gingerjon
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21 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:
So their wide ranging consultation is taking place today ahead of the announcement tomorrow
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Leak to the press tomorrow.
Announcement when they can be bothered.
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40 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:
Can we work out what we are going to do with the structure below super league before we start out on another expansion down south.Â
How will this succeed when every previous attempt in the last 40 years have failed.
The very real problem is that the structure decided won’t be the one in three years.
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17 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Well what's wrong with the team that only won the 3rd tier European competition being crowned world champions??
The only country in the world who, universally among its real fans, think this is a joke tournament are now its champions. Magnificent. Well done, FIFA.
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58 minutes ago, Josef K said:
I watched Atherton and a few others before the start of play talking about how slow the cricket has become, with needless water breaks, wanting a different ball etc etc. I couldn’t help but shout at the telly which made of one my little granddaughters jump, when i said “BLIMEY YOU WANT TO COME TO A GAME OF RUGBY LEAGUE”.Â
OTOH, and I don’t necessarily agree with this but it’s the counter, Atherton would regard scoring at three an over as dangerously OTT. The game has completely changed since he played.
Short version: there are probably as many scoring shots or meaningful deliveries now even with fewer overs.
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59 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Chelsea are beating PSG 3-0 at half time! Christ, I thought PSG were gonna demolish them!
Chelsea winning is the most fitting outcome of this pre season knockabout.
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Lovely performance from the Lionesses. Ignoring the emotion and focusing on what they need to do.
As things stand, it’s Germany in the next round. If not them, then Sweden.
What an insane draw after this group.
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Just now, Pen-Y-Bont Crusader said:
Apparently..
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Dean Buchan?
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32 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
The attendances have been poor at times and reflected the absolute rip off nature of the prices that FIFA set at the beginning and the kick off times locally.
They get far less annual leave than we do on average and nobody was wasting it to attend a game during the day en masse.
The atmosphere has been great when the South American clubs have been involved and it has passed off peacefully which I didn’t expect after some trouble at the Copa Libertadores between certain teams.
There’s been a lot of complaints over the effects of trying to appeal to a European tv audience at the expense of filling the grounds.
I don’t think I’d fancy the Rose Bowl in Pasadena during the day in the sweltering heat, it’s been poorly organised for sure in terms of managing queues inside and out some of these stadiums.
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Obviously, for a minor tournament like a Club World Cup, you have to contort to fit the supposed ideal for global TV times.
But for the actual World Cup they should kick off at whatever works best for the place it’s being played in. People will tune in.
The issues around stadiums seem to be a lot around transport and they aren’t getting fixed.
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31 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:
No, I just have more faith in IMG, without thinking they are perfect, compared to owners with decades of self interest governing decisions.
I don't say they're blameless, but are blamed by many for things they haven't done.
Literally being blamed for not being able to protect rugby league from itself.
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25 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
I’ve enjoyed the passion and fervour of the fans from South America, Japan and North Africa.
There’s been some good games, goals and the odd surprise that you want from a football tournament.
I do have some sympathy though for those who say if Chelsea win it then it makes a mockery of the title and if PSG deservedly win it then it all seems a little unnecessary - we already estimated that they’re the best.
Some of it has worked well, some of it less so although it’s a plus that it’s passed off peacefully.
It will be here to stay now.
It's underperformed versus the club organised tours that sell out college football stadiums and have done for years. So attendances are almost certainly under the projections and with prices seemingly slashed by hundreds of dollars even for the semi finals, it's taken a lot of discounting to get people in.
It's had less buy in than the Gold Cup which ran alongside it. And MLS also seems to be more important to the US fans right now. Messi is back scoring for Inter Miami in the league already.
Games have mostly been ... fine. Really nothing more than that.
It was always going to make a profit - that's what happens when you get the Saudis to sportswash through you.
Going on reports from attendees - it is going to be carnage for the actual World Cup next year.
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1 hour ago, Exiled Wiganer said:
My point being that IMG’s failure to protect its client from themselves will make their own job very much more difficult.
IMG are being paid off. Their reputation will survive the current incarnation of the RFL's ineptitude.
Whether English RL does or not is another matter.
Either way, the new RFL have had several months to put their distinct mark on the Salford issue and have, because incompetent and lazy, failed to do so.
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1 hour ago, Damien said:
Does Wisconsin have other teams at the same level that represent various areas within it?
Green Bay played in Milwaukee for decades alongside games in Green Bay.
They are very obviously Wisconsin's NFL team.
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3 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Enjoyed the Euros I’ve seen so far - looking forward to the knockouts.
