jamescolin
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Great words Jason but you don't offer one workable solution to this problem. There is nothing negative about the question i raised, just a realistic knowledge that to continue re-building something for it just to be trashed repeatedly is throwing money down a black hole.
Phil, sorry mate but we tried that with the police before. The Blue Lagon comes pretty low in their list of priorities and the odd patrol won't deter these ####, they have no fear of the police. Fear of being caught maybe but all they will do is leg it when they arrive and come back another time.
Pimpernel, this is an interesting point, the first time we were broken into it was the grapevine that led us to the culprit. I do think that eventually the #### who did this will become known to us. But with no proof what can you do. And yes i know some will say take them for a ride and beat them to within an inch of their worthless lives, but that's illegal. Fair, but still illegal.
Oh and by the way i personally think the garden should be re-built. So when it is my names top of the list to help.
Some years ago when my kids were small I had our sledge stolen. It was a good sledge and worth a bob or two. I went to where the usual villians hang out and offered the 'big guy' a personal reward for the name of the culprit and the return of the sledge. I got both. Somebody will know who did it. Offer a free pint per home game or something on the basis that the ground is left alone. You say that nothing will work. So you go the villains den and negotiate. Protection money? Get the leader on your side and forget it. It is cheaper believe me. Giving in to the villians? No, using common sense and getting just getting the important one on your side. When he feels important he will do more for the club that it costs. Might go against the grain, a suggestion such as this but it is a solution.
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I bet the real supporters of your great club did not associate themselves with Titsco!!!
Typical remark. The world if full of people who do nothing but find fault.
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so the army are cheesed off at the article??
As I underestand it- yes.
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Just a final remimder if you have a bob or two left. The Featherstone Sports and Educatiuon Foundation Chartiy will be singing carols at 10am until 12 noon and from 6pm to 8pm on the 16th December at Tescos, Pontefract. You can join in the singing if you like but more importantly we need you to put what you can in our collection tins. Merry Christmas Col.
Thanks to Stephanie, Lauren, Vic and Mrs Vic, Chris, Mark, Kev, Steve and a special thanks to Halfpenny Lane Junior School for their attendance and delightful singing. Overall a successful day. Going to get some rest now. It has been a long day. Oh we took give a bob or two
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Whilst we shouldn't give in to these morons rebuilding the beer garden would be a pointless exercise because they will break in again and cause further damage.An alternative would be some form of removeable posts and tables/seats that could be cleared away and put under lock and key after each game.
I hope someboby comes forward and id's those responsible.
What is this country coming to? The only solution would be a Local Communuty Patrol Team formed by the supporters, endorsed by the police. Does anybody think this is possible? They have been effective in other areas. Further do I take it that there is no insurance cover?
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So there you have it folks. Fev Rovers establish a special relationship with the Army stemming from a Cup tie a couple of years back, launch an innovative scheme to mutually help two great institutions, the Army and our club, linked in with all kinds of interesting and useful looking community projects.
And what does the editor of the Yorkshire Post have to say?
He says that the club is taking money from the pockets of brave soldiers and their families.
Pathetic.
He'd like to know what we think of his "opinions"...
yp.editor@ypn.co.uk
It is drivel. I rang the office today before I gave the YP both barrels. I was advised by Kevin that we are letting the Army reply. When you think about it a kick in the watsits from the recruiting commanding officer will be the best reply. The special comments about recruiting and special rfelationship and how the funds will be spent are spot on. Th end result will be that the Army benefits. When you think of the millions hived off by so called entrepreneurs who engage in arms deals and then dont supply the equipment and not prosecuted, you would think they should be the targets.See today's Private Eye. In eqipment terms
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Just a final remimder if you have a bob or two left. The Featherstone Sports and Educatiuon Foundation Chartiy will be singing carols at 10am until 12 noon and from 6pm to 8pm on the 16th December at Tescos, Pontefract. You can join in the singing if you like but more importantly we need you to put what you can in our collection tins. Merry Christmas Col.
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Right, gotcha. But surely they'd rather go straight up to the higher league than risk the playoffs? It does seem odd though at times. Fev probably had a better time of it winning the 2007 playoffs than the Welsh did winning the league.
It is still a question of HOW? Before there is a scheme it is all wishful thinking.
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Start by making sure EVERY club in a particular division is playing by the same rules. Take this new club in Wales for example.IF they are allowed extra Aussies the question should be asked WHY? If our Australian cousins can travel half way around the world to play in Wales i'm sure that there are a couple of dozen British players who would travel a couple of hundred miles to do the same.
Also, if a club is happy to start in the Championship (Toulouse) then they should accept that they are not exempt from relegation.In my opinion ALL new clubs should start at the bottom and if they are good enough, EARN promotion.I agree with Bob that P&R to SL has to be reintroduced.
