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14 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:
What a shame as I was going to get my friends to sign a petition to waive my personal tax bill. We'd even planned the night out to celebrate
obviously you were going to save the receipts form the night out so you could claim the VAT back too.
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9 minutes ago, phiggins said:
It wasn't a serious post.
honestly its hard to tell at the moment!
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1 hour ago, phiggins said:
Salford fans have started a petition to stop the order.
Unless the petition is on a just giving page linked to donations its not going to do anything.. when HMRC decide its time for them to get their money you either pay up or get wound up, there isnt much a petition will do about it.
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50 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:
Agree with all of this - I was just acknowledging it's Oxen and this is a gift horse for them! I think the ball detail is enough of a nod to the game being in America.
Re NRL teams - Panthers wore a one off jersey (which is marked as alternate on the link below) and so did the Raiders. I haven't seen them wear these jerseys again so I assume they were specifically for Vegas. The Panthers one is incredible by the way! Main point is, I don't mind a 'one off' jersey but it doesn't need to be gimicky.
Did someone suck all the air out of the person in the Dolphins away top?? like one of those vacuum storage bags!
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7 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
It seems unnecessary to me and just an excuse to sell another shirt, I would think that if they are trying to introduce the sport to the USA the teams should wear their traditional colours for brand recognition.
Not sure Ive seen the NFL teams incorporate a Union Flag into their kits when they play in the UK? (I could be wrong)
The NFL have quite strict rules about the "uniforms" only allowed a certain number, not allowed to change all the time (Denver had a "significant rebrand" last year and it was literally adding a bit of colour in the shape of mountains to the jerseys. But that was the first change in something like 8 years.. ) they can have the odd "throw back" set including helmet but that is it.. nothing for the UK specifically.
Not a huge change to the 2 kits this year, Wire just a tweak of their traditional shirt, same badge etc Wigan's i thought was quite tastefully done with the shirt staying the majority the same but a nice play on the fact they were red and white hoops, like the flag.. assume to appeal to a US audience who may be looking to buy a shirt and thinking it might get them ahead of the others with a US audience, would be interesting to see the figures and if it worked.
Neither had a special magic weekend shirt IIRC which they have done quite a lot in the past, so is it "another additional shirt" or will they have the same amount this year as last but just for different occasions (FWIW its still too many shirts IMO, 2 is enough if done properly... heritage/charity for magic at a push).
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1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:
At least RFL strategy is no longer a 404 error. But it seems that a 404 error is still the (interim) RFL Chair. Fun times!
Its the most effective one we have had for a while!
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22 minutes ago, fighting irish said:
Yes, of course.
Do you ever wonder if some people prefer servitude to independence?
There are some very interesting studies in anthropology about that especially with countries that lurch from one authoritarian regime to another..
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49 minutes ago, fighting irish said:
It's pure prehistoric tribalism. The desire to be part of something big (and for relative anonymity). The bigger the better. To blend in. It harks back to pre-conscious days. It's how they got the pyramids built.
That and slave labour!
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2 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:
Just had a scary thought!
Oxen have two clubs going to vegas next year!!
dont be scared.. heres a sneak preview
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On 04/05/2025 at 14:55, GeordieSaint said:
It won’t be a strategic review anyway. That would involve looking at the whole sport in England. It won’t happen. It’ll be a structure review. Again.
I wouldn’t joke about that. Some RL folk in power make Andrew Brigden look competent.
I am not sure how it could be a strategic review anyway, that would imply there is a strategy to review in the first place.. not seen any sign of one of them for quite a while!
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37 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:
Once again, it's what happens in the real world.
It isnt, its a racial stereotype and its the type of thing that makes games/events etc less inclusive. Some people from that racial category may act like that but in no way is it all and therefore it alienates those that do not see that. What used to be seen as "jokes" is actually part of the problem of bringing different sections of society together. Like it or not THAT is the real world. To perpetuate that with comments as you did means you are part of the problem.
"Tackle like girls", "Throw like girls" etc stops girls wanting to get involved, and yet when they do they add a huge amount to clubs (and how wrong could people be with "tackle like girls" BTW).
