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9 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:
If you are only losing £400pw then your club is a standout success. Even down in the depths of L1 directors of some clubs are quoted to be injecting "six figure sums" this season with no guarantee of success. Running a RL club is an expensive hobby.
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4 minutes ago, TheBossDog said:
The sarcasm in your post is wonderful. You praise the effort, then yet go on to mock it.
'Basking in the light of a new TV'. In fact, we have plenty that love it!! Today people stayed in and spent more behind the bar whilst watching the Toulouse game on the TV before kick off. Also, tell me of another club where you can go to the bar, and not miss the game as it is being streamed inside the bar. I will wait. These are all factors which boost the facilities we have. The amount of good comments we get is unbelievable!
We may own our ground, though associated costs do arise. The floodlights needed doing, whether you agree about it or not.
The homemade goods are independently raised, which I said before. Simply making such a comment is unfair, and a mockery of a comment is unjustified to be honest.
We have BISSA. They do astounding work to raise funds for boosting the squad. Maybe, if you can, join them as a member. They do so much vital fundraising.
Please do not take my post as a pop at you personally. It was certainly not intended that way. Are you in charge of how the money in the club is spent? I didn't think so, maybe I'm wrong?
I do support some of the investment in facilities, but my point is, there has to be some balance in what is spent on facilities and playing squad.
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38 minutes ago, TheBossDog said:
The homemade Sausage Rolls did sell really well. Infact, they sold out.
It is a great idea by a long standing member of the Bulldogs family to bake goods, and sell them. All the proceeds are going straight to making Beverley's Bar more modern. This prevents the club from having to use their funds to do such. This only enhances our stance on being a family club at the core, which we all love!
So far, we have seen a brand new large Smart Screen TV in the bar, as well as an Ice Machine. Also, a meat slicer has been purchased for the kitchen.
Currently, plans are being made for a brand new window and doors - which are much needed for Beverley's Bar!! All being well they should be fitted before the season ends.
Just want to reiterate that this is being done independently, to help the club.
Whilst I really applaud the investment in the facilities and the ground, surely there has to be some balance. Every penny the club has had historically, is seemingly spent modernising this, that and the other, yet we never spend anything like what we should be doing on the squad. Without whom, we won't have a team to watch, the soul reason the club exists.
Is the thought process, spectators will all continue to attend matches basking in light of the new TV in the bar, or perhaps taking a lovely winters stroll around the pitch, whilst enjoying a homemade pie under the best floodlights in RL, even though the team on the field is incapable of competing?
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As has been asked elsewhere, what is the plan Kevin? Do you know something we don't? Is there a reshuffle of the divisions on the cards, therefore no relegation this season. Hence the lack of investment in the squad.
I hear Moxon asked for 5 players at the start of the season and got 1, Kibula, who got injured and is out for the season. Are you bringing anyone else in, to at least try to avoid relegation? Have you thrown the towel in? It certainly looks like the players have.
Do you not trust Moxon? If not, why appoint him?
If you do trust him, then for god sake back him financially.
I hear the club is currently running at a loss to the tune of £400 per week. I cannot validate this claim, just the word from the terraces, but if so, we are talking about an extra 20 fans paying at the gate per week to make up the deficit. We are not talking about thousands in losses. How much do you think the club will be losing if you continue with this lack of investment in the squad? I sadly cannot tell you an exact figure, however, I can guarantee it will be a damn site more than 20 that will be staying away, and losses far in excess of £400 per week.
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27 minutes ago, il cattivo said:
at this rate we'll be lucky to get no points at all.
woeful in all departments.
this is not acceptable at all.
injuries or no injuries.
players looking uninterested from the start and I've wasted lots of money to be here for my first away match of the season.
not the first time unfortunately over the years granted,but I expect a bit of effort.
something not right here at all....
we're only 4 games into the season and we look absolutely shattered and spent after 20 mins.
...but at least we'll have the best floodlights in the rugby league.
No players to play under them, because we've spent all the money on the lights instead of players. Neither will we have any spectators to bask under the lights, because they have got sick of watching the club implode, because Kevin has this crazed notion that sodding lights are the be all, and end all.
Lights that are only likely to be used twice a season, at a push.
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On 12/12/2024 at 15:06, sheddingswasus said:
I think part of the problem is with this whole IMG fiasco. It has knocked the stuffing out of many clubs. Many owners / directors are probably now thinking what is the point! Hypothetically if Ken Davy had a spat Huddersfield and threw his lot in with Batley, and you build a great team you still would be denied SL. So really what is the point?
Completely agree, I'm also sure the IMG fiasco has had an impact on the fanbases of many clubs too.
With effectively nothing to play for, for most clubs outside of SL, how many fans have already/will turn there back on the game completely?
