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  1. 58 minutes ago, snapski said:

    Hull would be desperate if it wasn’t for sharing a football teams ground. In all honesty should be swapping places with Wakefield at the end of the season. Sport should always have the jeopardy of promotion and relegation

    1. We're not bottom. 

    2. The football team don't own the ground. If it wasn't for the rugby team, it wouldn't have been built. 

    3. Even if it was their ground, so what? Seems a cheap point to make.

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  2. 4 hours ago, MZH said:

    Latest rumour on the Hull FC merry-go-round is that Elliott Whitehead will be announced soon. I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

    Obviously he's getting on a bit now, but he's still a great leader and competitor and would only be good for the dressing room, even if it was just for a season.

    With Bateman on the market, would be amazing to pair them up again! 

    Definitely asking for too much 🤣

  3. 26 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

    Going to be interesting to see who he brings with him.  
    Grix was brought in as an assistant but JC won’t know much about him, Ellis was defence coach, then left and has now returned - maybe not enough experience.  Briers?  I bloody hope so!

     

    Briers rejected a head coach role with us reportedly, so I doubt he's going to come as an assistant!

  4. 48 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

    There will of course be huge crossover.....I'd guess a very large proportion of Cas fans also watch football...and many will attend games but still count football as there main love 

    Also in your 6k you've assumed all of them come from within Cas. A VERY big assumption. Plenty from the surrounding areas will be coming in so it won't be 6/45 %

    Didn't see you'd made the same points as me. 

    These are 2 huge flaws in his use of statistics. 

    I suppose we can also take into account that some fans from within Cas may also travel outside of Cas to watch other rugby league clubs. 

     

    Are we including semi pro clubs also out of interest?

  5. 4 hours ago, dboy said:

    Cas have about 6k attendees; there is no way more than 6k leave Cas each week to watch pro soccer.

    Did you not just say this to me earlier after a rather patronising post about me not knowing "sociology and statistics"...

    19 hours ago, dboy said:

    No, I explicitly point out that fans come from outside "catchment". EG Cas drawing from the east of their designated catchment... Selby/Goole and everything in between etc.

    So if you acknowledge that some fans travel from outside Cas, why have you implied all 6k of Cas' supporters come from the town itself? 

     

    4 hours ago, dboy said:

    Cas population is 45k.

    12k people attending either pro-soccer, or pro RL would be more than 25% of the towns population - that just cannot be the case. It's statistically unachievable

    You've made the mistake here of assuming that none of the RL fans attend football. Either that or you've double counted them, which would make comparing them to the town's population pointless.

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  6. 4 hours ago, dboy said:

    Don't lose the point that my bone of contention was the notion that, under no metric can places be described as rugby towns.

    If we're describing rugby towns as places where the game is very popular, sure. 

    If we're describing rugby turns as places where the game is the most popular, no.

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  7. 18 hours ago, dboy said:

    10k Sts fans + 20,000 people who travel out of St H, to watch pro soccer? 30k active soccer & RL attendees?

    Population 180,000 = almost 20% of the population!

    Extrapolate this nationally (55m), you're saying over 10 million people attend pro RL and pro soccer each week.

    Liverpool's population is 500k - if 20% of those attended pro soccer, Liverpool and Everton's attendance would be 100k without away fans. Where will they put the fans from St Helen's!?

    That's before you extend the principle to Chester, Chorley, Morecambe, Southport, anywhere, everywhere...

    Of course these are hack figures, but they demonstrate completely the flaw of the principle you are suggesting.

    I'd suggest that just about all the 500k people in Liverpool would describe themselves as a soccer fan too.

    There's a lot of flaws in your logic here. 

    Firstly, you're assuming that those that attend rugby league teams only come from those towns. Do Cas only attract people from Cas? Saints from St Helens? Or do people come from out of town also? This reduces that figure down. 

    Secondly, there are numerous football clubs people support in these places, not just the big neighbours.

    Thirdly, if we include amateur clubs, the total number of people involved in not just spectating, but participating and volunteering at amateur level will dwarf rugby if both codes combined in all of these areas at every age level.

    Rugby is second in every town to football in practically every metric.

    For the record, Hull City averaged 21,980 this season. That's more than FC and KR combined and for more games.

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  8. On 13/05/2024 at 02:10, Click said:

    I feel like Hull are in a tough situation with Houghton. 

    He is a player that has been at the club for, I believe the comms team said 18 years.. He is a fan favourite, a club legend.. etc. And he is a good player - But he has been there throughout all of this, as what I would call a club captain (I am not sure if he is "offically" captain). I honestly think Hull will be better when he retires and they are able to start fresh. 

    Hull have gone through numerous coaches over the last however many years, but Houghton has always been there, I don't think he is the one creating a "bad culture" necessarily, but he doesn't seem to have ever been the one to be able to motivate his teammates, whether that be in game or in training it seems. 

    Hooker is such an important position in todays game, and as he has got older his threat has been less and less, I want to say any other "big" club would have brought in a new hooker by now, but Wigan stuck with Powell for years.

    It's an interesting take and one I've thought about in the past. 

    One thing that raised concerns for be recently was a Houghton interview not long after Smith was sacked. He said he didn't understand the comments about their being a bad culture and that he didn't think there was one. Sorry Danny, but if you can't see the issues, you're clearly part of the problem. If he thinks what we're doing is good enough and that's the results we're getting, no wonder we're in this state. 

    We not only need someone to tell us what to do, but also to convince us that we need telling what to do in the first place!

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  9. 42 minutes ago, Worzel said:

    I think I’ve spotted the issue. Hull FC have been practicing letting people through the defensive line as a warm up 😬😳😳

     

    Unfortunately, that's not THE issue. It's just AN issue. One of many. 

    I mean, in this video, there's at least two. One being the effortless warm up, the other being someone at the club thinking this is decent prep and feeling it's good enough to share online!

  10. 4 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

    This result means that London will not go winless in Super League thus season. The last club to do so being Halifax in 2003 who had two points deducted having beaten....London Broncos 24-22 at Griffin Park.

    They didn't go winless, you just showed that they won. Pointless, but not winless.

    The only winless team in the SL era are Toronto Wolfpack.

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  11. 4 hours ago, Dave W said:

    If SL clubs can't be bothered with it, why not have their participation optional?

    It's an RFL competition. Include them all in the last 32 draw but allow them to opt out if they they think it's a game too far/meaningless competition/other priorities etc.  Call their bluff!

    Part of the problem is the Road to Wembley is ridiculously short for too many teams.

    If any SL teams opted out, the cup would soon be dead. Would lose it's credibility completely.

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