Maximus Decimus
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How the heck can you say that.
Did you ask the poster , did you, no.
Its all in the mind mate, seek help.
If Fax or another club who yo thought was a thret to Widnes chances of a Licence posted accounts like
that.........that thread woUld be 15 pages long by now.
Still not found it then Mick? What a pointless reply.
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http://www.therhinos.co.uk/news/14782.php
I knew they were hard but like a car hitting you at 50mph is a bit too much for my liking!
Toughest team sport in the world.
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Its a lost cause, if this year is the sum result of 20 years of trying it speaks for itself.
Done badly by all and sundry.
I don't think it's a lost cause by any means. I think Quins is however.
Many of their incarnations have had their problems. For instance the first few were not long term enough, so despite high initial crowds they pulled out too quickly. I have a Rothmans were Fulham's average in the second division is higher than the first division average.
Since Super League began they have had the problem of being seen as a foreign outpost of Northern and Australian centric RL. They often fielded teams of exclusively Australian players with little youth development or amateur clubs to underpin it. This with the constant moving meant they had no identity of their own.
Recently they have been getting things right in certain areas. They are a representation of London RL now and have a good number of locally produced players, some of who have played for England. However they are trapped by the Quins thing.
I think they should move again, I don't know where but it needs to be an independent club that they can market independently. I don't think they should have a silly moniker like the Bronco's either but be known simply as London Rugby League.
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That's male genitals.
Any team of the size of Widnes, with crowds of a similar size, announcing those kind of results would have begged all the same questions.
I look at accounts every day, and I would love to see how you make sense of those figures.
Of course they would.
The tone was meant to be sarcastic as often whenever figures, no matter how dodgy, are questioned people are shouted down for being negative, or having agendas etc. It's usually whenever it involves an expansion club.
I know the figures don't look right, but being out of debt is a positive. I would also question exactly why we would fiddle the accounts to have a turnover 2 and a half times bigger than required. If you're fiddling the accounts then surely you wouldn't do it by that much. When Halifax announced their dubious crowd to meet the criteria, they didn't decide to go for a crowd of 11,000!
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With Widnes now being properly run for about the first time in living memory, would the powers that be be deeply upset if Quins folded at the end of this season?
I'm sure they would as would the majority of Rugby League.
Admitting defeat with a London RL club would have bad consequences for the game I think.
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If that's so, why offer season tickets at all ? Presumably the clubs expect punters to turn up to insufficient games to make their season ticket pay.
Why would they? You're not understanding the point at all. Season tickets make the clubs more money because it guarantees them a certain amount of money from a number of fans. If they didn't offer them the reality would be that they would end up with less money even though the individual games price are more as people would not attend for whatever reason. Almost every ST holder I know doesn't make it to every game. I bought one for my 2 nephews who have probably made a third of the games.
Therefore as a business Season Tickets make sense. They provide you with guaranteed income higher than that you would get without them. They also provide it at the beginning of the season, allowing you to plan. NRL clubs have never needed them because of other revenue streams but they are starting to increase them year on year because they are financially beneficial.
You have no evidence that Flextickets would increase income, none at all. Therefore suggesting that clubs would somehow be stuck in the past for not using them doesn't work. Clubs will use them if they increase income, if they don't they won't. That's Capitalism. Not all clubs would jump on straight away but the best would and the rest would see the benefit.
Say Hull FC sold 10,000 season tickets this year. That's a guaranteed say
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The origin of season tickets is the members' club. You joined the club and one of the benefits was free entry to all the games. In some areas, season tickets are still called "members passes" if only colloquially.
There are now no members' clubs.
Still, I'm not holding my breath that clubs will move with the times.
Not the issue whatsoever.
RL is a capitalist sport and as such if they work they will be adopted as it means more revenue. If they don't they won't.
I suspect we'll see one club try it and others will then follow suit. Take the example of Bullmania and how many clubs in RL (and Union) susequently adopted their methods.
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Once again we see another positive thread derailed by people with their agenda's who just want Widnes to desperately fail....
Oh wait that only happens when it's expansion clubs. With every other club it's just a natural message board conversation developing from unexpected news.
I'm fairly sure there's some creative accounting going on but at the end of the day we've ticked that box and we're out of debt which is positive news however you look at it.
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Seems like a good idea but it's not perfect.
