Harry Stottle

Hasn't other NRL players and still doing so, took a one year sabbatical at another club before joining the one which as signed them for the next season?

That in reality is what happend at London Bob, relegated before a ball was kicked.

He has been playing well this season albeit at centre, been displaced by Kino Kini a wonderful player at FB.

I am with you all the way with OAB on selection for international honours he us the best we have got by far, but I doubt he would bring anything that the opposition who play in the NRL would not be familiar with, the quality of the majority of the fullbacks across all teams is phenomenally good.

I find your 'Wiggin Speak' indefinable and your logic hard to understand, let's leave it at that.

Fair enough, look forward to your reply then when you have time.

@TommygilfI can see with your Emoji confirmation to Click you are online and must have read my answer to your post, have you developed into as JohnM terms the 'silent type' I can't believe that you have no comment if you disagree with me, so I will take it as 'read sufficient'

This is a debating site John, people make comments and personal arguments and representations on a wide range of subjects, to answer those posts with a counter argument is expected not being ignored if one has a difference of opinion, keeping silent is either taken as agreement or above the mental capacity of the - for want a better description "the monosyllabic" emoji answers of which we have many.

Up to now, even those who believe me to be wrong in my opinion regarding today's refs, no one who watched the games (which I am sure there must be many) which prompted my OP has disagreed with me that the Wigan/Wire, Leigh/Cas games and to a large degree the HKR/Wakey games were spoiled for enjoyment by the incessant calling and whistle blowing by the refs. And to name names in my opinion Marcus Griffiths and Liam Rush are the worst of a bad bunch, conversely as a lot on here have expressed the newest recruit to the full time refs panel out performs her colleague's by a long way being Tara Jones, I would like to know why posters who state such think she is the better of our on field officials, must say at first I was dubious simply because I did not think she capable of keeping up with play especially in fast moves downfield, but she losses nothing with her positioning.

Good post Thomas, are you emphasising that refs go onto the field with preconceived ideas about the amount leniancy they should give to a team that has earned a 'reputation'? But by default that reputation can only be earned by refs giving leniency to those teams in the first place and as you say *bring the refs subconscious into play into making calls. And, in all my long history of watching this sport at professional level, I can never recall when teams and individuals (including those who seemed to have their own whistle like Alex Murphy and Ellery Hanley) who have not taken the rules to the extremes to gain an advantage, but agree it so much more prominent in today's game, it seems everyone is a arm flapper towards the ref, and we have always had those who would cheat, but again so much more so today, who like in your other chosen pro sport of football fain injury at every opportunity to get opponents dismissed, and in both pro games, sadly those on the terraces and tv viewers believe it. * Emphasised on this very sites own podcast by leading ex ref and in my opinion one of our better exponents in recent years Robert Hicks, who stated that a great percentage of decsions are made subconsciously.

Think that you answer the question in your own mind with having to go back in time to select players who may have had a chance of making themselves a name of World Class, today's UK born and based players not a chance, tell me one.

Big joke, yes now I realise you must have been joking with any claim that there are World Class players at Wigan, one of our better clubs but so far behind the NRL.

Thought so, makes a comment then clams up, typical.

I'm asking now, who do you consider to workd class at Wigan, let me help you to start off, none of the NRL rejects in the Wigan squad ,so carry on.

There was once a time when it was said that if you didn't notice the ref during a game then he had a good game. Not much chance of that happening today.