Harry Stottle

Thank you for your honesty and obviously spoken from someone at the sharp end who sees what is unfolding, those words will probably close this thread fantasy is better discussed on this site, realism is somewhat frowned upon.

Now anybody in the real world with a modicom of sense know's precisely that this is the way that elite player's in any sport are generated, but the real world and sense are foriegn to this site when it comes to the question of expansion.

Me too DP, there will be those supporters of SL clubs who will not care what happens below SL, after all they will only be taking the lead of snipe face Leneghan who proposes that no funding should be given to any club below SL level knowing full well that could be a terminal decision for some of those clubs, he like the lemmings who follow him must assume that will make the game stronger, it won't, it will just make life easier for a while for 7 or 8 present SL clubs who struggle to make ends meet even with the 2Million they presently receive, whilst if they go through with Leneghans plan it will start to erode the foundations of the game, if clubs cease to be that will be the focal point of the game lost in some towns, in turn it will affect the community game in those places, less kids will play which means fewer making the transition to the professional ranks, they all don't come from SL towns. We all know what happens above ground when the foundations ceases to be strong enough, the top eventually crumbles and falls away, other than tarting up the visible bits money should be spent on an underpinning operation to secure a more substantial structure for the future.

If either of Wigan and Leeds got relegated it would be the fault of those employed to source the players and those to guide them i.e. the coaches, and most probably those who put those people into their positions. It is no different to last year at Leigh Centurions, Mr Beaumont entrusted Keiron Cunningham to spend 1.67million on the playing roster and trusted Neil Jukes to coach and guide the players, two things he got drastically wrong, his intentions were honorable.

Well that should not happen this year, remember the vote in October by all member clubs, it was based on one up one down to alter the system from the 8's, changing it to suit anyone would be sheer hypocrisy I dont give a flying one whoever it is.

Sinfield could be like Keiron Cunningham, good whilst he had the boots on but put him in a tracksuit or an office and he just can't step up to the required level, Cunningham was a legend at Saints as is Sinfield at Leeds but there will come a time if things don't improve it will be necessary to say Bye Bye.

It isn't good for the opposition or the game in general either.

Wasn't it Rimmer who was instrumental in gaining enough votes from the Championship clubs for the SL to get their motion passed last year in ditching the 8's and basically allowing SL to run the game through Elstone, Rimmer (and I have it personally from a Championship Chairman) contacted each club personally to dissuade them from voting against the motion, talk about being ceremonially shafted. The nan is a waste of fresh air.

And may I add, put them in the House in the first place, those MP's respected the voters choice then without question.

There is nothing much salubrious about the town I come from and we also have some undesirables I accept that, but I would not swop it to live in London if I was paid to do so, one only has to watch the news almost daily to see what the place has become and comprises of on the streets.

You are quite correct Griff I haven't a clue about the area and that is by design, it is about 20 years since I ventured to the cesspit apart from the in and out for Wembley visits and a wedding I couldn't avoid.

Yes, he should back the majority of those who put him in office in the first place, I have stated all along that whichever way the constituency voted their MP should back their desire.

You know I live in Leigh, what point are you trying to make?

If you don't understand what I said you are far thicker than I give you credit for.

Yep with people doing their shopping and sightseeing no doubt.

As I stated 34 million votes condensed into 650, but if that suits you then go with it.

Don't forget MP's had the vote we all had initially, those in the minority in that vote could not accept it and kicked and stamped their feet to have another say, effectively wanting to change 34million votes into 650 votes. Bring on the second referendum, I have observed the reactions of the public in a lot of other reports at the disgust of those MP's who are backing a second referendum, I hope that people will not treat a second vote with a "why should I bother" attitude "I was not listened to in the first place" and get to the polling stations, because that is precisely what the remainers desire. And to those sitting MP's like Cooper and Nandy who completely disrespect the majority of their constituents who voted leave, if a second vote goes the same way in their seat I hope they will take the honorable decision and resign.

Is there only you who works in that part of London, two other pedestrians, no traffic and opposite a tube station, no wonder the majority of the capital want to remain, they may have to get out of bed and do something if we leave.

Off course, you are very correct.

Agree Sheffield v Leigh could be the most competitive.

Would I swop Blake Austin for George Williams as seems Canberra will be doing? Well the only measure we can make is their present form in SL, for mine Austin is much better than Williams so far this season, Friday will be interesting seeing them in opposition.

No problem, since you were not being precise I just pointed out that some of our antipodean (and a French man) friends are actually very grateful for the existance of Rugby League Football in a particular former northern pit town. Perhaps as you state they the paying public are not interested in Super League in Australia coukd be for the very reason I stated, we employ their cast offs?

Some Aussies do though Oliver it gives them a paypacket when they are not deemed good enough to hold a job down at home, you know the people who come to live in a former pit town in the North of England like Justin Holbrook, Luke Douglas, Kevin Naiqama, Zeb Taia, Lachlan Coote, and this particular pit town even attracts a couple of Kiwi's in Dominique Peyroux and Joseph Paulo and a French man in Theo Fages

I think saying 'casual fan' was a generalisation of those Australians who are interested in the game of Rugby League i.e. those who invest time and money following the game.

Well cough off Toronto, leave the British game to fend for itself, and apply to join the NRL, it should not be any problem for the team or the fans of TWP if the NRL endorse it, it would still be playing the first half of it's fixtures in a 'foriegn' country (the weather situation will not change) and the second half in Canada, and they have no knock out cup comps like the Challenge Cup to throw their season in disarray.