Season tickets are good from a clubs perspective because it makes people commit to going to 13 or so games. Now this is completely independent of whether or not the club does well. They make the purchase when they are optimistic about the season. I would also suggest that it encourages people to attend games even if they don't fancy it. Many people will go simply because they have paid. It also means that people have paid even if there is a change to their circumstance and they can no longer attend games.
From a personal point of view it would be ideal. I haven't bought myself a season ticket for at least 10 years. I can't guarantee that I can make all or most of the games and I have rarely had the money to shell out all at once. This year I've been a few games but not all games that I could have made, sometimes I haven't fancied paying for a game that doesn't appeal to me when I'm skint. I would be much more likely to pay for a flexticket, especially one that I could use with friends or give away if I couldn't make it. The club would benefit as it would guarantee more frequent attendance from people like me.
However I fear a club would see a reduction in the number of season tickets in exchange for flextickets. If the team started the season poorly, they may not get another ticket. Also in my experience many fans experience a mid-season lull anyway and may decide to pick and choose their games after that.
It's a tough one. If it was my club I would definitely suggest something like flextickets being brought in half-way through the season. It will take one club to try them out before we see if they work or not. If they do, all clubs will jump on it because it's win win. If they don't then they won't. It's a bit like the season ticket, I'm sure one club started them first and other's followed suit because they work.
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Max, you're "hopeful" the Quins experiment has failed?
I do agree with the brand being overshadowed, though.
Sorry that's what you get for typing too fast. I meant to say hopefully it will be a move and not for instance the end of London RL. The bit about Quins not working wasn't meant to be linked to that point really.
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This surely begs the question of if Widnes can do it what's stopping everyone else?
Sure SL clubs have to spend more on players, SL salary cap of
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Some did yes, he's not perfect by any stretch but pro rugby in oldham wouldn't exist without him. Now Chris has found us a home things are looking up, Crowds are up, all revenue is ours, we have a good squad of young local lads who clearly give 100% every week, a good chance of promotion and most importantly the new ground has united the fans. Sure its a sh!thole at the moment but it will improve in time. Bigger crisis' than this have been resolved when we've been in a far less able position to resolve them so I'm not unduly worried by this news, I'm sure the bill will get paid in full like all the others in the past. As I said previously I believe this will be the last time this happens at Oldham.
Good stuff.
I've always had a soft spot for Oldham and if anything their decline over the past decade or so is the saddest of all Championship clubs.
I remember the last time Widnes came into Super League we defeated Oldham in the GF. That is how close Oldham came to a very different future and who knows where they would be now. They also used to get crowds that were one of the best in the league. I always keep an eye out for their results and hope that one day they get back to where they deserve.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_leag...don/8944609.stm
Surprised this went unnoticed.
"There's an air of uncertainty hanging about the club and they don't know what's happening next year,"Quotes like this from McDermott are very worrying. I can't see them pulling the plug completely but are we looking at another move?
Hopefully, I think the Quins experiment has failed. It was worth a risk but they are trapped in a situation where they are totally overshadowed by a club that 95% of people can't differentiate them from.
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http://www.widnesvikings.co.uk/article.php?id=2519
Apparently we had a turnover of
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4th is clearly better than 5th for the simple fact that they get a second bite of the cherry and at home.
The 'roll on' idea doesn't work as it can be easily countered by an equally likely alternative. Say Leeds finish 4th and narrowly lose to Wigan and then go on to play Hull at home who have easily beaten the Crusaders. Who is better prepared in the Leeds Hull game?
The RFL should resort back to 6th and I think most people would agree with that. I think they are keeping it because they are worried about clubs having nothing to play for with the taking away of promotion and relegation. However I don't think the race for 8th stirs up particularly much excitement because the chances of winning are so remote and most people realise that 8th isn't a great achievement.
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Recently I was in Dublin and I was looking round a book shop when I saw a book called 'sporting heroes.' Now I don't know about anyone else, but I always check these kind of books to see if they include RL or just 'rugby' and I figured being an Irish bookstore it might not. I was pleasantly surprised to find it did and the first RL hero was Billy Boston. It was the first line that shocked me, it was something like this,
'After the war Rugby League was experiencing it's Golden Age and this peaked in the 1949-50 season when the total attendance for that year reached 69.8 million.'It didn't seem right and I'm fairly sure it can't be and that they must mean 6.9 million. Even so that is a really impressive number. For instance total attendance this year will be around the 2.5 million mark. However I'm not sure I'd call it the sports Golden Age. Whilst we used to beat the Aussies with a degree of regularity and many clubs competed for trophies, we were very limited geographically and international attendances in this country were small.
