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29 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
When we have 92 teams capable of being in Super League we can have that, currently we don't. London going up replacing Wakefield despite being so bad is all the vindication the new system needs.
The specific number of 92 teams irrelevant in this case obviously. Can't agree with the broader point with all due respect. Get promoted against the odds in a scrappy win and then fight for your life in the new higher tier, that's proper sport to me. Get promoted and know that you are damned from the outset due to a spreadsheet? What a massive turn off
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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:
Its not even 40 years since they got rid of election to the Football League. They are rich enough across the board to have more clubs in their acceptable minimum standards.
I agree with you on those points. They still had something to play for though for most of the season for nearly every team across the 92 teams, other than the bottom few in the old fourth division. There will always be dead rubbers, but far many more when you take away the threat of relegation on the field of play. There will also always be a decrease in motivation (eg why would London bother spending money to compete), interest (why should I go to watch my team try and win the league when even if we win it I already know we will just be stuck there next season) which in my opinion eats down at a sport from the top, isolating fans
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7 hours ago, Tommygilf said:
Association football ran an elected league system for decades till it grew so financially and numerically massive it could afford standards based P/R across 11 tiers of ever increasing numbers. It doesn't have its equivalents of Hunslet or Swinton anywhere near its equivalents of Southampton or Hull City.
Cricket has quite literally a major counties only league. The second division being introduced to split the number of red ball matches being played by those special 18 counties who otherwise all compete on the same level.
Union only went pro and had "proper" leagues in the relatively recent past. Even then, in England it is heading to a closed top/top 2 tiers - In Wales, Scotland and Ireland it already is like that.
Rugby League is the prime example of a competition set up specifically for one type of club, "professionals"! We've never had a "pyramid" because we've always had a clear distinction between the amateur and "professional" clubs. For the past 25 years, if not the past 35 years, the sport has grappled with whether there should be a distinction between the fully professional and semi professional levels too.
Been one hell of a long time since football didn't have promotion and relegation between the top four tiers. Now, of course, autumatic p and r goes much deeper than the fourth tier. I still though appreciate the point about RL with the drop off below TBF
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12 hours ago, kiggy said:
At least French RL are trying
I wish them the best of luck
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Oh dear French RL and international RL in general...
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On 01/03/2024 at 18:45, Worzel said:
Indeed. It's just like life in business: Great people want to work with other great people, even if it means they have to up their own game to do so, and good clubs also want to play against other good clubs.
Only the weak or poor performers ever have any interest in lowest-common-denominator decisions, to distract from their own self-inflicted failings. That's been the British rugby league disease for decades.
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1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:
SKY is No 1 coverage is many great global markets BBC is tosh dead as the dodo get over it
If the exact same sporting event is shown on BBC and Sky at the same time the BBC viewing figures are higher. Get over it.
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2 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:
Totally disagree
I'll cheer the decline of kick and clap until I die or it does
And league attendances were up last season by the way
It might be in decline in terms of domestic attendances in England, but internationally the tournament smashed viewing figures again and is becoming significantly more popular overall worldwide. RL needs to take note and act to improve interest in its international game, a lot.
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Can't understand the digging remarks here tbh (unless I'm much mistaken). All sports need to be played for the sake of the players, and made available for eyeballs to watch them to keep/promote interest. Otherwise they die. Let's stop the knocking and all be grateful for every single game of RL played anywhere, in whatever country, whatever area of said country. Festive greetings to all
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6 minutes ago, Phil W said:
Just confirmed by The RFL, we've been accepted for 2024, great news!
Good work, well done
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8 hours ago, AB90 said:
It’s a very English thing caring about the where the ref is from
Yep, Argentina would love to play Brazil at football with a Brazilian ref, they'd have no problem at all.....
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9 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:
“Looking forward to today’s game. I’m not much of a RL supporter, but this event sounded good so I decided to come along with a couple of my friends. The two teams look well matched and I hear the centre of the visiting team is one to keep my eye on. By the way, do you know if the referee comes from a neutral country or not?”
That conversation surely doesn’t happen.
That conversation doesn't happen because the person talking would assume the ref is from a neutral country
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Deep holes in the ground with water at the bottom make me feel sick. I am not a well man.
