crashmon
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On 30/11/2024 at 10:00, THE RED ROOSTER said:
a) Repriese the 2012 season andv end up facing Championship one, with crowds dropping to sub-1,000 (935v average in 2022) which in tun will;
I'd take the 2012 season.
The 2015 Season is the one I fear will hapen again. Still shudder from some of those games,. Hunslet anyone-
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13 hours ago, Archie Gordon said:
But this isn't about the game itself, it's about the sense of belonging. As someone living in the South, is RL my game? Do I feel wanted or valued by the sport?
Not really.
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Three gold member season ticket holders for 20 years at London, are now 3 regulars at Guildford Flames Ice Hockey (actually 4 as my american wife comes to the hockey). I don't see us going back to RL now, we have found our sunday sporting fix.
And I cannot remember the last SL game I watched on sky. I think it was England v Tonga third test was the last game I watched on TV-
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He could have made the announcment at the start of the season. As for a while it looked like Hull would finish bottom, and by now we might have investors. Although tbh I doubt it
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Everyday that goes past just shows more and more the stupidty of playing all of thse games in the same places year on year.
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seriously just play Aus at LSV, Odsal and at York. Oh wait York is more than 20 miles from M62, LSV, Odsal and Doncaster
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Sorry catching up on this thread.
Wigan RL capacity is about 25K correct? So we cannot even sell out a 25K stadium in the "Heartlands", and are reduced to free tickets?
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6 hours ago, creditwhereitsdews said:
Just bought a membership though I doubt I'll be able to get to more than two or three games as I'll be too busy watching my first team. Fond memories of watching the Broncos when I was living in London and even remember watching them as Fulham so thought it was time to give something back. Hope they can make a go of it and that people get behind them. RL will be in a very sorry state without them.
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very unlikely I will go to any games next year, (if there are any games), but might buy a membership just to donate the money to the club. I've spent money on more stupid things in my life.
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4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:
So Sylvain Houles believes that irrespective of IMG's gradings his club should be elevated to Super League because they have great potential, thoughts please.
I'd argue they would be better the Hull FC was based on last year
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5 hours ago, gingerjon said:
It was too expensive - and London, owing to their unique take on managing things, ended up renting three grounds that year.
The issue, and why I think it killed off the last remnants of goodwill in most of the long term fan base, was always that every equivalent move had failed and there was no reason to believe that setting ablaze all the foundational work at Ealing would be worth what would happen at Wimbledon.
And so it turned out.
I remember having words with a certain "Man of Kent" that moving from Ealing to Wimbledon and going PT at the same time was insanity beyond madness. And was told I was a doommonger (amongst other things).
Not seem Him for a couple of years, maybe he has a couple of Million in Dons shares he could sell and fund the broncos-
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Now if Russell Crowe decided to donate 200K to help save the London broncos I would imagine that would get column inches in the Daily Mail (and god forbid maybe even the Times and Torygraph).
But probably more chance of Elvis popping up out of the grave / alongisde Jim Morrison and Jimmy Hoffa and all combining to buy out the Las Vegas NFL franchise -
4 hours ago, Cheadle Leyther said:
Last night at the Salford Community Stadium, Sale beat Newcastle 43-10!in the euphemistically named ‘derby’ round .
An half empty stadium watched a desultory match, with the away team having lost it’s 25th game in succession. Yet the Daily Mail managed to devote a 5 small column match report on this uninspiring walkover.
Yet only 2 weeks prior, on the same ground an almost full house of nearly 11,000 saw an intense play off game between Salford and Leigh. Yet in the Daily Mail, not a mention, even though there were almost full page reports in the Sun, Star and Mirror. I also presume the same problem occurs with the Express, Times and Telegraph.
It just shows what we are up against while trying to get publicity from the London based media.
Fully agree with you but
like it or loath it, if you want attention an a national level, you need a presence in London. So until RL realises this, you not going to change anything.
this is not defending the DM. I would not use that paper for fuel on a bonfire if I was freezing, as I would not want to smell the stench it would release as it burned as its that full of s****
this is also not wanting the broncos to have special treatment either.
Is a simple fact. The only way you change this is with having a presence and having RL things happening in London-
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Also are the playing at Wimbledon next year? I was not sure if that was still the plan, assuming by some miracle they have enough players to actually put out a side. There is no Skolars side they can gut this time
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Also I don't see how you solve this either. Even though I think the superleague as an organisation is a Joke, the top 5 or 6 clubs in superleague can match the Aussie club teams IMHO. On the field the gap is not that big (if you exclude Hull FC), off the field its the size of the Pacific
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The bottom line is that for the NRL, the pinnacle of the club game is winning the grand final. Thats it.
For the SuperLeague the WCC is seen as the pinnacle game, as thne your world championsFor the NRL is just a pre-season warm up game.
Sums up how the NRL and the Aussies see SL.
Yes we might beat them every year, but that does not change the perception that the NRL has of the NH and superleague in general. And you need to change that perception somehow if you want Penrith et al to treat the WCC seriously-
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11 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:
To expand on what you've rightly said, I just don't see the point in British and Australian rugby league not working together. Why would you want NRL clubs to come here, play each other, and basically ignore British RL? That makes no sense to me.
Rugby league already struggles to attract fans, without risking alienating people and creating unnecessary conflict and rivalry between SL and the NRL. They should be helping each other, because that then strengthens the sport as a whole.
If NRL clubs are going to come here, I want to see them playing our teams. Likewise if our teams go to Australia.
Put together some sort of mini-competition if you like - 4 teams from each country or whatever. But do things in partnership.
I fully agree with you in principle but
When the Wendyball teams like United, City, Real Madrid etc go and tour in singapore \ china etc, how many local teams to they play. What do they do to boost the local clubs and get people to go and watch local teams.