Personally I'd say 87-95 will be seen as the Golden Age. I can't speak for attendances, but nationally we had a lot of stars and internationally crowds were the highest they ever were. We also had many classic events like Wigan beating Manly in 87 and Brisbane in 92. The running the Aussies close so many times as well.
When do you think the Golden Age was or are we in it now?
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Maximus, I'm not sure where you got that information from but you couldn't be further from the truth.
Supporters Direct is an organisation which campaigns for greater supporter representation within professional sport. It is fact that many clubs are not being well run and this is shown by the number that have been in trouble in the last couple of years. When clubs go bust, it is the supporters who are left behind to pick up the pieces yet they are rarely given a say in how the club is being run in the first place and are expected to blindly hand over money left, right and centre and ask no questions about where it is being spent.
We are trying to change this and ensure that supporters do have a say and can make sure their clubs are being run sustainably so that future generations can enjoy them as much as we do.
As a rugby league supporter I do of course have my own personal opinions on licensing but these are certainly not something I push through my role as Rugby League Supporters Trusts Development Officer with Supporters Direct.
The conference is for people to find out more about Supporters Direct and the good work being done by supporters trusts across rugby league. The aim is to show that there is an alternative to the boom and bust scenario we are seeing so much of at the moment.
Laura Harrison
Supporters Direct
I apologise, I must have mistaken you with another group. I'll delete the above post.
Keep up the good work!
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http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-27135033/
Says that he might be going to a SL club, but at 29 I think he has left it a bit late to step back up to SL level.
Dissappointed that he'll leave this way.
He's been the best servant of Widnes RL through a very difficult time and wish him all the best hopefully at a Super League club.
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Maximus Decimus:
Do you honestly want the Crusaders to succeed in Wrexham? Because you disagree with the way the club was allowed into the competition or because you disagree with the way the game has been and is being developed in Wales, you would, in all honesty, prefer that the Crusaders fail. Right?
A Wrexham failure would prove that you were right all along on the way that the game ought to be organised and developed.
I thought that an average attendance of 5000 was really positive news given the circumstances back in January but obviously not!
Have you been to Wrexham to see a game? I know it's not your club but seeing that you have an interest in the club's future and seeing that it isn't far from Widnes, I'd suggest that you come along to the game against Hull KR and see for yourself that there are many fans who share the sentiments of the new supporter quoted by Jannerboyuk in his original post.
Get a life. You know nothing about me and don't try and imply that you do.
Instead of resorting to a pathetic personal attack, try and point out where I've been wrong or haven't used facts.
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I'd like to point out that a population of approx 700,000 and no pro rugby and no league football existing in N. Wales, makes the expansion a worthwhile gamble. At the saints game I took two people, who'd never seen a live game of RL, even after losing, one has commited to being a season ticket holder for next season,the other deffo coming to the KR game. Little by little this expansionism is working, with 4000 more RL fans in N.Wales than before,and numerous schools etc starting to play the game.IMO all this makes sticking with N.Wales a positive option. As for the scorpions, many of us in wrexham hope this succeeds, and many young welsh players get their break with crus in SL. So much so that I've even contributed to sponsoring a scorpions game in S. Wales. So hopefully most negativity to this topic can be put to bed,and all get behind the RFL and make Wrexham and the Crusaders the success that RL needs.
I don't think there is much negativity on this topic. I certainly didn't aim to come across that way, I would always suggest caution with getting carried away but pretty much the whole game thinks they deserve their chance and they do. There hasn't been a single person on this thread who hasn't said that.
Handled well this could be great for RL but some of that success would have to go down to the work done and the lessons learned in Bridgend.
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It's one thing having a discussion and it's another thing going over the same arguement without any progress and appearing to squabble endlessly. Other posters are making points but you two seem to be overlooking most of this to continue your disagreement.
I'd agree with Dally, there was no personal abuse. Simply a disagreement. Without disagreements nobody would ever go on forums.
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Is it possible you two can bring this back to being constructive or PM each other with your disagreements?
It amazes me what some people expect from a discussion board.
Vikings announce financial figures
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Sorry Mick but writing in the style of a child doesn't mean that everybody understands it.