And I agree as well. The question was HOW are we to achieve it. That why I said is the threat of a breakaway sufficient to make them wake up. I think we are all of the same mind. But getting the powers that be to move from their entrenched position we need to take action of some sort . All the protestation in the world won't make a scrap of difference. A combined Championship proposal that 'treat us fairly or we are gone' might work. But we need SOME form of action or the clubs in the Championship are going nowhere. All the things mentioned, we protest about. but they happen anyway. So protesting is no good. Something stronger is required. The real question is have the Chairmen of the Championship clubs got the b......s to take a united front or are they split because there isa faint hope they might win promotion. Divide and conquer.
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I think you'll find that the 100K comes with more strings attached than the blokes who pulls Pinochio's strings?
Most of it goes on the salaries of the RFL's required staff at each club? The actual money for a televised game I believe is something in the region 5K? The trouble is the televised games aren't anywhere near fairly allocated amongst the clubs, there needs to be a much larger share of the overall pot of SKY money given to the lower leagues. Let's face it, if SKY hadn't lost the NRL franchise, the Championship would never have had the Thursday night slot. At least SKY now realise that their viewers saw some really competetive games last year with only a couple of mediocre ones, unlike SL who had some shockers!
Agreed- But what's the answer? We are still short of funds so what action should we take? Funds will not be volunteered without some action. So what is it. People spend plenty of time talking about the problem, the answer gets little press. Suggestions NIL.
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How would breaking away help gates?
If we get 100k per club, that's 2.1 million quid in total for CC clubs. Could we get that kind of brass on our own?
Things are far from roay at the moment, and the stuff that's gone on in Wales is confusing and disappointing, but breaking away would be a disastrous non-starter IMO.
By breaking away I mean negotiating our own deals and having some autonomy. From what I have read there are quite a few clubs in trouble and nothing is being done about it. If this isn't the answer then what is? As cash flow is everything in any business the only other way is for clubs to cut their cloth according to their income. Perhaps they should all be doing that. The dangling carrot of perhaps a SL place or even promotion to our league may make clubs overspend. That is why a rethink of the whole situation is necessary. Perhaps in view of today's news we should all go to Leeds Carnegie. They seem to have no problem raising funds, kidding of course. What a complete and utter shambles. So called business men do not seem to have a clue on how to conduct themselves when it comes to sport. Whrtever the answer is the status quo wont do.
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Quick Q, how much do the rfl give CC clubs from the Sky Money? Are you confident you could get as much or more from broadcasters?
Good question. I am not sure , but isn't it
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According to this it looks as though the Championship club to be awarded a license for 2012 has already been decided anyway. I've got to the stage where I just don't care any more what they do whether it be Welsh, French or Timbuktu. Steve Oconnor isn't going to say this without some degree of certainty having being directed towards him from the RFL. The whole licensing process is a sham.
http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-25355203/
Terry, Just read that article. Nothing concrete in it in fact it sounded like a load of b....s..t and wishful thinking. I don't think he has any more idea that the rest of us. But as I said it is time we spoke in the Championship with one voice.
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According to this it looks as though the Championship club to be awarded a license for 2012 has already been decided anyway. I've got to the stage where I just don't care any more what they do whether it be Welsh, French or Timbuktu. Steve Oconnor isn't going to say this without some degree of certainty having being directed towards him from the RFL. The whole licensing process is a sham.
http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-25355203/
According to the Yorkshire Post quite a few Championship clubs are in trouble as well as Keighley. I think we have to bother. If we just concentrate on Fev and other clubs go to the wall then we will have no league to play in. It is time I think for all the Championship clubs to combine in an effort to get a better deal. If one isn't forthcoming is it time for another break away? Ok we would have to renegotiate deals with the broadcasters and sponsors for income, but we would at least be our own masters instead of waiting for the breadcrumbs from above.
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Coady was a first team regular for Donny last season so would expect him to be in with a shout. I definately expect Danny Allen to be in there along the way and Dane Manning fromwhat Ive heard about him.
Morrison is definately a prop these days in fact I think his squad number was 8 at Widnes. Agree with Gazza that Divorty will also be used at prop along with Spears.
Marabe can play wing apparently as will Tommy Saxton at some stage I expect. I think youll see a team something like:
Hardman
Steel Parker Marabe Saxton
Briggs Kain
Dickens Lee Morrison
Grayson Dale
Field/Allen
The bench will the be a mobile forward bench with Finn or Lee. So say Spears, Divorty, Tonks, Finn. People like Manning, Coady etc will fill inas injury/form dictates.
Have we enough bulk upfront? Take Dickens and Tonks away and we seem to be lacking there. Also having met the PNG players I can't see
Marabe being big enough for centre. He is a tiny fellow. Standoff maybe. Briggs to centre.
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I acknowledge you never said a player should not be a free agent but in reality under the old system they were not free to take their skills wherever they wished, as normal working people were. This is discrimination, and while i agree the Bosman rule has been detrimental to smaller clubs in particular, discrimination against one part of society is unfair and the EU and British governments rightly put a stop to it.
The practise of sports clubs witholding a players registration until they were paid a transfer fee reduced them to mere chattels. Only wish i had an answer to the problem.
