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11 hours ago, Dave T said:
I'm not sure why Lancs v Yorks with 8 to 10k is any better than Eng v France with similar?
Surely an England game with a proper England camp is better than 2 x Lancs /Yorks camps?
I'm not ashamed of Northern roots, but most of us aren't from Lancashire nor have any link to it.
England v France mid-season has never broken 9k, and that's with the luxury of being played on the weekend.
Roses matches in the summer era broke that twice with midweek fixtures.
It wouldn't be a proper England camp though. It would be missing many of the top players from NRL, played at the intensity of a game with lower SL opposition. If you're not going to have a proper camp, might as well give more English players a go with a higher intensity.
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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:
That makes it very easy for a Roses match to be a success. You've set the bar at "just play it".
The bar is "better than what we currently have."
I believe in many areas, it would be.
An international has the bar of being an international-calibre event, of which none of the mid-season tests have been.
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3 hours ago, Damien said:
People not wanting Lancashire v Yorkshire is not because they are ashamed of our Northern roots. It is because it is not very good.
The vast majority of people I've spoken to would prefer it over a game v France or Exile.
But admittedly, that's from a Yorkshire perspective.
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59 minutes ago, Damien said:
You mean like playing Lancashire v Yorkshire for the 92nd time?
It's been done 3 seasons in the full time summer era. Only one game was on a Friday/weekend. Rest midweek. And still had better crowds than England v France on a Saturday mid season.
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2 hours ago, Dave T said:
If your results are broadly similar (crowds, commercials, tv etc) then international RL should be a far higher priority than trying to bring something that's died a few times back to life.
If they can't do it in a credible way due to matters out of their control (releasing of NRL players, credible competition, etc), I don't think they should prioritise it at all. It's not a proper international, and those that perceive it as being one are more likely to be put off future internationals.
2 hours ago, Dave T said:The Challenge should be making a mid-season international work rather than looking at something like this imo.
Beyond our control due to the NRL. Only way it would work would be over there. You ain't getting them to send a team, their English-based NRL players won't come for a nothing fixture, there's no credible competition over here except France and they can't put out a decent side due to players being pulled.
2 hours ago, Dave T said:Let's be blunt, if we stage a Roses match it'll be similar to an international versus France, but it'll reinforce that our sport is for Northerners and others should turn away.
If this would draw 20k and big viewing figures you can ride that, but not when it doesn't bring the tangible benefits.
I think it would be supported better than a nothing fixture against France personally. Also, we need to stop being ashamed of our Northern roots. There's nothing wrong with specifically celebrating them at least once!
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2 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:
The problem seems to be though that the choice is between doing something badly or doing nothing at all.
It's a bit of a predicament for the sport.
One harms the brand we're trying to develop for international fixtures. The other doesn't. That's why I'm more inclined to go for the Roses.
The only credible England international fixture we could arrange would have to be Down Under due to the logistics of having credible opposition (not getting it over here mid-season). I reckon you could send a small group Down Under (we've got a lot of NRL talent now) and have enough hungry fringe players left here to have a Roses match trying to fight their way into selection for the end of the season if we needed to host something here every year.
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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:
Replacing doing one thing badly with doing another badly doesn't really feel like progress.
"Badly" is subjective, and both the parameters used to measure what badly is are different for an international fixture and a non-international rep fixture.
The international is done badly when compared to other international competition.
The Roses fixture has no comparison here. It's its own entity.
That's my point really. One is 'done badly' and harms the building of interest for the international brand rather than adds to it. The other is just 'done'.
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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:
In my view, we should note just how badly the mid season internationals (and, indeed, end of season ones) are done and realise that the Roses will be done by the same people, in the same way. They won't magically have more money or more commitment.
I don't expect it to have more money for commitment. But at least it will achieve similar (if not more) than the current internationals we put on (i.e. a competitive match, and not an event that is an embarrassment to the idea of international sport).
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When people can saying WotR "failed", what measure are we using here?
Crowd-wise, it did ok with very little promotion.
The result wasn't predictable.
It gave lots of players a run-out in a rep environment.
It produced some great merchandise (I'm literally sat with my Yorkshire shirt on from 2003).
Currently, any mid-season international ends up either being predictable, doesn't bring in the best players available, or has such a poor turnout that it damages international RL's credibility.
Either do it properly, or if you can't then do something else. We can't, so do something else until we can. (At least we're finally playing the mid-season game in France).
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Confirmed by Rovers.
I heard on Humberside they're digging Tom Davies next year, so this makes sense now.
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36 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:
too many of these made up jobs that have no benefit to the club or the team - all u need is - the coach - the assistant coach - the bloke with the magic sponge and the bucket - the bloke with the magic sponge and the buckets MRS to wash the kits and do the HT refreshments.
