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1 minute ago, Damien said:
There are probably hundreds of youth Football games to every youth RL game. Of course Football will have issues but if it has issues in 10 games out of 100 and RL 1 in 5 then it certainly doesn't mean that RL is better. In my experience it is very widespread in RL, even going back to when I played at this level. None of this is new.
Not sure arguing about whether the sport is better than Football is a good thing anyway. It's a low bar and justifies little. Maybe it's the lads and parents that are increasingly playing both RU and RL that we should be more worried about.
Ultimately, my worry is that we see this a lot in RL and nothing changes. Given how the world turns these days, that’s not great for recruitment and it’s not good for investment.
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6 minutes ago, Just Browny said:
GJ said anyone misbehaving at a football match would be hounded out; you seemed to be agreeing. If not thanks for clarifying.
Just to be clear, what's happened at this Myton game is awful but also not surprising. The culture needs to be changed massively to make it unacceptable, but I also think you could find similar in other sports clubs. Far too much living vicariously through kids and - frankly - a few too many drunk/coked up lowlife that people are afraid to challenge.
Locally, they almost certainly would be hounded out. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but it basically really doesn’t happen *twice*. There are almost certainly regional variations but that is my observation of here.
Sort of related: A friend stopped reffing because he couldn’t be bothered to put up with parents on the sidelines but his descriptions are that it was annoying and depressing rather than abusive or worse.
I do genuinely think this is worse in community RL at an accepted behaviour level than elsewhere.
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I know a few people involved with youth football round here and, simply put, anything like that would simply not be tolerated. The social media shaming of any parent going too far would be off the chart and that's before you get to what would be actual sanctions from the local FA and leagues.
Yes, there are shouty parents and far too much abuse of officials in football (and elsewhere), but on a 'per participant number' basis is really does appear that league has a significant problem.
Hopefully steps are being taken to respond to both this match and to prevent future incidents.
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9 hours ago, RigbyLuger said:
Jamie Foster must want some of the anti-womens sports grift. Shame for him is most of the Saints players will be well thought of after retirement.
I haven't read the comments but people who follow sport tend to know who is speaking from a position of knowledge (and even understanding) and who isn't.
Watching that final, if you have a platform and want to make a valid point, you could talk about how well drilled Wigan are, how they are obviously fitter and appear to have a better conditioning regime, how they are playing in a way that should be the model for other teams who want to catch them.
You've made the same point. You just haven't gone: oh look at that chubby one out of breath ...
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1 hour ago, Futtocks said:
There's a whole internet meme about middle-aged "gatekeepers" confronting The Yoof of Today with exactly that sort of question.
When did people start wearing Ramones t shirts as a fashion thing?
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1 hour ago, Hopie said:
I still don't understand your point about standards and P+R being mutually exclusive.
I was surprised the minimum standards in the IMG document are quite short, and that some people think that the wider gradings are the minimum standards. When you have the latter the former are less important in a practical sense, as when you are selecting the "best" available clubs the minimum standards are enforced in a different way, which for me is worse.You can’t have automatic P&R and have minimum standards.
I’m not sure how else to say it at this point.
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9 minutes ago, Damien said:
I remember looking at this before and remarking that before 1995 they were broadly similar. The difference is that from about 1995 in Rugby Union there has been a clear upward trend in the amount of games they play compared to in Rugby League where we are trending down.
Indeed. It’s striking when you pick a fixture - say England v New Zealand - and note that in RU pretty much whole decades could go by without a meeting. And then from the mid 80s it steps up and now it’s multiple times a year.
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32 minutes ago, Hopie said:
We have had minimum standards for decades, and that still resulted in plenty of teams being promoted and relegated.
Thanks.
You’ll be aware that the minimum standards have been massively reduced.
Bradford certainly meet them. They wouldn’t get a grading if they didn’t.
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33 minutes ago, Eddie said:
Am I allowed to comment on the standards that exist, as well as being in favour of automatic P&R? Do let me know.
You can comment all you like!
But you can’t, logically, believe in automatic promotion based on onfield performance and believe that Super League should have enforced minimum standards.
