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Blind side johnny

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  1. 4 hours ago, fredm said:

    Dogfather, the press have named it the “million pound game” as they like to make out that the winner would receive all that amount from their income from SL amounts from the RFL plus the extra cash from presumably larger gates. All a bit of press talk to make things sound bigger than they really are.

    Correct and actually a hangover from the infamous "eights". It was only the press who labelled the recent phenomenon as "The MPG", not the RFL.

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  2. 12 minutes ago, Sir Jekyll Stocking said:

    I wonder how much the club makes out of the PV panels and wind turbine?

    Hardly anything. the feed-in tariffs have never increased even though energy prices have gone through the roof.

  3. On 25/11/2022 at 12:27, gittinsfan said:

    To be fair,the club should have had a nice bonus income from that run to the final.However that money should be spent in a sensible way.And Kevin has'nt done a bad job of that over the last few years,has he?

    Not to mention impending energy bills - a real headache for clubs that own their own ground, I understand.

  4. On 25/11/2022 at 10:37, DOGFATHER said:

    Genuine questions for TD: -

    Do you know what the prize money was for reaching the GF?

    Do you know how much we got from the Featherstone and Leigh once the expenses were taken in to account?

    Do you know what bonuses, (if any), were paid to the players after beating Featherstone in the Semi Final?

    I don't know the answer to any of these, so if you could enlighten me, I would be grateful. I suspect once you have answered them, it might point you to the answer to your own question too. 

    I don't believe that there is any prize money for finishing first, never mind second. There should be a share of the nett takings, however much that might be, but no actual prize.

  5. On 24/11/2022 at 21:02, phildog said:

    Doubt it'll be a lot down in the ice bowl BSJ! I was perished at Widnes kadt oee'seadon and Kingdtone Park but I reckon South Leeds in January will beat both. BTW both clubs quiet over Boxing Day...

    I am told on good authority that the Boxing Day game is being planned for your place at 12.00. Clubs in general will be making plans for pre-season friendlies so I guess that most would want to announce them as a whole rather than in dribs and drabs.

  6. On 25/11/2022 at 11:26, Oxford said:

    Oh, I see!

     

    Category A is exempt from relegation which would not support your argument. If you look at how Ofsted inspections work (or most importantly don't) the idea that an organisation exempt from the worst consequence of standards will need to or will keep up its standards is illogical.

    The assumption that category A will, or that without other huge changes the other organisations can achieve A status after being placed in other categories is what the exemption is based on.

    I am also amazed at the number of posters who are normally quite cynical of, and suspicious about changes and their implications who seem to have bought into this so completely.

    To me it simply reflects a stitch up, whoever voted for it and whoever supports it.

    Then you have misunderstood my argument. The categorisations, including A, aren't permanent but need to be continuously accredited, just like Ofsted in fact.

    You accuse people of "buying into" this as if we are all a part of some conspiracy. In fact I have looked at the proposals that have been made public and, so far, see them as being a reasonable approach to taking the game forward. Naturally, I reserve the right to change my mind if and when other facts come to light.

    Those who prefer to stick with what we have in the hope that things will somehow improve are also perfectly entitled to their opinions.

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  7. 23 hours ago, Batley Bob said:

     

    I hope that you will let them keep all the gate money. That's what big clubs like yours usually do for their lesser neighbours to offer a helping hand.

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  8. 40 minutes ago, Oxford said:

    It won't be revised for category A sides that has been made very clear.

    It's hard to tell whether people buy into the criteria because they believe the ideas or believe change was crucial. Consquences seem immaterial.

    The outcomes of all this will be interesting but probably won't reflect what we all think they will be.

    Quite the opposite if I have read the IMG documentation correctly. It isn't a ratchet type process - clubs have to continually maintain their standards, that's the whole point.

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  9. 20 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

    @Blind side johnny. Paul Lakin is CEO of Hull KR hence my comment. So who is making the decisions, what's the criteria and who is control?

     

    IMG are not in control. The clubs, via the RFL are.

    IMG are proposing a set of criteria which, if I understand correctly, will not be absolute from day 1 but can be refined. These criteria will have to be ratified by the clubs but peer pressure must apply, I hope. Anyone holding out against perfectly sensible proposals for selfish reasons will be exposed for what they are.

    The difference between what has gone before and what should now happen must be in the implementation. Previously this has been amateurish; the hope now must be that it is much more professional.

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  10. 4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

    Hi Kentish, it a feeling based upon observation of having spent more years than I care to remember around the amatuer game and watching it decline both in participation, volunteer and spectator numbers.

    Same as cricket, soccer, lacrosse, field hockey etc. then?

