RP London
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5 minutes ago, Griff said:
She's not a doctor. He had been signed off by a physio with equal qualifications and vastly more experience.
except he was not the "designated club doctor", she was and it is the "designated club doctor" who needs to do this. In the same way as a company has a dedicated Health & Safety officer who is the final person that has to sign off documents, even if someone in the company has done more courses than them that doesn't matter.
She is named as the person that needs to sign this stuff off, she did not do that, that is a clear breach of the protocols, whether that suits your argument or not.
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Just now, Griff said:
Often overlooked that Matty Marsh had passed all his tests.
except the doctor had not signed him off which is the final test.
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2 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said:
Marsh doesnt play, no original casel, no appeal, no costs
Fixed it for you
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Just now, Griff said:
No original case, no appeal, no costs.
so you dont think the original case of someone not following return to play protocols and playing a player that was not ready to play was serious enough to have a tribunal case against?
further prolonged time away from the game/work (which is what happened here IIRC), Nero degenerative issues can increase, Second impact syndrome (rare) can kill you https://www.return2play.org.uk/concussion/#:~:text=Prolonged symptoms – sometimes referred to,Back to top
These are important protocols and are taken seriously for a reason.
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1 hour ago, RigbyLuger said:
Lock him in a cupboard so he couldn't be picked? Do the clubs want their hands held on everything they do?
I believe that is the new process as the coaches cannot be trusted to act like responsible adults and follow simple rules. Every concussed player is now locked in a different cupboard depending on which part of the return to play protocol they are on and they move to a different, lighter, cupboard as they move through the protocols. the quality of the cupboards and their capacity vs an average of the previous 3 years worth of club concussions will be added to the IMG gradings for 2026, some clubs are now hastily building extensions to their cupboards.
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18 hours ago, JohnM said:
The trade press is in my view, perfectly entitled to take an editorial view on this and in other matters such as "Re-imagining Rugby League" or the Nigel Wood situation. This is no different iny view to the Guardian taking a left of centre view or the Telegraph taking a right of centre view. I don't think that for example, League Express has ever shied away from publishing dissenting views, either, nor has the forum shut down criticism of its position.
My view is that Aston has contributed a huge amount to the sport but has failed to adapt to a changing landscape and indeed by his actions has actively tried to stay in the past. His time came...and now it's gone.
Got to agree with the last paragraph.
Aston acted against the best long term interests of the players. The coaches role has developed more so than ever to a custodian of the players long term health and wellbeing and there are now strict rules and procedures around that. Procedures put in place to hold coaches to account and to make sure the players are kept safe because the coaches cannot be trusted to not make the decision based on the desire to win (or for some preserving their job, if the next loss could see them sacked, and that's understandable in a way hence the procedures are needed).
He broke them, he did not look after a player in his charge properly. He should simply take the punishment and move on IMHO (and looking at the club at the moment I think move on maybe in more ways than one).
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16 hours ago, N2022 said:
Just bought tickets. Great value on the green category. £100 for adult and 2 kids and view is decent. Really looking forward to it. Having seen Stokes and Leach make those runs at Headingley, am hoping we'll see similar drama and outcome, for the match at least.
I bloody hope there isnt similar drama, not sure I could take it... lets just hammer them
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1 hour ago, Ethereal said:
You can't get a baby in one month by hiring nine women.
I am absolutely steeling that analogy!!
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8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
As an ex MD like yourself I should imagine, I looked at our strengths and weaknesses.
But when you look to invest one of the weaknesses now is a massive lack of any governance and of any security that tomorrow wont be fundamentally different to today on the whim of one or two people who have decided it just doesnt suit them anymore. I'd be surprised many people would want to invest in a sport where owners are happy to disregard things like proper corporate governance and Sport England governance practice.
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6 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Reality check.
"Your investment could go down as well as up".
And considering this is Rugby League and if you look at those who do invest in the sport for arguments sake let's take it from the top to recognise the owners
HKR - Neil Hudgell, local lad
Wigan - Mike Danson, local lad
Leigh - Derek Beaumont, local lad
Leeds - Paul Caddick - Castleford lad, Leeds Buisness man
St Helens - Eamon McManus - local lad
Wakefield - Matt Ellis -local lad
Hull FC - Andrew Thirkill - ex Leeds Director, daughters partner is clubs DoR.
Catalan Dragons - Bernard Guasch - local lad
Warrington Wolves - Simon Moran - local lad
Castleford Tigers - Martin Jepson - lifelong Castleford fan.