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12 minutes ago, bromleybulldog said:
Surprised to see that Oli Burton is leaving- assume released. Never given a fair chance imo
I hadn't seen that Bromley, very sad to see him go if true, he is the best acting HB distributor at the club IMO. Defensively, he needs a bit of work, but he is only young and would be well worth persevering with.
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9 hours ago, Bulls2487 said:
Sounds like your very bitter about the Bulls
I think most RL fans are quite bitter about the shenanigans at the Bulls. It epitomises most of what is wrong with the game, and the main reason why lots of fans are walking away from it.
Quite how the RFL, under the stewardship of a current director of the Bulls, could buy the Odsal lease for £2M a couple of years ago, then be allowed to buy it back, as director of the Bulls, for less than 10% of the amount the RFL originally paid is beyond belief.
I'm sure most clubs would be thriving if the RFL had essentially gifted them circa £1.8M.
How this has not been the subject of independent investigation is even more baffling.
Please let me know, if any of this post is factually inaccurate.
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8 minutes ago, phildog said:
Only Hooley really KTF, Putt to a fair degree, Moustapha not, Hill looked just our sort in the bit I saw. For various reasons, 1 in particular I suppose, we've never had great success down the DR route and even 'seadon-long loans' haven't been great, I think McGowan was the only one who has really fitted the heading.
McGillvary and Griffin were pretty decent additions.
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Most teams in the division have been very inconsistent this season.
We have beaten Bradford once, Widnes, Sheffield and Swinton twice. Yet we have lost to Doncaster and Halifax twice .(no disrespect intended), teams you would have expected us to beat at least at home, given we were good enough to have done the double over 2 of the current top 6. Swinton have turned over Featherstone and Toulouse, games you wouldn't have expected them to have much of a chance in.
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22 minutes ago, seen it before said:
take a fullback out and you lose shape
As for woods i am sure he did a 40/20 on Sunday and the kicking game was excellent ,you have your opinion and i have mine but if woods wasn't in the side we would be in a relegation dogfight without doubt.
Set up 75%of tries and a kicking average for goal above 80%
As for Gilmore what exactly did he do on Sunday
I don't disagree with you. Gilmore has been distinctly average against us in the 3 games this season. As I say, it is a debatable point, should the halfbacks have to tell players where they need to be running? I would argue not, given the experience in the team. However, something needs change. I'm certainly not in the "Woods berating club", but creativity wise on Sunday, we offered very little in attack.
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7 hours ago, The scrim reaper said:
Sorry but for me woods is average at best and and far too inconsistent! He's supposed to be the game organiser and main ball player but he's far too slow and predictable when he has the ball, as for the coaching How's about thinking out the box for a bit, what about a ball over top 4th tackle for the wingers and centers to chase especially going downhill or taking the line on more often or attempting a 40/20 all things that they should'nt have to think about!
I think the biggest problem is; we have nobody running on to, or off the ball at angles, and no second phase to make the opposition defenders think.
Looking at our attacking line, we were very flat and the halfbacks had very few options with ball in hand. All they could do on Sunday was pass to man next to them, put a looping ball over the top of the man next to them to miss him out, but because we are so flat, the 2nd guy out had to be stood still in order to catch it as there was no depth, or the only other option was a kick.
Whether you blame the rest of the players for not providing options in attack, or the halfbacks for not telling the runners where they need to be running is debatable.
Hooley has been the one man that has provided that run from deep to provide an option in attack and something for the opposition defenders to think about.
Given the experience in the team, I don't think the players we have, should need telling to stand deeper in attack and run on to the ball at angles to create options for the ball players. However, we never struggled with this with Gilmore in the halves and Lingard in charge.
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5 hours ago, phildog said:
Bill, I believe I have sufficiently explained the situation in question. I have spent about 3 years now as moderator of this site, having to hand out warnings to members on behavioural and language grounds, interceding between factions etc. I was sat yesterday with 3 of my grandchildren, 11, 8, 7 and a row in front of a ladies' party. Would I be f'ing and jeffing in that company? Did any of those ladies have to ask me to moderate my language? No. Anybody who actually knows me knows that in daily life I'm more likely to ask someone if they are acquainted with other words in the dictionary rather than join in the abuse. At no time did I verbally abuse any player, parent, partner or child. The bandwagon has been joined by a number of people on the say so of someone else, not on what they have personally seen or heard. Yes, I have enough to say on a number of topics but I believe what I say is said properly and not in any vulgar manner. The same I can say in all honestly covers this 'disagreement' of yesterday. Storm in a thimble.
You might think so, but it obviously isn't to Luke!
It's not like he is posting on here on a regular basis, yet he feels strongly enough to post about this!