It's been a decent tournament. Crowds have been noisy and involved as well, which I think has helped.
Notable, I think, that goalkeeping really seems to have come on since the last Euros across the board.
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13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Well like others on this thread you seemingly are not able to answer
'In your opinion do you think SL is ready to move to 14 teams'
It's not hard, but obviously taxes you.
It may not be hard, but it’s not straightforward.
Hence a discussion.
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12 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
What did you say then Damien?
You could read it.
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32 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
I believe it was Matt Shaw who said there were discussions to relieve IMG from the contract.
Do you think we are ready for a 14 team Super League, I keep posing the question and it gets ignored.
This is literally a thread discussing a 14 team Super League so how is the question being ignored?
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2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
I must have missed those, I recall Mr McManus mumbling something a while ago but he is very prone to changing his mind isn't he?
My take on it is if we go to 14 teams - which I do not think the league is ready for - and getting rid of the loop fixtures then it could be accepted that Catalan remain and possibly Toulouse join them.
If it happens that we stay as 12 under IMG's system and Toulouse win the GF overtaking Salford on the merit table and are promoted then expect the brown smelly stuff to hit the fan, which SL club is going to vote in 2 French clubs and risk 4 home games against them both in the loop fixtures format?
In either scenario, 3 promoted clubs will not nessacarily be the 13th, 14th, and 15th so we are told on IMG's merit table, and keeping with a 12 team league with Toulouse replacing Salford I would expect that would not be acceptable to incumbent SL clubs, will then IMG carry on with the stigma that they have been dictated to and had their recommendations dispatched to the wate bin by a little regional sport in the north of England?
We’ve already been told that the RFL are breaking into their piggy bank in order to pay off IMG.
So the most likely scenario next season is two French teams in the top division, a division of 14, and a governing body with massively depleted resources in order to pay for breaking a contract.
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Finland become the first team to go out and not really deserve it.
But the noise when Switzerland equalised.
That must have caused an avalanche or two.
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25 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
They are taking retrospective action knowing that certain clubs won't add to the coffers, so they are getting summat instead of nowt.Â
It's not that hard to understand, can you imagine in the boardroom 'well guy's Catalans are coming in a few weeks, we are going to be down on our revenue, if we sell the tickets for a fiver along with a few pints and some pies that's better than having blank spaces.
Which ever way you want to spin it, the realisation is Catalan and if they get in Toulouse don't add to the coffers at individual clubs, if they are both in SL and it is a 12 team comp one or more unlucky clubs could get 4 visits from the French clubs in Loopy fixtures.
Are Warrington one of those clubs who are against 2 French clubs in SL? You have admitted they are a smarter club.!
You are literally agreeing that clubs should, can and do work to increase their home fans as away fans is not a reliable income stream.
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27 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
So taking actions against those clubs they know won't add to the coffers, isn't this Warrington admitting that visiting support does matter ?
I think it's them showing how smarter clubs don't rely on it but take their own steps to get people in.
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4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
As I have just said, with ÂŁ5 entrance to fill the voids.
Oh no. Sounds awful. How can clubs even think about trying different things for different games to increase the attendance?
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4 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said:
And are second rate Aussies really that cheap when you add on housing, travel, visa costs?Â
I don't know - and I'm sure it will be a sometimes yes, sometimes no argument - but they are simpler. No need for player development, no need for any longer term commitment, no need for anything other than, "Can you do a job for me this weekend?"
It is completely explicable.
It is no way to run a sport.
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14 minutes ago, Eddie said:
I agree with your sentiment entirely, but the game is run pretty much hand to mouth and I don’t see where the money is coming from for this. Ultimately the first team will take precedence over everything because that’s what generates income.Â
But the whole point of IMG and the twelve-year-plan is that is about doing the basics over the longer term in order to (a) take power away from the clubs who are understandably short sighted, and (b) open up more income generating opportunities.
That has now been wrecked and there is nothing to replace it with anything like that ambition.
This takeover is all about making rugby league in England the next speedway or stock car racing.
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54 minutes ago, Worzel said:
Which is precisely why we need regulations and restrictions to compel clubs to invest time, effort and yes money in the right things for the long-term health of the sport.
I understand why they wouldn’t if allowed the choice. That’s why we need to remove that choice.Â
Bingo. It is staggeringly simple.
The clubs will vote for whatever is easiest for them in the moment regardless of any impact that has on anything else.
We all know why they will do this. It's not some kind of revelation or wisdom.
But if we actually want the game to be successful then compulsion to be bigger than "what's the best team I can get out this weekend" is necessary.
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