Huddersfield - Ken Davy - local business man for 63 years
Salford - local consortium and fans ownership.
Those who invest have an intrinsict reason for doing so, being fans prior to making good, and I would say they know what they are getting into, and most probably not in the true sense of investment to make money.
yes over the years we have attracted local people... that doesnt mean thats all we should be looking to attract. By behaving like this that is all you will attract though.
The argument is poor Harry and as an ex MD i am amazed you cannot see how behaving like this has just massivly ramped up the risk profile that will put a bunch of people off..
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8 minutes ago, Martyn Sadler said:
It's not a private equity company and it would be looking at a whole-game strategy to raise value, not at individual clubs.
The strategic planning group's remit is to create a governance structure that would facilitate that investment.
If they can get it right, the rewards are potentially transformative.
Finger crossed this all works out but the way they've gone about it and running roughshod over their own policies (or just not understanding them) and that of Sport England too is pretty poor IMHO
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9 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Morning RP
Two sides to that scenario, could it be potential investors have considered how the game is/has been governed and that has put them off?
Those potential 'wealthy people' considering to invest could well have made their fortunes in very much the same ilk that those club owners who you consider not to be good for the sport and maybe put more trust in those than who have previously ran the show.
Could be that the risk factor of your investment just got more appealing!
Nobody knows how this is going to pan out, it is pure speculation from all sides and I would go as far to say some are not considering it may prove to be a successful move but are just looking at the personalities involved and just want it to fail above all else.
I haven't said that those club owners are not good for the sport, they obviously are great for their clubs, what they shouldn't be doing is getting involved in the governance of the sport in the way that they have by going against the actual policies of the sport and of Sport England. that is just good governance.
The fact that now the risk assessment will include "on some narcissists whim" is the ridiculousness.
Of course what comes out of this might be great, I 100% have not said anything contrary to that.. but the risk is that next week they do it again and change it again, there is no governance to stop this now, it has happened once and could happen again.. THAT is my issue and that is why people will question whether it is a wise decisions becuase the risk is too large IMHO
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9 minutes ago, JohnM said:
Despite some people on here still genuflecting at the mere mention of their "Mr." betters, scrabbling for the scraps that fall from the Masters table. It is beyond debate that the game is NOT the personal property of a few club owners, despite them treating it as such. Its the property of all of us, yet our collective financial contribution is being totally ignored.
Not "no taxation without representation" but maybe "no fan contribution without representation"
The owners' (or rather the CEOs) job is to run the clubs, holding them in trust for the fans.
They do not necessarily have the capability or neutrality to do things in the best interests of the game.
Assuning that the "review" has not taken place yet, it must mean that the CEO carries on with the "Re-imagining" project.
As for "Patience is a Virtue" , why didn't the critics of the "Re-imagining" adopt the same patience?
They 100% will not be acting in the "best interests of the game" they will 100% be acting in the best interests of themselves, that why they sport has governance rules, its why sport England has governance rules. The 2 things can be the same of course (their interest and the interests of the game as whole) but it is highly unlikely.
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56 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
What would happen Ginge if those said blokes stopped financing their clubs, if you are convinced ready willing replacements are there to take their place then fine.
Yes I do Wang on about the community side of the sport and lack of investment from the governing body, but without the contribution by the 'richer club's' then the RFL would be even poorer.
To be fair, and I have said this before on this thread, dont you think that the way they have behaved in terms of ousting a chairman and going against the basic governance rules of the organisation and of Sport England, governance rules that are on their own website, may well be putting off other, more wealthy people, looking at the sport as a possible investment area.
to invest your money into a sport where some other owner of another club could suddenly destroy the governance, change the state of the game, the pathway that you have planned for and put in one that you may have to completely rip up your own strategy and start again after investing £XYZ in the previous strategy.
I honestly think these actions fundamentally damage this potential. I would suggest anyone from outside looking in with a large wallet would not want to put any money in after this.. The risk factor of your investment has just rocketed
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4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:
I have given you a like but I reckon mine is from a different angle to your other likes.
That describes the RFL to a tee, in the main promoting from within the hollowed walls.
Now those who are looking from a different perspective and wanting change are those you describe, people who have made good who are among those who run extremely good and profitable companies, who can bring hew ideas innovations etc
yes and no... I dont like DB and the way he does things but he has done a great job at leigh.. but I dont agree with you when it comes to the RFL.. for me the best leadership (and I use that word specifically) that I remember at the RFL was Richard Lewis.
