dealwithit
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Pretty harsh commentary re Claire Butters in my opinion. She’s currently the COO, not the CFO, has been there for 3 months and comes to Salford with experience at Sale Sharks, Brooks Running and Asics in sales/marketing roles. The fact that her LinkedIn post and photoshoot has got a few tongues wagging on here probably shows she knows what she’s doing.
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Even without investment, they just need to offload a half dozen players and then try and loan a few replacements or give a few kids a top squad position. They’ll be fine if they just live within their means. Obviously the stadium deal and billboard are important parts of their revenue projections. London operated off half the cap and managed. Salford will have far more luck loaning players than london.
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It’s a great signal to the fans, those who have already bought memberships, those considering a season ticket. It’s also a great signal to anyone considering taking a shareholding or sponsoring the team.
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People have choice. Don’t work there. Or don’t drink their product.
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16 hours ago, JonM said:
I don't see that written in the article, but maybe I missed it? I would be surprised if Villefranche think they've missed targets - top half of the table must've been beyond anyone's expectations.
What's maybe not apparent from the article is that both clubs are the only ones in their respective departements, Aveyron & Ariège. From time to time there has been a second amateur team associated with them, but I don't think that's the case currently. So for Villefranche, it's about an hour to their nearest fixture (Albi, or Cahors in the past), whichever league they play in. And if they fold, that's basically the whole area lost to the sport - and unfortunately that is what has been happening elsewhere over the last couple of decades. Villefranche run teams from under-5 up to under-17, plus a wheelchair team. Quite a different model to the UK.
Yeah it was more around off field targets I think. In terms of what they need to do before the year is out. I presume they require more sponsors.
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Great read. They both speak of not meeting their targets. I would have appreciated more insight into what these targets are.
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7 hours ago, Londonbornirishbred said:
Denver spend more on their cheerleaders uniforms than the London outfit have in ticketed income....why would an NFL giant in London want to be associated with a basket case of a club in a niche sport?
As for the "good news" hinted at by Mr Saddler, I have seen enough false dawns and witnessed more than enough wrong turns to be anything other than nonchalantly apathetic.
You’re tiring.
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Denver Broncos confirmed for 2025 NFL London match. Opportunity for cross-code collaboration.
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They’ve sold more season tickets than ever, apparently. That’s good news. No shortage of trialists. If Eccles is happy to work for free in return for being a shareholder, then there’s no reason why they won’t finish the season. It just might be at Rosslyn Park.
Also the preseason event was held at a Brewdog pub. Could they be renewing their sponsorship?-
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7 hours ago, Ivarr the Boneless said:
Dons Trust told their members the rent would be between £200,000 and £500,000 per annum.
Broncos also psi to upgrade the floodlights when promoted to SL, that may or may not be included in the top end figure.
https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-Broncos-Information-QA.pdf
“rental fees as well as additional commission on matchday income such as tickets and beverages.”
Up to £500k if broncos are in super league — clearly pegged to attendances.
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21 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:
To sum up, there appears to be no " White Knight" on the horizon to subsidise the club.
You cannot blame the RFL or IMG as with the IMG ranking of 14th if you wre going to invest in the club then this is the time, but given the added extras involved in subsidising London Broncos there are no takers.
With Rosslyn Park used for training, women's games and matches where their is a clash with AFC Wimbledon's season, not to mention Ebbsfleet United,s fee for the use of their ground for two games.
So you have circa £ 200,000 per annum to AFC Wimbledon, and an undisclosed sum paid to Rosslyn Park RFC and Ebbsfleet United FC that' s before you deal with team travel and accommodation costs.
In addition, London are not a dual registration club, so for example with Widnes being Warringtons dual registration partner, a bitter pill for Chemics to swallow, the prospect exists of Oli Leyland returning to Plough Lane to play for Widnes next year.
London are at a disadvantage to all dual registration Championship clubs.
We have all been told London needed circa £ 300,000 to start the season and a further £900,000 later on to finish it. Now when I last looked just before it closed, the crowdfunder raised circa £ 10,000 from 91 souls and I tip the metaphorical hat to all that contributed.
Season ticket sales are probably not going that well, and their are two clothing brands on offer, one in Paladin sports from Aussie ex-Broncos and St Virgo owned and operated by another club employee.
So it's no wonder that there are on the face of it so few public first XII announcements with the squad to be bolstered by academy players apparently.
And it is legitimate to ask the question here as to the leap of faith the game has taken by allowing London to start the season in the championship for with the costs and known revenue streams available its a moot point as to not just whether the club will be competitive but also whether it will actually be in a position to finish the championship season.