    RL isn't immune to societal change but you pin the decline on participation to your own hobby horse.

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  11. 6 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

    But it is that system of advancement to the next level through the on field results that dictates to the RL clubs to be the best they can, invest in better players and if they so wish and can afford it go full time, if the same rules applied as you describe in 2nd Tier English Ice Hockey where there is no promotion there is no target as such to aim for and going that extra step in player investment is unnecessary.

    Last pre season Featherstone Rovers looked like they were going to be unassailable in their quest to win the Championship gong, then Leigh from a virtual standing start responded, I just don't get this criticism that Fev and Leigh spoiled the Championship, without doubt the most eagerly awaited and best games of the season were the matchups contested between these two, but this is the phschy of British RL fans, instead of having a want a desire for other clubs to better themselves in a bottom to top up approach, they want to reverse that and bring the top clubs down to the level of the others.

    Anyway, I think you and others may well get your wish if this grading system acheives the light of day, soon realisation that there will be no transfer of clubs between the SL and Championship will happen, the wealthier 'B' clubs - those in the top flight - with SL funding will always have the upper hand, in time those ambitious Championship clubs will lose their enthusiasm to invest both on and off the field and in turn the speccies will drift away, the community game will be affected with the apathy towards RL that will grow beyond SL towns and in time will affect the future player production - they are not all born in Wigan, Leeds and St. Helen's - I just hope those at the RFL have really thought this through.

    We're all doomed then Harry?

    You've been saying this so often and for so long that I reckon we all understand what you believe. Otthersa choose to differ.

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  12. 3 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said:

    So IMG must have decided the criteria already and we are letting a marketing agency dictate how our sport is run without telling us what the secret criteria are and who is making the decision? 

    Genuinely hope this isn't true. IMG are out to make as much money for themselves as possible. Nothing wrong in that but only a fool (or RFL/SL?) would give a third party control like this.

    If it is true then this has failed before it's started.

    IMG will make their money from increasing the income into the sport, hence I would like IMG to make a great deal of money out of this. They do not "have control" - each significant stage in the process has to be agreed by the clubs.

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  13. 14 hours ago, Gomersall said:

    Did you not take my advice on the OT thread and use the Wharfside tram stop? It’s in the opposite direction to the OT tram stop near the cricket ground where the vast majority of  tram users go. Ah well, you live and learn 😂

    Navigating in unfamiliar territory in the dark is pretty difficult around OT. It was amusing (in a cruel way) to see those that decided to go to Trafford Bar for the tram instead watching full trams trundle up one after the other.

    I thought that Metro handled the situation at the tram stop pretty well and empty trams were pulling up every 3 minutes. I can't see how they could have managed any better. The trains from Picadilly were another matter altogether though.

  14. 2 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

    Someone mentioned Tom Trbovic (not sure about the spelling). I watch a lot of league and have not got the faintest notion why he might be considered a top class as opposed to a decent player. Has he even played against England? I appreciate that COVID has distorted everything, so maybe in time we will get to know these players. 

    We should bear in mind that the NH is an absolutely massive market for international league - there is zero chance of any of the SH teams playing for their country in front of a crowd that size at a world renowned stadium. I would have thought that some of them might want to do so again…

    He is outstanding in the NRL. The best players in the NRL who were available were selected for this Aussie squad. Hence he is a top class player even if, like many of the others, he hasn't even played against England. I don't believe this last factor is still a requirement for greatness, but I may be wrong.

  15. 1 hour ago, Dunbar said:

    I support you second point on my post I was typing as you were. 

    On the numbering.  It was just daft from start to finish.  The decision to use squad numbering meant that no team in the final was going to play in 1 to 13.  Then Australia's decision to use crazy numbers compounded that.  Not our best decision as a sport.

    How does the Australian system differ from or compound squad numbering? I don't understand how people found one more difficult than the other.

  16. 14 hours ago, Kelsey The Ram 97 said:

    I'd have thought a few group games would have made our ground look fairly full, I do remember Kirklees Council saying a few years back that we had to have a roof on the Beaumont Terrace before it was added to our official capacity though so maybe they put a block on it.

    Not quite. The council's view was that, unless the two terraced areas were separated then they could only grant a capacity that took into account all spectators sheltering from the rain in the South Stand. So, either separate the standing areas or, much more expensively, put a covering over the Beaumont Terrace.

    The benefits to us of having a capacity greater than 5000 would be minimal compared with the costs so I guess that it is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future.

    The RLWC apparently exceeded the attendance target over the whole of the competition and the attendance at the final surprised many, especially the doomsayers who seem to thrive in RL.

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