extra income. I have laid out plans how it could be done in reasonable detail. Don't assume the owner would dismiss an offer of 100k for half the club. There is currently ZERO PROSPECT of him ever getting any of the money he is owed beyond his salary. If he were offered a wad of cash plus a transitional period where he continued to earn a salary and retained a seat on the board..... I'd be interested to hear his response. But until you all form/join the Trust and put your money in (with relevant Ts & Cs of course) you'll never know. Ironic that your name is neversaydie but you've given up and you're not even willing to try.
  10. So....win a ticket. ONE? Give away one ticket, and the winner will have to either attend a gala dinner alone or fork out £54 for a second ticket. How dumb do they think we are? Anonymous donor? Not a desperate bloke with an empty venue then? This genuinely isn't aimed at Dave or others who give their time and expertise for next to nothing to support the club. And if these tickets have been donated by a supporter or sponsor then fair play. But if the club is offering single tickets as a prize, it's a bit crass and dumb. You'd get a lot more entries and social media impressions/reach for pairs of tickets than for ten singles. That can drive other interest and awareness - reaching those that may be willing to purchase.
  11. The way it's written online reads that EVERYONE who successfully identifies the player will win a ticket. Is that the case? If not, and there is only ONE ticket available to win - for which there will be a random draw from all correct entries - then the method, terms and conditions need to be made clear. Otherwise, legally, everyone who gets it right can claim a free ticket. Is there just one ticket to be won?
  12. Careful saying things like 'we could finish anywhere between first and seventh'.
  13. Yeah but they've obviously changed their minds since they paid. The coverage is apalling spud. There's not enough of it and they haven't even sent the presenters over. Shockingly bad.
  14. Great opener this morning. We've got a chance I reckon. They have no Thurston and an internationally inexperienced front row. We are a BIG team with some great mobility. Widdop has been awesome down there this year. As have Whitehead and T Burgess. Last year the Aussies were saying Hodgson was one of the best players in the World. Jammer and Sam are always class. We've got a man of steel and a prop who made 4200 metres this year. Our wingers are hench as and score a try a game at international level. If we can stop Smith from dummy half, limit Cronk's time on last tackle and cut down individual errors I reckon we'll beat em. It should be tight but we're as good as them. Graham snd Morgan have to be watched though, big men playmaking always worry me.
  15. 'Roughyeds' is a barrier to attracting new fans. It means something only to existing fans. It's a backward looking, made up word with no resonance for young people, businesses or non RL fans in Oldham. Shout it on the terraces but don't name the social media accounts with it and use it for marketing. First rule of marketing - if you have to explain it...it's sh#t. If you don't think the club needs rebranding then you don't know what branding is. It's not about a badge. It's about everything you say and do and everything others say about you. It's creating and communicating a personality/approach and the opportunities for engagement and income associated with it. Much wider than single visual identifier. You can't market a bad brand, which is what ORLFC currently are. If I did a brand personality assessment of the club I know I'd get results that said: tired, old fashioned, unreliable, poor, irrelevant, small, distant, insular, desperate, aggressive, unstable, dependent, slow, insecure. THAT IS THE CURRENT BRAND! Of the club and of some of its fans. Still wondering why young people and modern businesses don't want to associate themselves with it? But a new brand with a vibrant, relevant, relatable and easily shared visual identity..... You may be proud of Oldham but young people are not and they have no affinity for town crests. They want influence and instant comms. They want cultural icons and pursuits that reflect their experience. It is proven that families and new fans ARE attracted by relatable characters (istics) and associated merchandise (which also raises money). Who's gonna buy a cuddly town crest or giant town crest car sticker? You are self contradictory. You want the club marketed but want to change nothing to do that - not give anyone the tools to do it. Sport is competitive on the field and off. But 'Roughyeds' can't compete on the field or off. Cos with the 1950s name, 1970s branding/visuals and business approach.... and with fans resistant to change , the club is hamstrung. Brought a knife to a gunfight. The most dangerous words in the world...... 'We've always done it this way.' Or, 'We don't need to change'. Evolve or die. Carry on and when the current fans have had enough or die, so will the club. Also...the irony of such indignance about the town crest when half the current club's life has spent out of town.
  16. Glorious up there. There was a kite boarder there last time I walked up. Flying about the place on a wheely plank. Loads of them paraglidists near March Haig and off Pule Hill an all.
  17. Yeah, its a nice crest that. Looks traditional without being too old fashioned. We don't have many dreaming spires. Lol. But there's the civic centre tower and the parish church, couple of mill chimneys and the tiwn hall. A big hill in the background. Posts in the middle. On a Shield. Red and white. Visually a bit busy, but nice. You gonna knock one up Dave?
  18. We can have a bird of prey that isn't an owl if we dont want to echo Latics. In the borough we have Kestrels, Peregrines, Buzzards and Sparrowhawks as well as the owl with which the town has long been associated. Hunslet seem to gave dropped Hawks. So there's currently only Sheffield who have a raptor of any kind. We could go with Falcons or Raptors. Or just stick with Oldham but use a stylised town skyline with the hills behind it (perhaps with a set of posts in the hills)
  19. Plus Bennett had him at the Broncos and he was rarely picked and dominated when he did play. I'm not Bennett's biggest fan but he knows Eden flatters to deceive.
  20. Eden's not good enough. I think he's a bang average speedster. I'd have scored 30 of his tries this year. Got owned every time he played in the NRL. Who would you drop for him? Hall - who scores a try a game at international level and has just won a GF and is far far better defensively and coming out if trouble. Currie, I understand that selection. I get why folk are annoyed but he can be a game breaker. Brown is a strange choice though.
  21. Its annoying. We're good enough to beat em, we almost always get within six points of NZ and AUS these days, but we always seems to make an individual error they can exploit. I'll be watching.
  22. I always fancied Raptors. The owl of course, plus there are peregrines (maybe Falcons is an alternative) at Dovestone, as well as kestrel and buzzard in the borough.
  23. I think the naming convention does limit marketing, sponsorship and new (young) fan recruitment.
  24. As it stands, the logo should just be a visual (shorthand) representation of the brand. But the club doesn't have a brand. That's not to undermine the great work you do, but have you ever been given material to work from by the club? A brand personality assessment? A supporter brand survey? A vision? A set of business objectives? A set of values? A brand book or identity manual? Design parameters of any kind?
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