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Any idea on any attendance figures?
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5 hours ago, sam4731 said:
I think if Covid hadn't have happened, Toronto would still be going purely because of Eric Perez's determination, so on that basis, they will grit their teeth and dig in.
I agree to an extent, though I don't think that it would require massive determination for Toronto at that point as they would have been a success for themselves and SL because they were already touching 10,000 crowds in the championship. By now, they would likely have moved to an increased capacity stadium in SL and good chance been getting the best crowds in the league, if covid hadn't intervened. The knock-on effect in terms of interest would have been great for the sport and Super League and potentially have helped boost televison income. However, though Cornwall's efforts and crowd levels are very impressive for what they are, and I truly respect that, it's brilliant, the population of the entire county is far smaller than Toronto, so the potential for crowds is far lower. To get the crowds they have been getting in such a spread out, low population area, with an awkward-to-get-to stadium has been amazing, but has massive limiting factors. Sadly, I can't seem them sticking around for long under the circumstances presented by League one with its funding and travel costs. I, for one, couldn't understand why Perez went from the ambition of choosing a massive place like Toronto to choosing a club in a location which has such said limiting factors on potential crowds. If he were to go for expansion in the UK, i would have thought he might have chosen somewhere less remote with a greater population nearby and therefore greater potential such as e.g. Bristol. That's my two pennies-worth.
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13 hours ago, Gomersall said:
It’s strange IMO that a club that has been involved in two tragic incidents of fans being crushed should try and cram as many people as possible into a stand. Money again.
I really respect your work Gomersall with all your posts about the developing nations, but, with all due respect, as a fan of Liverpool FC who has been to Anfield a number of times I've never felt like I would be crushed there. As I say, total respect to you as a poster who goes the extra mile to highlight the positives that no one else seems to at e.g. reporting on the Netherlands
I love reading abouting that stuff..............
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On 01/11/2023 at 22:27, Northern Eel said:
England at a canter, possibly by 60.
No chance!
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Let's see how this pans out in the next 10 years
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I don't agree with the argument that some make that SL should not have more teams because they would be weaker than the teams that are already in the league. All leagues in all sports have stronger and weaker teams - e.g. Fulham, Sheffield United, Burnley etc were never expected to challenge for the Premier League in football this season, and yet these teams get big crowds and pretty much no one suggests that the Premier league should be reduce from 20 teams. The very act of having these teams in the top league creates interest at these clubs and increases attendances and interest for their fans, investors, and players. Also, the big teams would enjoy having more variety in the places that they visit as opposed to boring loop fixtures. This, along with the three up three down PR system increases interest across the board. The people running RL and many of the fans just don't seem to get it.
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10 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
You’re kind of proving my point, those with grievances will be in the minority.
OK so those who are in the majority are contributing far less on this thread and particularly with their voting on the BBC thread then. In fact, they are strongly outnumbered in their contributions.
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10 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
That’s because those with grievences shout the loudest.
That's one way of looking at it.
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14 minutes ago, HawkMan said:
Interesting comments on BBC Sport website RL HYS thread. Fans asking for action similar to soccer fans stopping ESL, protesting, some actual direct action, demos outside grounds, sit- ins etc. Peaceful obviously, but if the footy powers bowed to pressure no reason the jellyfish at RFL shouldn't too.
Yep, nearly every fan voting on posts regarding this on the BBC is against what's been announced today and rightfully so. Check out the comments section at the bottom of the link.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/67215216
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Fair play to Netherlands, they are showing the way forward with a "can do" attitude and playing game after game at international level.
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I seem to remember reading, and I'm totally prepared to be corrected on this because I'm questioning myself, that the 'A' grading teams would be protected from relegation from SL but that other teams wouldn't. On this basis, I conclude that if London finish second bottom and another 'B' team below them then London would avoid relegation. But according to what people are saying here, there's no point in them trying because they are ranked 24th and lowest of the SL teams and therefore would go down whaterver. Only one of these scenarios can be true - can anybody pitch in with some clarification?
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Rugby League in France
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Does anyone here have data on whether the figure has been going up or down recently, and to what extent?