gingerjon
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7 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:
What or who?
Players at Cardiff and London play League when they are not playing Union. They cannot be ordered to reverse their priorities on the grounds "this is simply not good enough".
Playing fewer league fixtures is presently the only way to accommodate Cardiff and London in a national division. If you will the ends, you must will the means.
Northern clubs can adapt. Manage their injury toll, arrange friendlies and/or run smaller squads.
It is not good enough for the sport that the only way to have sides from London and Cardiff in its upper tiers is to play within an other sport’s off season.
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23 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:
I would not be surprised if it is to do with Cardiff and London and their RU players not been available either for the start or the end of the season. I can't think of any other reason for this.
Despite being very pleased to see London moving up, this is simply not good enough.
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7 minutes ago, Eddie said:
If I understand it correctly the QB can’t pass it to some members of his offence, even if he wanted to.
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42 minutes ago, Eddie said:
Agreed, but so is every other sport in North America.
Highest paid CFL player - $600k pa
Lowest paid MLB player - $740k
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He's a snake oil salesman whose cart has run out of snake oil. There's nothing there that's not been said before and no ideas and plans that make any sense when put against what they're meant to achieve.
He thrives on the fact that so many folk in RL have the memories of goldfish and a view of other sports that hasn't moved since 1985.
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2 hours ago, Eddie said:
They average 23k per match, it’s def not minor league.
It is by gridiron standards.
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23 minutes ago, The Rocket said:
The doubleheaders was pushed by the NRLW players themselves.
I'd trust the players to know what's best for themselves as players - I'd not be asking them how to sustainably grow a new market, secure sponsors etc. That's not their role.
And, as ever, the difference between what players say when playing and what they reveal afterwards is often quite wide.
We had a load of England women's cricketers talking up international double headers and co-tours a while back. Now they're in the commentary box, they tend to say they hated being second fiddle.
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12 minutes ago, Damien said:
I just think the women's game is relatively immature compared to the men's and isn't even full time professional yet. Weve not even had a generation of players playing at the kind of level we now see and it's only 2 years ago that we had 6 teams, with frequent concerns about expanding too quickly and quality.
In 10 years my answer could well be different but at the moment it's inevitable that at the elite level a men's full time professional NRL team will have their skills and fitness much more honed than one that isn't and that it will be much harder for a top athlete to switch.
Also far more competition to simply make it will mean at the elite level there is less of a drop off in standard. I think women's RL is still getting there on the player front and is still looking for top athletes, hence all the switching between Union and League with players seamlessly playing both in the same year. An expanding competition and less players means more chance of making it in my opinion, particularly if you are coming from a full time elite environment.
That's not to knock the women's game, I just think that's where we are at the moment and when it comes to growth its no bad thing.
The women's game is still in its C B Fry era. It won't be for much longer.
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2 minutes ago, langpark said:
Apologies for trying to steer this thread back on topic.
An interesting bit of reading for those who are unaware, is to do with Italian club Saluzzo Roosters. Located just outside Turin, they spent a few seasons playing in an amateur division south-east France. I followed them closely and I remember they started off as the whipping boys, but in the second season started getting a few wins. As I remember, they fulfilled all their fixtures, which that alone is a huge success in my opinion. They were averaging 5-6 hours (one-way) for their away games, which is just phenomenal for an amateur team. Eventually the inevitable occurred and they withdrew after (I think) their second season and returned to playing local RU in Italy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saluzzo_Roosters
I think if we ever got an equally determined (and well-financed) team near a major hub like Milan, then they could have a fighting chance at, say Elite 2 level. Milan-Toulouse have regular direct flights, unlike Turin. Also Italy is a place where they would not need to rely on foreign players to prop them up.
Not likely to happen any time soon, but Italy is probably in the best position to join an established competition, more so than any other mainland Euro nation. But they do need to get a local competition started before anything like this is even considered.
This is a useful corrective to the flights of fancy we can all fall prey to.
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New one for me: asked to pick the official player of the match in my role as club photographer.
It was Rosie Muggeridge, since you ask.
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1 hour ago, Damien said:
Great TV ratings with women's RL having 5 of the top 10 highest rating womens sport programs on FTA.