By identifying all of those roles, you've pretty much done the job of the Director of Rugby.
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3 hours ago, Gomersall said:
Most people in the U.K. follow football but it depends what you define as follow. IMO more people from the city of KuH attend professional RL matches on a regular basis even though, currently, Hull City’s attendances are slightly higher than the two RL clubs combined. This is because, again IMO, a higher percentage of football fans come from outside of the city.
Despite having many rugby league friends, I often find football is the more prevalent topic of conversation. It's the most watched in pubs when I play darts around the city in the Thursday (even European games). It's unprecedentedly more popular amongst young people from when I was teaching. There's just no question.
City get a higher combined attendance currently. Even if many are from out of town, think how many Leeds fans, Man City fans, Man Utd fans, Liverpool fans, Arsenal fans, Chelsea fans, etc. there are.
Football is just so much more inclusive due to how easy it is to play, how accessible it is follow, watch and play. You can't get away from it. It'll always be more widely followed here.
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16 minutes ago, MZH said:
Oh well, nothing to see here. Just jam tomorrow. It's the hope that kills you.
No Saudi oil money for us.
The dream was funny whilst it lasted
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1 hour ago, Old Frightful said:
Adam Pearson is the "special guest" on Radio Blundersard from 6pm toneet.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_humberside
Should be worth a listen...
Absolutely nothing of note came out of that.
"We've hopefully got some investors. They're not from Hull."
"We've been working with the new DoR for a while. Can't name him though."
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20 minutes ago, Old Frightful said:
I've probably told this story before but...
Some years back, Hull FC held a fans' forum with a panel featuring owner Adam Pearson, head coach Lee Radford and new signings Mahe Fonua and Sika Manu, all facing questions from both supporters and BBC Radio Humberside's Gwylym Lloyd.
The evening was going very well with an air of positivity about it all.
Then the intrepid BBC reporter Gwylym tried to ascertain how serious the two new signings were taking their contracts and wanted to know if they would put 100% effort into their performances on the field.
"So you haven't come here for a holiday then?" asked Gwylym.
Struggling to keep a straight face, Lee Radford jumped in with "You've lived in this city long enough Gwylym, nobody comes to Hull for a holiday".
It was a good five minutes before the hysteria had died down and any more questions were submitted.
One thing you could never knock Radford for. Always quick-witted.
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Hearing Nu Brown has left too
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6 minutes ago, MZH said:
Lots of rumours doing the rounds at the minute. Potentially the most significant one is that the club has been sold to Malcolm Walker and will be announced very soon. Malcolm Walker is from Hull and a former Hull FC player. He owns Victoria Plum and is worth upwards of £200m
Would be the best news in a long time if this turns out to be true.
Hope you're right.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-fc-verge-fresh-investment-9219523
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1 minute ago, Ant said:
How many coaches will Hull sack until they figure out that maybe it's not a coaching issue?
Like I've said, there's definitely more to it than just coaching. But that doesn't mean it's not coaching also. 4 drubbings on the bounce and only 1 win (just) since August tells a lot.
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I'm hearing there's more news to come.
I hope so. We've gone backwards in pretty much every metric in the last year and a bit. On the field has been the worst it's been since we moved to the new stadium. For those that say you can't blame the coach for that, I say you can't not blame him for any of it. He's still got to get the players playing, and he's just not done that in spectacular fashion.
There's a lot of people that need to leave our club, and a lot that need to come in. That won't happen unless the people coming in first are new investors.
Please, let the new people coming in be new investors!
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5 minutes ago, Damien said:
It's hardly a surprise given Hull's performances this season. They really need to get the next appointment right.
How many years has that been said?
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It's a shame Moi Moi was greedy and wanted his name repeating otherwise he could have been in such esteemed company.
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Just now, Tommygilf said:
I can see that, I think there is space for inter divisional competitions. Equally I'm surprised there was no element of play offs explored following the end of the 8s.
Perhaps a 16 team Challenge cup, group stages with 4 championships qualifiers is where the opportunity may lie.
Personally, I'd have had top of Championship promoted, and bottom 2 SL clubs enter into the Championship playoffs. One guaranteed relegation, with potential for two.
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I think the S8s showed there was a real appetite for inter-division competition.
But I think the consensus by most was 7 weeks + final was too long.
Naturally, we never explored the concept of playoffs between top and bottom clubs again in another form.
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War of the Roses (Again)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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There's no other way? You mean a Wednesday night in Bradford is better than a Saturday in Leigh or Warrington?
There's loads of other ways that could have done it better, and I'm not sure where this "had far more marketing" line is coming from. What was this marketing that I missed?