Japes/Jibes about race or about sexual orientation (any number of homophobic jokes that belittle someone's effort or toughness by calling them a homosexual slur) stops those from different backgrounds thinking it could be a place for them, yet there are some very wealthy and very astute people who we should be desperately trying to get involved to bring their business acumen into the game, let alone the paying fans (its not like we couldnt do with the cash).
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1 hour ago, Wolford6 said:
You'd never get in. They'd be at the turnstiles haggling over the price.
well this sort of emphasises the point that was made earlier about inclusivity now doesn't it.. nice bit of racial stereotyping!!
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9 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said:
yeah it kind of is.. which highlights my comment about lack of knowledge around such things.
But i would imagine in this case Oxen making a proposal around colour usage of the badge, and the RFL saying yes.The thing is a lot of clubs etc are doing that in many sports, changing the badge to suit the training top/shirt they are wearing, you see it quite a lot in football.
Along with that training tops are often different colours from the rest of the branded things, ie Sheffield Wednesday training kit is some sort of horrible green and grey... terrible..
but it seems to be the way they go.. is Oxen just following the norm but the Kangaroos, Samoa etc are an exception?
I would prefer to have some form of training shirt and polo range that is very similar to the shirt as I'd rather buy those than the shirt itself but that may just be a personal thing.
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23 hours ago, HawkMan said:
My Dad used to tell me about 50s and 60s football, the huge attendances, 70,000 squeezed in for old First Division matches. Rupert Murdoch and his ilk were unknowns then, who was brainwashing the masses then?
This whole brainwashing, or football fans are somehow conned into going spiel is remarkable. Apparently they go under false pretenses, realise they've been conned then suffer amnesia, forget the disappointment and troop along next week. Unless they're too stupid to know they're not enjoying themselves.
Yesterday's Sunderland v Coventry game broke EFL attendance record for a two legged play off tie, over 70,000, wow! 70,000 fools brainwashed by the media, who'd have thought it.
Actually the above mentioned games are perfect examples of why football is popular. I watched both games and the technical skill and entertainment quality was average to poor at best, but that doesn't matter. For fans it's all about bragging rights, community pride, the dream of promotion, getting to the top. Liberal promotion and relegation keeps everyone interested even if the actual match is s***. Look at Wrexham since Ryan Reynolds came in, non league to Championship in three years, no one cares if the games are rubbish, that's the position football is in, an entertainment that doesn't need to be entertaining to prosper.
That's why extolling the merits of RL and how entertaining it is compared to football will never win football fans over, because there's a false assumption that footy fans go just to be entertained, they don't.
I get what you are saying but it isnt 70,000 fools brainwashed in a 2 legged tie becuase there will be a good chunk of them that went to both. It a pedantic point but one worth making IMHO as its a good point you make but people will always pick holes in it if they can..
I was at wembley a few seasons back for Wednesday's successful play off final against Barnsley, I dont go to football as I dont like much of the atmosphere, and can find it quite dull, but for the occasion I went.. wasnt the best game but was tense if you had skin in the game.. it was packed... people get sucked into occasions etc, look at RU internationals and you see the same..
Yet again, on this forum, we come back to (IMHO) we are poor at making the game a spectacle.. more than just the game.. get that right and we will be able to attract more newbies who then get converted..
(dons helmet and walks away)
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3 hours ago, EastLondonMike said:
Thats fair enough Dave - and no doubt plenty will like it. But from a quality POV - again, only IMO, for what its worth - I think it should be of a much higher standard. Quality of product, and quality of the general aesthetic. The changing of colour of the England branding also shows how little both Oxen and the RFL truly respect the brand. The RFL more so.
If they were working from a platform of commercial success over a number of years, having built a successful brand, such a thing could be looked at. But not when you are operating at such a low level.
