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The usual score when England play Wales is an England win by a margin of 60+ points.
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2 minutes ago, phiggins said:
Super League may have been able to shoe more urgency, but they can’t force an offer, which didn’t come until October and was well short of acceptable. And it was not Super League that added a new red line at the last minute.
As for London, on the pitch, they are streets ahead of the rest of the championship. But their grading score would suggest that their last filed accounts make for grim reading. Their owners should be asked for some written assurances that all is good on that side, with some data to back it up.
I don't think the new owners have done enough, yet, to be taken fully on trust. For example, I find the move from Hazelwood a bit weird (at best) after the visibility given to moving there. I also don't think they've shown enough understanding of their local market nor have they invested as heavily in community work as I would have expected.
All that said ... I also think everyone else in this mess is culpable for where we find ourselves. And, more broadly, the mess shows the absolute scale of the work that needs to be done and my fear is that nobody at this stage wants do that hard work and they are all - on all sides - still believing that there is one simple trick needed.
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Now the second story on the BBC Sport page
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A quirk on the BBC live text. (They are doing live reporting and radio for both England games today).
Because whatever service they use for live scores does not do updates for the women's games, the banner across the top doesn't give a score for the match, just the kick off time. You have to scroll into their text coverage to see the match has started and there has been two tries already.
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4 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Papua New Guinea v Lebanon - 11,624
I suspect more income through higher ticket prices but PNG normally report c. 14,500 for home internationals.
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9 hours ago, sam4731 said:
Just going to say now that this was meant to be the competitive world cup with no blowouts. 2022's average scoreline just in the group stage was 51-9. So it will be interesting to see where this world cup fits into that. Just fir context the average scorelines at recent world cups (group stage only) have been:
2017- 40-8
2013- 32-12
2008- 35-13
If they really wanted to avoid blow outs then there should also have been a tougher qualifying process alongside the downsizing.
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5 hours ago, Pulga said:
I'm only just realising that there is no Tongan Women's team in the WC. Excuse my ignorance.
Surely they would smoke Wales and France....
They beat PNG 42-6 last year
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19 minutes ago, dboy said:
When have these community coaches been paid roles????
The FT roles at Wakey are, and have always been in place.
Wakey have just advertised for an assistant women's' team coach - do you think this should be a paid role?
You're either ignorant of, or wilfully ignoring, the difference between what is genuinely a volunteer role, and what should be a paid role.
Working in the shop/bar, as an example, is not a volunteer role.
I would have thought for a rugby league club that you’d want the people pouring matchday pints to be volunteers and your coaches be paid employees.
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46 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:
I can't help but think the NRL are going about negotiations in the wrong way. They may have had more success offering some signage on lorries or half time pizzas for the boys.
They could have just made a clear and open offer months ago.
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4 minutes ago, dboy said:
You're out of date.
Wakey don't volunteer to any role where there is a comparative paid role.
There isn't a self-respecting pro sports club in the land that:
- a) recruits volunteers to money-handling, customer-facing roles such as shop/bar staff
- b) recruits to roles where, in comparative roles, some are paid and some aren't.
I intend/hope to retire in the next 18 months and will be looking to put some volunteer some time into Trinity.
I WOULD NEVER TAKE A VOLUNTEER ROLE THAT SHOULD, IN ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE, BE A PAID ROLE FOR SOMEONE ELSE!
They were recruiting coaches for their community pathways programme as volunteers this summer. When did they get replaced by paid workers?
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27 minutes ago, dboy said:
No-one at Wakey works for free in those areas - saying "some get paid", does not make Bulls stance ok in any way.
In fact it makes it worse!
Then why were Wakey recruiting volunteers in areas that overlap with what Bradford are recruiting for.
Odd thing to do, really.
Still, good that you’ve checked all the details with Trinity.
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Just now, dboy said:
Absolutely Tim!
But a SL club wanting people to run the shop, bars and maintain the pitch for free is not the same as volunteering as grassroots, or even Hurricanes.
Trinity have a dedicated band of troups who do allsorts around the ground - for free - for the love of the club.
Bulls have gone a little beyond that here.