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14 hours ago, Dave T said:
It always confuses me who you're mocking with this kind of post you repeat over and over.
Its the same thought process that permeates through RL... those that are "in the game" at the higher levels MUST know best, those from another background whose experiences maybe from a different industry have no worthwhile input.. its the same type of issue that seeps through places like the NHS where Process and Change specialists cannot get to win contracts if they have never already worked with the NHS.. therefore they never get best practice from other organisations, where as many/most extremely good and profitable companies actively look outside of their organisation/industry for new ideas, innovations etc..
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1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:
Pardon my ignorance on the matter but doesnt it work something like this
Players /staff get a wage packet on which tax and NI is taken and paid to HMRC. So have Salford have taken it off the players/staff knowing they will not pay it to HMRC?
basically yes.. you have a bill every month/quarter to pay to HMRC and its up to you to pay it.. it is taken off the amount you pay the staff but its your responsibility to then pay that over to HMRC..
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14 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:
What a shame as I was going to get my friends to sign a petition to waive my personal tax bill. We'd even planned the night out to celebrate
obviously you were going to save the receipts form the night out so you could claim the VAT back too.
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9 minutes ago, phiggins said:
It wasn't a serious post.
honestly its hard to tell at the moment!
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1 hour ago, phiggins said:
Salford fans have started a petition to stop the order.
Unless the petition is on a just giving page linked to donations its not going to do anything.. when HMRC decide its time for them to get their money you either pay up or get wound up, there isnt much a petition will do about it.
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50 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:
Agree with all of this - I was just acknowledging it's Oxen and this is a gift horse for them! I think the ball detail is enough of a nod to the game being in America.
Re NRL teams - Panthers wore a one off jersey (which is marked as alternate on the link below) and so did the Raiders. I haven't seen them wear these jerseys again so I assume they were specifically for Vegas. The Panthers one is incredible by the way! Main point is, I don't mind a 'one off' jersey but it doesn't need to be gimicky.
Did someone suck all the air out of the person in the Dolphins away top?? like one of those vacuum storage bags!
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7 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
It seems unnecessary to me and just an excuse to sell another shirt, I would think that if they are trying to introduce the sport to the USA the teams should wear their traditional colours for brand recognition.
Not sure Ive seen the NFL teams incorporate a Union Flag into their kits when they play in the UK? (I could be wrong)
The NFL have quite strict rules about the "uniforms" only allowed a certain number, not allowed to change all the time (Denver had a "significant rebrand" last year and it was literally adding a bit of colour in the shape of mountains to the jerseys. But that was the first change in something like 8 years.. ) they can have the odd "throw back" set including helmet but that is it.. nothing for the UK specifically.
Not a huge change to the 2 kits this year, Wire just a tweak of their traditional shirt, same badge etc Wigan's i thought was quite tastefully done with the shirt staying the majority the same but a nice play on the fact they were red and white hoops, like the flag.. assume to appeal to a US audience who may be looking to buy a shirt and thinking it might get them ahead of the others with a US audience, would be interesting to see the figures and if it worked.
Neither had a special magic weekend shirt IIRC which they have done quite a lot in the past, so is it "another additional shirt" or will they have the same amount this year as last but just for different occasions (FWIW its still too many shirts IMO, 2 is enough if done properly... heritage/charity for magic at a push).
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1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:
At least RFL strategy is no longer a 404 error. But it seems that a 404 error is still the (interim) RFL Chair. Fun times!
Its the most effective one we have had for a while!
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22 minutes ago, fighting irish said:
Yes, of course.
Do you ever wonder if some people prefer servitude to independence?
There are some very interesting studies in anthropology about that especially with countries that lurch from one authoritarian regime to another..
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Protests at Eagles v Hunslet game
in The General Rugby League Forum
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I love the "well they did it too".. that's irrelevant to whether Aston is guilty or not.. it's like a burglar caught red handed saying "yeah but John did it too?" Ok then John also gets prosecuted but so do you.
There may be other issues, the RFL certainly are not exempt from blame on points and they are working to correct them (I have said this from the start of you want to go back and look) but none of that exempts aston from blame or exempts him from a ban.
He did wrong, if he held his hands up, realised he cocked up etc his ban wouldn't have been as long (look at Mick Heyes for that).. the RFL admit they can do things better hence they have made changes..
Yes the super league club should also be investigated and IF found to have committed similar offences then similar punishments should be handed out, if they don't it's a poor look, but it doesn't mean Aston is any less guilty..