Plough Lane is not £200k. That’s the figure AFC Wimbledon have forecasted as the top end of potential revenue from the deal, including food, drink and other vendors.
Broncos would stand to earn the highest RFL grant in the Championship. Maybe £150k. With sponsors, season tickets, merchandise, go fund me, they might be at £200k. If they don’t get investment, then I doubt they’ll run as a £900k operation.
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On 26/11/2024 at 08:37, glossop saint said:
Is there any other system other than English, French, Aus or Kiwi?
Does any other country actually produce an elite SL or NRL player other than the odd anomaly?
If we manage to get an international team of note from outside those 4 nations they will still majority have come through the systems of those 4 countries. I enjoy the heritage teams and they add a bit of flavour and variety but until we, as a sport, get another country with a 'system' then we won't progress.
Arguably Fiji, although not all born and raised Fijians come through the domestic structure. The Silktails is helping though.
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1 hour ago, marklaspalmas said:
What do you assume happens to the 7th, 8th and 9th placed Championship sides, once the league season is finished?
They could play the French Elite 1 teams (Super XIII now, innit?) in a pre/post season challenge
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9 hours ago, Damien said:
Weird to say it's simplistic then say you agree.
How would it have really struggled being a year earlier either? The organisers would have saved a fortune and from memory additional government support was in place. The costs of this delay was well spoken about by organisers at the time. As was the fact that the costs didnt stack up, that is why they pushed so hard against any delay. Despite all that it still delivered a decent return to the IRL.
I don't think anyone plans a major event expecting a once in a lifetime scenario, that closed down the world like nothing else in my lifetime, either. You can throw a lot of things at organisers but certainly not that. It's certainly fair, and a necessity, to expect organisers to book hotels, stadiums, flights, do marketing etc expecting the tournament to take place in 2021.
Damien, please ignore my feedback if you so choose to. But from my perspective, you seem to be growing increasingly combative on this forum.
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2 hours ago, Griff said:
You're blaming the World Cup for that?
Because funds have been savagely cut here in the UK too.
The WC is the money maker to pay the annual grants to each country and to fund several development manager roles. The role in Serbia overseeing central europe was just cut.
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11 hours ago, Damien said:
Based on what? If players don't want to play internationals they won't, others will.
The RLPA pushing for the same or more pay for doing less and better conditions shouldn't be a shock. It's what unions do.
With or without the RLPA, the players have been very much unified in their views on the season length — both in England and Australia. If the games need to make money, you need high quality contests, and therefore your best players. Unfortunately you won’t get them if they’re playing 30+ club games followed by representative tournaments.
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22 hours ago, Dave T said:
But that isn't true. It is a flawed starting position that means that every decision that comes off the back of it is flawed.
The players seem to think so.
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12 hours ago, Dave T said:
I'm happy to agree to disagree on the principle of the thing, because that's where we disagree here, I agree with some of your points on certain incidents and disagree with others, but I fundamentally disagree with your underlying point that ultimately they can justify whatever they do as they are just protecting their club comp.
That isn't how things generally work. It's a really insular mentality. And your last point really does actually highlight why the NRL shouldn't be controlling the international game, because as you say, their remit is to put their club comp first above all else.
This is why sports have a model of a World governing body. And you may feel sabotage is over the top, but there is plenty of evidence of them undermining the IRL, tournaments, series, events - and I don't think that's for sh**s and giggles, it's so they can wrestle control and only do exactly what they want and everyone has to fall in line.
And that is an outcome of the mentality you describe. NRL club game at all costs, whilst ticking the international box. 3 Kangaroos games a year, no more years of up to 7 or 8. That's not what the NRL clubs want.
I don’t think it’s the club game at all costs. It’s been about having something financially valuable that can substitute for club games. The NRL are stuck with the current club funding agreement, based largely on the tv deal. If you want more internationals, the club season needs to be reduced. They can only do that if they have a substitute that commands tv dollars so the central pot doesn’t diminish. The NRL needs control of the content to retain the profits.
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Thanks for derailing the thread…
A few points that haven’t been picked up on:
1) IRL was on the brink of insolvency thanks to covid. Slowly coming back.
2) IRL has worked with Tonga and Samoa to help create new governing bodies3) IRL board last week spent most of the time talking promoting and marketing of matches. Good to hear
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Listen here to hear directly from the IRL chairman. Interesting to hear him talk about a framework for the northern hemisphere, particularly England, France, Wales and Ireland.
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France favourites for world series? Look better on paper than Cook Islands.
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Can’t imagine this is a squad requiring £900k. Back room staff has also been slashed.
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Alex Walker has resigned
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Challenge Cup 2025
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