Ah, okay. You’re deliberately ignoring the Bulls saying they have paid staff in all these areas as well.
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8 minutes ago, Curly perm said:
Only last year, we were looking for volunteers and it’s still on the website…
They also advertised this year for people to deliver their community coaching programme for free.
It’s pretty easy to find what look like significant roles at any of our top tier sides being delivered by volunteers.
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45 minutes ago, Cheadle Leyther said:
Derek was pilloried for pointing out the faults in the NRL offer. Now the devil in the detail is causing several problems.
He was pilloried for writing a bucketload of drivel that had the occasional decent point among its self serving, poorly punctuated, rambling.
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To be fair, Bradford do say in the thread that they do have paid roles in these areas. So I would assume this is volunteer support but the paid staff would be those with the actual responsibilities.
You can debate whether that's a good thing or not but virtually all clubs in all sports will have volunteers, even the largest ones.
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10 minutes ago, WN83 said:
Would it be because the NRL plays 24 games and they'll want total alignment, right from start dates to end dates, play off structure, the full package?
In time that makes sense to me but it's a tough ask to get sorted in time for 2027.
Different sized leagues though and different sporting markets.
I mean, you’re probably right in that that’s the thinking but it seems clumsy to me.
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Is there a justification anywhere of why 24 is the magic number?
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Just now, Just Browny said:
I don't think that was a mistake, I just made it sound fancier than it is. If the France team did well, supported by Toulouse and Catalans, even a Derek Beaumont would grudgingly stop complaining about foreign teams being in. Well, provided they didn't go as far as beating England, at which point they would be 'coming over here, taking our jobs'.
The French team has been different shades of terrible but there have been degrees of poor depth and poor coaching and selection. Today, you just had to watch the anthems to see the players were barely half the size of their opposite numbers, and were going to get steamrolled.
The pool is tiny and I'm not sure what the two professional clubs can realistically do about that. They don't do a terrible job bringing through a percentage of the small number of players they have to work with.
It really is on the federation to increase the numbers first.
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4 minutes ago, Just Browny said:
On paper yes. In practice, I think they need to be smart enough to realise their strategic value to Super League is measured in part by the performance of the French national team. So they should be doing things like releasing players for mid-season internationals and ensuring French players have clear pathways and good coaching.
Your mistake there is putting 'strategic value' and 'Super League' in the same sentence.
The French national team was terrible before Catalan joined and it has been terrible the entire time they've been in Super League.
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9 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
Been sent the code again today for Premier sports
You're just taunting people now.
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2 minutes ago, Douglas said:
I agree but Catalan could help by focussing more on developing French talent instead of signing loads of over the hill overseas players and 2nd rate Queensland cup players.
Catalan are a professional club whose only responsibility is to the fancs of Catalan Dragons.
If France want to get better, then it's up to FFRXIII to sort that out with their miniscule resources.
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11 minutes ago, Alan in Durham said:
But second top team in Europe/Northern Hemisphere??
Yup.
France has as many registered rugby league players as England does registered handball players.
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18 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Tbf the Bookies weren’t forecasting that huge scoreline between the two teams.
A comfortable big win yes in the offing, but let’s face it there was an almighty chasm between them for 70 mins or so.
I don’t think the reaction is far off the mark.
Samoa won 62-4 last time they played. They haven’t got any worse and France haven’t got any better.
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Just now, Douglas said:
Don’t mention defending and France.
youre right we should just be honest and tell non-RL fans that France are pathetic and they are only here to make up what little number of RL playing nations we have and that the best games will be the semis and final when the competitive nations play each other.
They're a minnow. All World Cups have them.
Samoa were in the last World Cup final.
Stop pearl clutching.
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Sat 17th Oct: Women's World Cup: England v Wales KO 07:35 BST
in The General Rugby League Forum
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It's too late to do it now but when the England thing was becoming our national side and GB being dropped, I said we should copy hockey who tend to have England wearing red as their home colour. We could have gone for a shade that no one else really wears (copy their deep red from the royal crest) and have a chevron or a bar or whatever - and it wouldn't look like anyone else (not even HKR as you'd have a different shade). And it would still be recognisably England and, after a time, it would be obviously England RL.