Its also interesting how far the NRLW now seems to be going ahead of the AFLW. A few years ago it seemed like the AFL had stolen a march on the NRL when it came to the womens game but that seems to have been completely reversed now. With future expansion on the cards the NRLW should continue to go from strength to strength:
AusOpen Womens Final 1.334m
Matildas/China 1.103m
Origin III 1.101m
Origin II 1.083m
Matildas/Uzbekistan 992k
Origin I 977k
NRLW Grand Final 697k
Matildas/Uzbekistan 679k
Thu N NRLW Knights/Roosters 409k
Matildas/Brazil 401k (not cons)
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AFLW Grand Final 354k (not cons)
https://x.com/footyindustryAU/status/1863117651482235000?t=AlO3yv8NwDoIcZL82ehCCw&s=19
AFLW is doing pretty well for stand alone attendance and participation - it's just very obviously at the (being kind) embryonic stage in terms of having enough quality players on the field. The recent season was a bit of a car crash but seems to have done okay for attendances considering.
NRLW is a real success and shows that when you have competitive RL, it's an almost unbeatable sport to watch.
Double headers are a sign of cowardice in taking it further.
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1 minute ago, Eddie said:
There’s never been a club where there’s nobody there who wants to do it.
The difference between, say, the ongoing NRL plans which balances the league's own strategy, that of the local governments, the resources the people involved in each consortium, with the limited number of places available versus "there's some blokes who can get on that new pitch in Goole".
It's not the same.
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The Copa Libertadores on BBC Three is not disappointing so far. Ten man Botafogo leading 2-0 heading to half time.
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8 hours ago, Futtocks said:
College Football is a massive sport on its own, with the top 20 largest College Stadia over 75,000 capacity each.
Right now, on Sky, you can watch South Carolina at Clemson which has 81,500 people in the stands.
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56 minutes ago, Damien said:
What's the big screen like?
About that ... was listening to Five Live earlier ... someone lamenting that for the Champions League they don't put the big screen on.
"UEFA standard" right there.
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20 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:
Soccer is a false analogy if ever there was one. Same as with Ginger please explain the transformative impact of foreign franchises which has few clubs outside the M62 and nmone of those full time.
Is that really appealing to families in Yeovil ?
Why do we want to appeal to families in Yeovil?
I'm just not seeing any real difference between a speculative "we need to develop across the UK" and a speculative "we should develop outside the UK", or even, "we need to develop in these random towns nearish the M62 that have never shown any interest in RL before".
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7 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:
Because a league centred around towns on the M62 needs to expand iots playing, revenue and support base in the British Isles, before setting up new franchises in non-RL areas outside iof the country. Or it faces inevitable decline.
Again, why?
That's just repeating the same idea but with more words.
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11 minutes ago, Keep The Faith said:
They showed the NFP finals
20 years ago?
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12 hours ago, Keep The Faith said:
it wasn’t long ago itv showed the game
It was 30+ years ago?
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7 minutes ago, glossop saint said:
A comment more relevant to your Christmas tree thread maybe, but our 3 year old is very excited about Santa at the moment. Me and my wife are spending a lot of time talking about Father Christmas. Like Gingerjon says, it's probably a battle that's been going on for decades but this is definitely a hill that I'm willing to die on in the battle against the invading American culture. (I'll be disappointed if a pedant doesn't come along to say that the term Santa is actually an olde English term from the 1400s originating in Cumbria or something!)
Like all long-established traditions, Father Christmas, as he currently is, was unknown before Queen Victoria.
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22 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
I think one reason American culture penetrating into our society bothers me so much is because our children are taking it all in when they are young and naive and think because they've had it shoved down their throats so much that it is a part of their society and so exclude themselves from their actual society.
I'm nearly 50.
This was being said when I was young.
It wasn't true then either.
Cultures change. Diwali was sure as heck not accepted as part of British culture in 1982.
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5 hours ago, HawkMan said:
If the women's soccer league did collapse would the next generation of girls get noticed by international scouts in schools soccer ? If that's not of a standard to make a judgement then without a league in Oz the next generation would have no pathway and the national team would collapse too.
They'll go the US college route like they've always done.
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2 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:
Unless we do think there are more people playing Tackle RL than Touch, such a conspicuous anomaly casts doubt on these figures as a whole.
The separate but related point regarding the AFL agenda and their history of statistical chicanery stands.
Well, on the one hand, we have an independent and thorough survey with a published methodology that has shown that the world's two most popular team sports by participation are popular in Australia and then broken down the rest.
And, on the other, some old blokes and their vibes.
I'll go with the fact based one for now. I think it shows RL in a really strong position - not sure why everyone is being so touchy about it, TBH.
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Vegas Again/2025 and WCC
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Because Penrith never wanted to play the game.