gingerjon
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1 hour ago, daz39 said:
Well Salford, Wakefield, London, Leigh, managed to 'go on' or were there 3,500 average crowds acceptable due to the smaller grounds they played in?
Salford went bust in catastrophic style. London required a buy out once they were a shell club in the Championship.
Leigh and Wakefield required positive investment beyond just paying the wages of a team and doing nothing more than that.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Stein said:
The Bundesliga, however, will be a duller place without St Pauli.
I'm sure they will be back.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Stein said:
Same with the Bundesliga. It's amazing how much more interesting German football is if you forget the existance of Bayern
Werder for me. I was on a German exchange there when they won the Cup Winners Cup. Dad didn't like football, boy I was with couldn't care less, but the older brother went mental for it.
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Football Against the Enemy (if you haven't read it, do) has a digression about how fans of DDR teams who weren't favoured still went to games and found the joy and defiance where they could.
I've just watched Hearts getting off the bus in Edinburgh and it's all come back to me.
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22 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
St Pauli vs Wolfsburg is on BBC iPlayer now if you cba with the FA Cup final.
Germany’s cult club and district of Hamburg in a relegation battle with the home of Volkswagen.
It’s the last day of the league season and both level on points.
Could be good - 0-0 after 27 mins
Wolfsburg are 1-0 up at half time
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Imagine being a Celtic or Rangers fan. Just a dreary state to be in.
Credit to Hearts for taking it to the 87th minute. They have every right to be proud of their season. This wasn’t a choke like forty years ago.
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36 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:
I'm sure we aren't up there with many viewers favourite countries and this no doubt has an effect, but nowhere near as much as people love to make out. The obvious counter to that argument is Ireland, who have been just as dreadful as we have despite being culturally very popular.
And Ireland, who should hate us, quite often give us decent points.
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3 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:
I get what you're saying about a genuinely popular act.
We would do well. There is a real misunderstanding in the UK that we do badly purely because Europe hates us. My answer to this is that we should send a decent act and test it out.
I'm a Eurovision tragic, and every year I'll have a few songs that I end up adding to the playlist. It has never been a UK one, not even Spaceman. I'm always doing the 'well ours isn't that bad I suppose' line and hoping for the best.
As for a popular act, we sent Blue in 2009 and finished 11th but they were actually 5th in the public vote. Since they changed the format in 2016, it is in the public vote that we are really struggling with. In the 9 years of the public vote, we have received zero twice, less than 10 three times (3, 8, 9), less than 50 three times (12, 25, 46) and one score of 183. For some perspective, purely on average you should received around 85 votes.
It's hard for UK acts because of the fear of what it can do. It certainly didn't help Olly Alexander, whereas Australia can send someone like Delta Goodrem and it won't affect her too much.
We sent Sam Ryder with a good song, excellent staging, and a months long push around Europe. In any other year, he wins comfortably.
As you say, we don't get low voting numbers because Europe hates us. We get low voting numbers because we do some or all of the following every year: poor song, no campaign, not great group/artist, really bad staging.
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In more enjoyable news, looks like the 'we play at each other's home' play off was a belter: Hamilton winning 4-3 in Cumbernauld to beat Clyde 5-4 on aggregate.
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8 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Only just over an hour until the most corrupt game in football.
I won't be watching.
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13 hours ago, marklaspalmas said:
As I said, not today, but within a few years it'll be much less relevant
The only way it becomes less relevant is if RL has grown to such an extent that it really is just a domestic dispute sitting outside of leagues that are compelling and exciting *beyond Origin level* and there is a global game with a prestige that dwarfs it.
I think we're a long way off that.
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12 hours ago, Eddie said:
I’ve been to Dens many times and have literally never heard anything sectarian, ever.
I thought the thing about the Dundee teams was that neither was remotely sectarian? They're literal neighbours after all.
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17 hours ago, Eddie said:
I’ve often wondered what would happen if we entered a band like Oasis into Eurovision. Probably still hardly any votes.
Oasis would do well - if they did the stuff around it. It may have guitars but their stuff, when it works, is all about crowd pleasing populism. That would work: beforehand, in the room, and on the TV on the night for people hearing it for the first time.
Arctic Monkeys - aside from that one song, they ain't going to be bringing the final back to the Coop Live.
In my opinion.
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14 hours ago, Damien said:
It's not a myth at all. Just because they don't like the old firm does not mean they aren't sectarian. Their fans have a rich history showing that. All different incidents on the first page of Google (and there are tons more):
Hearts FC apologise after loyalist song played at stadium during open day for fans
Edinburgh club Hearts FC has said the loyalist song ‘The Sash my Father Wore’ "has no place" at its Tynecastle stadium after social media showed it being played during an open day for fans.
Hearts fans hunted by police over 'appalling' drunken and sectarian behaviour on trains
Up to 10 supporters were involved in the first incident when they caught a train from Edinburgh Waverley to Glasgow Queen Street before the club’s SPFL clash with Celtic .
Passengers complained after the group, who had been drinking, shouted and repeatedly swore after boarding after 10.30am.
A group of more than 30 fans boarded the Bristol Temple Meads to Glasgow Central service at Haymarket station at 1.15pm.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/hearts-fans-hunted-police-over-6540247
Hearts will close a section of Tynecastle for the final two home games of the season in an attempt to curb fan misbehaviour.
Pyrotechnics, coins, hot drinks and a coconut were thrown on to the pitch during Saturday's defeat by Hibernian.