You see though that industry do get grants for training purposes and irrespective of the players rights if a grant was made to clubs who take a player on to reach a certain standard (i.e. same as industrial training) that would maintain the players rights in law and the same time compensate the training club. If sport is an industry and subject to industrial law then some form of compensation should be coming to the training club. You are right though it is a problem, but there are solutions if the will is there. How about paying the club a sum for taking somebody off the 'job seekers'? The government make Sports Grants as we have seen. A slight extension of that principle could help the smaller clubs. I am fully in favour of the right to work where ever. I have been in order: a miner, a railwayman, a soldier, and a banker and unemployed as I am now (not surprising at 75). You might have a rule saying that if a player has been nurtured and trained by a smaller club then the bigger club should pay a fee to cover that. I know it goes down the line and therefore a Championship club would have to pay an amateur club if they take a player. But it would be fairer than now. No matter which job I had the people who paid me got their moneysworth that can't be said of the initial club in a player's career if hje moves on at an early stage,
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Sorry jamescolin but i don't agree. When a player comes to the end of his contract why should'nt he become a free agent. When i used to do fixed contract work, at the end of that contract i was free to go where i wanted for my next contract. The company employing me never paid a transfer fee or compensation to my previous employer. Why should a professional sportsman be any different. As Mark said it's an infringement of employment law and a persons civil liberties.
Sorry DMS. I never said a player should not be a free agent. What I said was that in the past we were compensated for his leaving. Old Rovers idea has merit. But if you think about it industry has never paid compensation (they might pay the employee if head hunting him) so there isn't a parallel there. In the past we did get a fee for the player going and my point is that money is now lost to the clubs. As it helped with new signings it is a big loss.
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as well as Mark Falkingham-York.
Must be Houston to Hunslet
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So do I plus the Bosman rule. After that came in it killed the smaller clubs chances.
Sorry, someone may not know about the Bosman rule. Whatever you think of mamagement to my mind the start was this ruling that was the killer. When a player comes to the end of his current contract he is a free agent and can sign for who he likes- and this is the killer- without a transfer fee. In the past we have brought youngsters along and they went then in the old days to bigger clubs. BUT we got a transfer fee and that enabled us to sign other players or give up and coming youngster a contract out of the proceeds. I have been since 1939 and we have never been a rich club. Our succes has beed built on the back of good coaching, up and coming players, and an influx of seasoned veterans of our choice. We can't do that now as the youngsters go without fee and so our mix to enable us to challenge the top clubs has gone. There is a lot wrong with the system but I feel the root of it all lies in this rule. Yes a player should do the best he can for himself in what is a short career but the club that nurtured and discovered him should be compensated at the time of the transfer and also later if the player gets international honours. That is what use to happen and made a better level of playing field. Now it needs, unless they abolish the Bosman rule, a complete rethink.
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Same problem,andyc. I call it a "senior moment".
So do I plus the Bosman rule. After that came in it killed the smaller clubs chances.
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As I said earlier I have no axe to grind with anyone who decides to pay fro subscription television. The whole crux of the matter though is, should the major sporting events be available on free to view television ? My answer was yes. I was also taking into account that many people could not afford to pay subscriptions. Colin you are right there are Pubs and Clubs to watch big games in if you wish, the clubhouse opened for this purpose and no-one was interested. There is bound to be many different programme choices available on SKY , that though is not the point, the whole point is that I pay my television licence to the BBC for them to entertain me, without that licence I am not able to watch ANY television.
Like you Colin I live on a pension, one which I contributed to all my working life and because I am not yet 65, never increases year after year so my income is static my outgoings are different. I do, however, have savings whch I could if required use, but the question is and will always be, should premium sporting events be available to the MAJORITY on free to view, I say yes. The argument about someone on benefits buying 40 fags cannot come into the equation the same as how can unemployed drug addicts afford a "fix"?
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Well done Robin on having the patience to reply to the above post. For me there are far to many generalisations and stereo-types to be bothered with.
Why should Robin have to have patience to answer a post that you obviously don't agree with. As far as I am aware we were having a discussion from different points of view. To dismiss somebody's argument offhand because you don't agree with it is also stereo-typed and also a generalisation. You don't agree so dismiss it. But then we listen to you. Give me the same courtesy. Is there an inner club that we are outside of, that decides what is right and what is wrong There are quite a number of points that Robin and Bob have made that are spot on. Others I didn't agree with. Does one have to have patience to give an answer? Sorry sir, this naughty poster will try not to disturb your patience in future.
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i'm told the two lads from png have arrived. A couple of people have described jesse. Apparently he is one big bug_ger!
Seen them both. Jesse was sat down but didn't look that big. The other fellow is quite small. I am taking it of course that the two people I saw were the PNG blokes.
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Couldn't have put it better myself Bob!
I know there are some unfortunates but they are not all they seem. Reguarly in the paper shop I am behind unemployed people who buy forty fags and spend
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