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11 hours ago, HawkMan said:
England v Senegal, a meaningless friendly but I can't spy an empty seat at City Ground, so fans want them, particularly outside of Wembley games.
It wasn't full - 26,000 out of a 30,000 ground capacity - but, yes, crowds show why they happen.
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38 minutes ago, Eddie said:
Call me crazy if you will, and this might never catch on, but I’d like to see the team that wins the championship replace the team that finishes bottom of SL next year.
That's all good.
But then no comments about minimum SL standards.
Because you can't have both. You can either have guaranteed promotion or you can have enforced standards.
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1 minute ago, EssexRL said:
I don't disagree but the key question down here is - where to get players from? It is why Skolars struggled to be competitive (and all the expansion clubs of a decade ago). Yes we need to build community clubs including for juniors but the reality is that young people in London will have been exposed to RU.
London and the wider south east has lots more RU than RL.
It does not, however, have lots of RU. Not really.
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26 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:
Honestly, I'm fed up with this focus on RU players. If I was a young RL player in the LJL - and there ard some - I'd be massively disappointed to hear Eccles bang on about RU converts like that.
A lot of this whole thing, even down to the fact that it’s being led by a 71 year old from out of town, just feels like it’s rehashing old ideas - and not even improving them, just kind of pretending they’ve not been done before so it’s all whizzy and new.
They’ll be talking about getting onto the information superhighway soon.
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31 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
But remember its just [insert generic anti-RL trope] why the game can't grow...
Surely it's just football fans not real rugby league people.
It's always football fans not real rugby league peopel.
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19 minutes ago, Eddie said:
I didn’t see any Wigan or Saints shirts tbf, though I wasn’t in the stadium for the women’s game. Around Kings Cross there were plenty of Fev and York fans, naturally Euston may have been Wigan and Saints shirts tbf
They showed what looked a like a reasonable section of Wigan fans during the women’s final.
I didn’t watch the 1895 final to have anything to compare it against.
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22 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
My sarcasm was lost...
I got up very early this morning! Time for another coffee.
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2 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
People massively turned off football for Maradona's handball, the 1975 European Cup Final, etc etc... and they were, unlike these, not actually in the rules!
I don’t think that’s remotely true.
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Oh god, the zombie idea of believing that salvation lies in itinerant Aussies is back.
There's some chinks of light in a lot of the rest but this needs properly killing off.
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1 minute ago, Eddie said:
It also gives four teams who would never otherwise get the chance to play at the national stadium, the chance to play there, which is massive for them regardless of how many people are watching. Ask the women’s players would they rather have the final as it is or as a stand alone at York or St Helens.
No issue with that argument. I'm sure the players love it.
The issue is with the structure around it.
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6 minutes ago, Gomersall said:
Technicality in that Bulmer - who I'd never heard of so have just looked up - was knighted for his public services whereas (let's assume) Boston is being knighted for services to rugby league?
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The RFL have a self inflicted problem in that they have two games out of three that can easily be said to not "deserve" to be at Wembley. And a further self inflicted problem that triple headers are a monumentally stupid idea and that any reduction to double header (itself a stupid idea but marginally less so and at least you can make it coherent as an event) immediately devalues the excluded game in the eyes of most people.
It should either be a men's day out - 1895 Cup followed by Challenge Cup.
Or it should be Challenge Cup Finals day.
Ideally it should be neither and all three games would stand alone.
But, having gone down this bargain basement route, the RFL should absolutely stick with it.
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De Bruyne makes it 4-3.
Blimey.
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Belgium led 3-0
Wales tie it at 3-3
Belgium go back ahead 4-3
But then ... VAR
It's now 3-3 again ...
Absolute scenes.
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25 minutes ago, wilsontown said:
I'd be interested to read what you think the way forward would be.
How about, for a change, we keep things as they are.
And I write as someone who thinks the set up is ridiculous but who think you only make it worse with constant tinkering.
Football
in Any Other Business / Any Other Sports
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It's really not that hard to learn a language.
The classless fury of some fans about this is absolutely beautiful.