When the bottom line is the most important aspect, and the importance of quality isn't viewed in the same way - this is what you end up with.I don't really know Oxen from anyone else so I don't necessarily want to be "jumping to their defence".. I'm a brand owner of a couple of brands, surely the fault of the branding is on the RFL not Oxen.. If I just went to a company and said "look i don't really know what our colours are, have a crack and see what you can come up with" then that's exactly what you'd do.. we have quite a big brand guidelines book around colours, fonts, designs, the fact that certain aspects NEVER get used together etc etc.. if the RFL haven't got that then that's on them not Oxen.. and frankly if they have and Oxen aren't sticking to it then that's on the RFL not to sign it off too..
I'm not keen on the training wear with the block patterns on the chest, but you see other sports doing it so might be a "this years fashion" type thing. I quite like the ashes one with the black streaks of Ash on it (base colour aside), I don't mind swirly patters, some of the training stuff held up on here for Samoa and NZ have differing "patterns". But its that base "brand" colour pallet we are lacking and surely that comes from the RFL.
You know more about this than me and these "tweaks" to designs are fashion led, or design led I assume and I 100% agree the base colours should be nailed down but the RFL cannot even decide if we should have blue in the main shirt or not etc.. the branding is surely at their door.
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On 13/05/2025 at 06:26, Tommygilf said:
I mean, in fairness we have just seen a raft of sports just all change policy on LGBT related matters in the past 2 weeks or so.
Very few clubs, in fact I can't think of any others in UK mens football cricket RU or RL, have also carried a Pride flag or similar on their kit and in their branding year round. Some have done special training one off training wear for example and of course have their own inclusivity campaigns.
I'm also not sure any of those sports have had openly gay players (whilst playing) either.
The closest I can think is maybe Lewis Hamilton having a rainbow flag on his helmet for some races?
Its clear to me at least that Keighley are a notable exception in this space.
While not LGBTQI+ related as such Lewis Hamilton did get Mercedes to change their entire livery around the Black Lives Matter campaign.. just as a point of order.
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3 hours ago, RBKnight said:
Yes.... as part of Yorkshire
(All the lands between the Ribble and the Mersey.....)
not quite.. it was included with the information about Cheshire.. even though it was described as between the Ribble and the Mersey.
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1 hour ago, Dave T said:
I'm not against heritage players as such, it's the way sport went a long time ago, but I do think we need to be a touch careful not to go too far down the route of trying to recruit players from the NRL to play for England.
I think we have a good makeup of the England team at the moment, but pushing in this direction can soon see us looking like Scotland RU or similar. Not that it bothers their fans tbh.
Know what you mean. Dont mind parents too much, 1 grandparent but never really visited the country/still playing aborad or living here for 3 years etc seems a stretch though.
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10 hours ago, londonbronco said:
As someone who’s posted just 115 replies on this forum and is a massive rugby league fan, I’ve seen just how many negative replies I get when I bring up expansion or the off-field side of things. Maybe it’s my moniker, but I think it’s important to set the record straight.
Take Salford’s situation. On paper, they finished 4th, which is great, but their financial grade was only a B, not an A. This put them in danger of relegation because the system looks at more than just results on the pitch. It flags up financial risks that could hurt the club in the long run. If the clubs wanted to give more weight to the financial side of things, they could’ve. But they didn’t. In fact, they actually made it easier for clubs to get away with financial struggles by reducing penalties for insolvency. If that doesn’t show where the issue lies, I’m not sure what will.
This isn’t about blaming IMG or the RFL. The clubs had a say in this and chose to water down the system. They’ve made decisions that put short-term flexibility ahead of long-term stability. So, when things go wrong, it’s not on IMG or the RFL. The clubs made the call, and now we’re seeing the results of those decisions.
To be fair most people that you are discussing things with on this thread so far are big supporters of expansion so that doesnt add up.
Out of interest, just looking at the formatting of your posts and the language you are using are you using AI to write/spell/grammar check your posts? not a slight if you are, I do it sometimes at work, just wondering as it reads like it, the formatting of the paragraphs etc look like it and the formatting in terms of changes in fonts and spacings to the regular forum posts look like it too.