You have almost single handedly dismantled this forum with your constant moaning, whinging and general negativity, then you wonder why most of the regulars no longer use this forum!
Phil for christ sake give your head a wobble and think about the consequences of the sh1t3 you spout.
Head up Luke! The only players that don't make mistakes are the ones not doing, or trying anything.
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I can see your point Nineoil, but if it was just Batley and Dewsbury's crowds that had declined, I would agree with you. However, I firmly believe that the demographic issue, is only a very small piece of the puzzle.
Most clubs at our level have seen attendances plummet. All 3 Cumbrian clubs have very different demographics to us and Dewsbury, as do teams like Swinton, Hunslet, Sheffield, Doncaster, York and pretty much every other RL club. However, demographics are not the reason these clubs have seen attendances drop.
How many of clubs in any division have seen significant increases in attendances over what they were 20 years ago? Even watching SL games on TV, like the recent Warrington v Leeds game, one of the biggest games on the RL calendar, the attendance was appalling. After googling (whilst writing this), Warrington's average gates have dropped by over 1000 compared to what they were just last season. They are in with a good chance of getting to the GF, they have RL star coaching them, yet the people of Warrington are not attending, demographics isn't the issue in Warrington.
Extra TV coverage won't help Warrington's attendances, I realise that, but, it makes you wonder whether this is also impacting every RL club, not just those in SL. Anyone with a slight sporting interest can get a monthly sky subscription with all the sports they offer, for the same price (or less) than watching 4 live games at Batley or Dewsbury.
Watching RL on TV means the average RL fan doesn't have to pay to get to the ground, find a place to park, get wet, cold, pay more for a pie and a pint than they would at a supermarket, and if they fancied watching the game at different time or day, they can do with the press of a button.
For the likes of Batley, Dewsbury and every other club in the CH (that isn't in Wakefield), we all knew before a ball was kicked this season, that we won't get in to SL, regardless of any on-field success. As soon as the IMG ratings came out, even winning the league and GF wouldn't be enough to climb above Wakefield on the IMG "battle of the balance sheet and twitter followers league table". Therefore, the only thing we have to play for, is avoiding relegation.
As a none die hard RL fan, would you watch a club with absolutely nothing positive to play for, and pay £20+ a week for the privilege? Alternatively, you can watch 6 games on TV every week if you want, from the comfort of your living room drinking beer and snacks of your choosing for much less than you would pay at any ground.
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On 03/07/2024 at 11:49, gingerjon said:
Did your friend think he would be reffing Wigan v Saints?
Sorry... I must have missed the part where I had typed he would refereeing a SL game... Oh that's right, I didn't!
Are you one of Donald Trump's alternative facts brigade?
IMO, 2.5 hours training is probably not nearly enough for the majority of people, to then be let loose to officiate a competitive game at any level.
Some parents and kids, do not always treat games as friendlies, and certainly knowhere near as much as some would like it to be about simply taking part.
My lad played in the U8's last year, and some kids, and parents we encountered seemingly had no concept of just 'playing for the fun of it'. Some took it extremely seriously, and kids would be in floods of tears if they had lost a game, nevermind if it was due to a ref that hadn't got a clue what they were doing, because they were insufficiently trained or prepared for it.
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4 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:
A female player I know did the same and had a similar experience. She did go on to ref a number of games but got tired of abuse, mainly by coaches of U12's teams, and decided to pack it in.
I will hold my hands up, I have been highly critical of referees in the past. However, knowing what training and support the officials get, I cannot help but feel sorry for them.
We saw a pretty poor standard of officiating on Sunday at Widnes, but knowing the guy has only had 2.5 hours training, then deemed competent, I can't help but feel sorry, and admire each and every one of the people that step up every week to run the games.
However, I find it incredulous that somebody at the RFL has not been held accountable for passing this level of support and training off as acceptable!!!
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On 26/06/2024 at 23:19, Damien said:
For all those that like a good moan about referees and how poor they are, now is your chance to do something about it:
A fellow Batley fan attended one of the sessions which consisted of 30 minutes on field training, followed by 2 hours in a classroom. He then got a certificate and asked if he was available to referee a game at the weekend.
No thanks!!!!
If the RFL think 2.5 hours training is enough to make a competent referee, they need to give their heads a wobble.
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Very good performance today and a well deserved win. Especially after losing Putt in the bin early on and what must have been 5 penalties against us on the trot seemingly given due to a whim by the ref which resulted in both of Widnes' first half tries; and we had a Leaky-esque try from dummy half chalked off for obstruction?!?! But they scored one in the second half which seemed like a carbon copy seemingly okay!
Both sides made lots of unforced errors, but defensively we were outstanding today and we looked like scoring every time we got in the opposition 20, unlike most games this season.
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