I was at a cricket game in South Afroca a few years ago (SA vs England), I was chatting to a bunch of SA fans who where huge fans of the Premier League, kept in touch with everything happening etc. When I asked them which local team they supported (eg sundowns, Pirates etc), just a blank look Why would they ever want to go see a local team.
Again, it all comes down to what is the purpose of the NRL here. What is the end goal of the NRL. If its to grow interest in the NRL and NRL teams, why would they link themselves to a league which is tiny when you look at it from a commercial standpoint. A league which cannot even afford to have the national team play in the capital. Commerically why would you ever want to link yourselves to that?
Are the NRL looking to grow interest in the NRL, or in Rugby League. As those two things are not the same-
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2 hours ago, Archie Gordon said:
The trouble with this is that it ignores the direction of travel: that shows a near complete retreat from London hosting test matches, the end of OTR games, French clubs paying a bond to enter the CC, Catalan having travel costs imposed on them, WotR suggested as the mid-season rep game, Goole Vikings joining L1, and so on.
I'm not sure that those of us pointing this out are attacking Northern RL fans. It's more a disillusionment with the game seeming to want to exclude anyone too far away from the M62 when - as you make clear - it wasn't always this way.
This 100% Having moved down saaarth in 2000, its astonishing to see how much UK RL has retreated to a small enclave in the M62, while in the same period the NRL in Aus has grown from strength to strength.
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2 hours ago, Dave T said:
Indeed. It's nonsense to continue the attacks against Northern RL fans.
SL has admitted teams into the league from Paris, Gateshead, London, Toronto, Perpignan, Bridgend - it has staged games in Cardiff, Swansea, Barcelona, Edinburgh, Leicester, Wollongong, is going to Vegas and so on. When has Leicester Tigers ever brought a game to Wigan?
Club union is also on its ######.
Its also irrelvant. Its a bit like the whole levelling up agenda by the buffoon. When he told northerns that they would have parity with the South, they assumed it meant that they would get more money, more facilites etc. What they did not realise was what he actually meant was he would lower the south to the same state as the north.
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2 hours ago, Click said:
Wigan literally played Catalans a few years ago at Millwall, I recall it as I was there.
Yes so was I.
What was the follow up? When will the next game be. If I'm just going to get 1 game every 10 years, I might as well wait for the next World cup when we might get a ENgland Semi final -
7 minutes ago, sam4731 said:
SL teams could win the next 100 WCC but the Australian mentality will always be the same:
NRL team wins- obviously we won we're the best.
SL team wins- it's just a glorified trial game, we're still the best.
TBF thats exactly how the European soccer teams treat the club world cup vs South American teams
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9 minutes ago, Click said:
SL has had numerous on the road games over the years.
Where was the outrage when Hull and Wigan played a game in Australia?
Now having a few SL games on the Road in London I actually think would be a good idea. Lots of northerners who have moved down saarth like me over the years would probably go if it was costed correctly seeing we don't get any form of RL down here any more, other than at the community level.
Of course this being outside of the M62 means the Superleague would never agree to it. But again if you did this correct and marketed corrrectly there is no reason it would not be a success.
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To those banging the SOO bandwagon, it depends on what the goal would be in for the NRL playing this in London.
One of the big problems with RL in the south, is that it happens so rarely. Like I had folks interested after the WC semi in wanting to see more England games, but ofc now they are lost for good owing to the UK RL deciding that they want to be Roses RL and not UK RL.
You only have 3 SOO games a year. Then its over for 12 months? Its a poor mans international (for those who are not die in the wool Aussie RL fans from those 2 states). People here would see it like an England probables vs England Possibles.
You would need to have more states, and more than 3 games a year if you wanted this to be getting UK people watching the NRL.
I could be wrong, I'm not an Aussie so I could be missing the point here.-
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11 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:
I wouldn't be interested in watching two NRL teams in London, because it's not a competition I have any interest in or affinity with. But I would watch matches between NRL and SL clubs, providing that they proved to be regularly competitive and not completely one sided.
The difference between the NRL and NFL playing in London, is that we already have our own top level rugby league competition, whereas that's clearly not the case when it comes to American football.
So while I'm very interested in watching two NFL teams play in London (e.g. today), I don't have the same interest towards the NRL.
Yes, your a RL fan coming from the RL heartlands, which the small regional oversaturated market I was referring to you in my first post.
After living in the South for 25 years, and spending countless months / years trying to get my peers down here interested in RL (both club and country) I can tell you that 95% of people in the south have Never heard of the Huddersfield Giants (or any other RL club maybe apart from Wigan). TBF they could not probalbly name a RU club either (maybe apart from Quins, Bath or Leicester).
People in the north think that the folks in the south are anti-league, and try and put it down in favour or the "other" rugby code. That is not the case. To be anti-something and to put it down you have to first be aware that the sport actually exists. For most people down here Rugby means the 6 nations. Thats it. England playing at Twickers. Thats what rugby is.
I would love to have a conversation with blokes in the pub about how League is better than Union, and go over the pros and cons. But what I get instead is Rugby League, whats that? Is it an E-sport?. Is it played indoors, etc etc.
I wish it was different but its not.
The only way to change this is an England test every year in London. And even that probably wont be enough. -
If they are going to play over here, needs to be a club game.
SOO is meaningless to people in the UK. You would struggle to sell the concept.
But a club game can make sense, as they people can tie themselves to a club-
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Also NBA tried and failed. They play the OTR games now in Paris.
And the jury is out on the MLB games TBH.
Gives me no pleasure writing this, but something has to change if rugby league is ever going to break through.
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as a Broncos fan, it would be nice to have some players to interview