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On 01/05/2025 at 17:31, Les Tonks Sidestep said:
The old Sheffield company has continued to be funded : the current Huddersfield club 'company' is the old Sheffield club 'company'. Davey bought it and changed its name from Sheffield Eagles Ltd to Huddersfield-Sheffield Giants Ltd to Huddersfield Gants Ltd...
Yes I know that but that's not the point of what is being said is it? Surely doesn't need to be spelt out that it's about where the money is being spent not what the company registration number is...
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3 hours ago, Griff said:
Mmmm - that's a distorted view of the facts which I'd prefer not to go into at the moment. But it is true that Sheffield received no central funding in either 1984/85 or 1999/2000.
so you dont think that if they had carried on funding sheffield or newcastle to the same amount as they have Huddersfield that there may (stress may as we will never know) have been more to gain than the stagnation at huddersfield?
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20 hours ago, Expatknight said:
You can go back even further than 45 years to the 1930's when there were three teams, I believe, in London, albeit they were short lived, I think one, London Highfield, moved North and finally ended up as Runcorn.
what do they know about Rugby League down south ? it's a northern game for norther people to paraphrase League of Gentlemen
( or so many people think, sadly)
London were Wigan Highfield previously.. about to go bust so bought by the White City Stadium company to play games on a Wednesday night under lights.. players trained in the north and travelled down to play. Funnily enough they didnt last more than a season and moved back north to become Liverpool Stanley.
Streatham & Mitcham and Action & Willesden then came around owned by Sydney Parkes who wanted to start a league of 6 teams in the south. asked the RFL for help, there was quite a lot of interest in the local areas but the RFL didnt help them out, expected him to sort out everything and hence it eventually fell away after 1 season (for A&W) and 1.5 season (for S&M).
A trick was well and truly missed at that point, to have had a "Southern Rugby League" as it was called in the Daily Express, Mail and Telegraph at the time would have been an excellent expansion tool. They had got some good union players across (including George Nepia who was brought over by S&M) and could hold their own, finishing mid table.. so it was possible. But teams up and down what would become the M1 or M40/M6 could have joined that league or the precedent could have been set and a "midlands" league could have been formed.. the whole picture would have been so different.
The fact major papers were covering this potential is something we wouldnt see now.
The RFL not grasping the opportunities is a very long historical story and issue.
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On 29/04/2025 at 10:43, Dave T said:
I'm not convinced they are good examples. It's not a surprise that newer clubs are the ones that go by the wayside.
I don't disagree with the overall principle of the attitudes that prevail in the sport, but I don't think we need to overstate them. And when Sheffield and Gateshead/Newcastle both still exist in the RFL pyramid ita a tough argument to claim they have had their acceptance rescinded.
You dont remember the battle Sheffield had to get back in?? it wasnt a given that was going to happen. Plus the fact that we are able to be in the league with no money etc and look at the state of Huddersfield with all the money that has gone into them.. do you really believe that that money wouldn't have been better spent in Sheffield or Newcastle??? Hull have at least moved forward.
Before anyone says it I know its Ken Davey's money and he wouldnt have spent it in Sheffield but there is also RFL money etc that went there that could have gone to Sheffield or Newcastle instead and potentially brought in a Ken Davey or better to one of those etc... Butterfly effect... the point being was saving Huddersfield at the expense of a Sheffield or Newcastle really in the long term interest of the game if it wanted to grow.. surely the answer is a massive no..
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2 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
I was using said word as a metaphorical exaggeration to ensure an emphasis on my point. Due to this being a common pattern used in casual speech I expected the majority of the receivers of said speech to understand the meaning of my word choice and so not reply with their own pedantic point.
And the vast majority of receivers did appear to understand why I made the vocabularic choice I did and thus indulged my metaphor.
But how can it be that someone called "Anita Bath" is talking to a "Hallucinating Goose" and doesn't get the fact that maybe, just maybe, everything isn't 100% literal.
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Salford financial issues(again…)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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basically yes.. you have a bill every month/quarter to pay to HMRC and its up to you to pay it.. it is taken off the amount you pay the staff but its your responsibility to then pay that over to HMRC..