A man has been charged with a hate crime after another incident, and there were three further arrests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47899224
A HEARTS fan said Celtic star Anthony Stokes should be shot last night.
The sick comment came hours after the Hoops striker criticised Jambos supporters for hurling sectarian abuse at him.
David Vivers tweeted: “F*** off you ira b******. Your fans are vile cretins who want shot. So do you u wee p***”.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/you-deserve-shot-stokes-bigoted-4744943
A football fan cleared of assaulting Celtic manager Neil Lennon has been jailed for eight months for a breach of the peace.
John Wilson, 26, was accused of a sectarian attack on the football boss as his side played Hearts at Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh on 11 May.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-14913385
It's definitely there but having been to Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and, indeed, Northern Irish football, sectarianism isn't a defining characteristic of Hearts. There are fans, and sections, that are there for that (I'm sure I've said this before) and it can be a bit startling at times - but it is not remotely close to Rangers or Celtic.
I know with Celtic that it's not quite a mirror of the Orange Lodge endorsing Rangers but I'm not a big fan of people who have to be told that maybe they shouldn't be chanting the name of the organisation that murdered British children in order to move a line on a map. And whose reaction to me writing that will be to hold me, and them, as somehow culpable for King Billy's actions.
To bring it back to football - both sides of the Old Firm have benefited from decisions on and off the pitch for as long as I can remember. Time added on, soft calls in their favour, indulgence on fixtures and regulations etc. The reason everyone who isn't a Celtic fan is reacting the way they are is because, just once, it looked like there was a chance that that grimness might be beaten.
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1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:
Better quality semi-final tonight.
Absolutely pains me to say but Australia nailed it and this could be their year.
I've spent my whole life having them be way better at rugby than us, and now I have to accept them being better than us at Eurovision every year
I will be hearing the Aussie song for the first time in the final. I am worried.
Ours has gone from having really potential to being forgettable and I'm not really sure how. My feeing is you like it at first and expect it to grow but there's just not enough there (performer or song) to make that happen.
We'll get less than 12 from the public vote whereas I thought we stood a chance when it came out.
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2 hours ago, N2022 said:
No disrespect to Walton & Hersham or Folkestone Invicta, who are there on merit, but seeing names like that in the league fixture list is hard for fans of former league clubs. Torquay have experienced a win over Spurs, a Wembley final against Bolton in front of over 45,000. Look at Bournemouth along the coast, at most a division higher for half a century, now on the verge of Champions League football.
If you believe in P&R then can't have a problem with Torquay being relegated whilst others get promoted. It's the system working.
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1 minute ago, RBKnight said:
Six pages, just because a Saints fan is hacked off about being knocked out the cup and it's ruined his season
To be fair, it’s six pages because a Wakefield fan is arguing that black is white.
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Just now, dboy said:
No I'm not. You know fine well the distinction being made is that the first phase of the comp is used to decide the select few who are in the 2nd phase, from where a Champ is found.
You may as well say our Grand Final is FPTP...just between those 2 teams. It's reductionist.
I could say the Grand Final is that but, as it isn't, I won't.
A league system that remains a league system with all points accumulated leading to a champion very much is though.
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1 minute ago, dboy said:
Play fair now. Selective quoting is poor form.
I put "It is a first-past-the-post comp, but it's only that for the top 6. That's a conflation."
Even with that, one time you're saying it's first past the post, the other time you're saying it's not first past the post.
But it remains FPTP for everyone at every stage of the league. The sole exception is after the season and it's the final relegation place.
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10 minutes ago, Griff said:
What ultimately killed off the middle eights were practical matters. Not knowing your fixtures until a couple of weeks before the games, not having time to sell match sponsorships, fans not being able to plan holidays in August. Shocking idea. Very popular with people who knew nothing about running a club, though.
You don't know any play off fixtures until short notice, though.
The reason the 8s died was because only that Middle 8 was worth following. The actual peak of the game had a shockingly dull end of season, and the remainder were meant to care about something called the Championship Shield.
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6 hours ago, dboy said:
It's not first past-the-post.
3 minutes ago, dboy said:It is a first-past-the-post comp,
Good to know
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I can only assume that anyone asking for a triple header at Wembley has never endured one in the non Club Wembley sections of the ground.
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2 minutes ago, Damien said:
My point was more the incident itself, another week and with different teams I think that decision barely gets a mention.
Not sure. It was a weird one. The image was so fuzzy and the players were appealing for something else.
Comparing to SL's video ref is fair. An odd mix of slow then fast, but also a quality that means you really don't see anything clearly.
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1 minute ago, Damien said:
I dont think it was and think there is a lot of hyperbole around this. It was certainly contentious but if you lift your arm like that you are asking for trouble.
There is obviously far more hysteria around this because of the importance and lets face it because its Celtic involved and half of Scotland want them to lose. Then throw in that Hearts are mini Rangers so there is a massive sectarian edge across social media on this.
As an aside we talk about rubbish camera angles and quality but Scottish Football is right up there too. It just shows the drop off once you get outside the glitz of the Prmeier League.
It happens every time for both sides of the vile gruesome twosome. Celtic fans have the very low bar of being 'not Rangers' but they still get every possible decision going every single time. And still they will somehow claim victimhood.
The delay to give a penalty was unseemly and then the haste to give *something* from a fuzzy video was revealing.
The 2026 Attendance Thread
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Neither your post that I replied to, nor the comment you are replying to, talk about being kicked out.