Dave T
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22 minutes ago, Worzel said:
Fair enough, not my view but you saw him more often. I'll hold my ground on last season though, he was very poor, and saw nothing better this season even before he was injured. Now he'll be an aging, previously out of form halfback, picked after 3 or 4 matches depending on how deep Wire go into the playoffs. It would be weird. But of course it's going to happen, because that's the culture of international rugby league in this country. Because we don't play enough rep football, incumbency is given far too much weighting in selection because by definition other options always "lack experience". It's been that way for years and years now, this is just one of the more recent, more egregious, examples.
Happy to disagree on this. He has been a superb player for Wire, the real shame is that he has had some tough injuries, often at key times, and for key stages he has been playing injured.
I've no issues with not playing Williams based on injuries or lack of game time (or that you simply believe somebody else is better) - but it's just not true to suggest he has been very poor.
There is a reason he gets picked - he's very good.
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1 minute ago, Worzel said:
Next season he'll be playing in the halves for Redcliffe in the Queensland Cup - is that really who we want to lead us against the Aussies? We have better players, in form, who can develop into the future of England not the past
Thats not the point I disagreed with you on. He hasn't been poor for 3 years at all.
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30 minutes ago, Worzel said:
Why have several people on this thread said Williams? The bloke hasn't played well for at least 2 seasons, arguably 3, has been woeful in recent test series and literally hasn't played at all for months. It's time to stop picking people on past reputations.
I mean that just isnt true. Had plenty of injuries, but when he's played he's been very good for Wire.
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51 minutes ago, Pen-Y-Bont Crusader said:
Not saying it’s their fault. It’s the games fault.
Im saying its not a fault
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18 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:
People would tire of his schtick doing 2 games a week.
I know I'm an outlier, but I struggle with Voss and his nonsense abou5 pubs and takeaways when commentating on international matches.
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48 minutes ago, Pen-Y-Bont Crusader said:
With the exception of Carney, my issue is that they all accentuate the northern/Aussie stereotype.
I disagree. What do you want from them? This is where the majority of excitement players and pundits are from.
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2 minutes ago, Coggo said:
Oh dear. The morbid obsession with crowd figures has kicked in and already deemed it a failure
If we don't get a decent crowd, it will be a failure.
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The main reference point we have here is 1995 Wigan v Leeds at this ground, 5.7k in thr Charity Shield.
Far from a like-for-like comparison, but I think it suggests we will need to work hard here.
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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:
I think you get 8-10k from Wigan, 6-7k from Wire. Flights are pretty cheap, Holyhead-Dublin exists, etc etc
Maybe, hope you're right. But these clubs dont even mobilise these kind of followings for Cup Semis.
I suppose we'll see how much of a draw Dublin really is, versus the negative of the cost.
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55 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
I’m going by the broad reaction among fans, which seems to be positive. The fact that the clubs involved tend to show up in decent numbers to our event games and that Dublin is a reasonably sized city where it shouldn’t be too hard to sell a few thousand tickets to locals.
I think with a fair wind we may see 5k Wigan, 3/4k Wire and if we got a couple of thousand locals then we may break 10k. Im hoping to be pleasantly surprised with a 20k crowd, but I just dont follow any logic that we will.
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15 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
That is fair. A smarter and more coherent organisation would have space in the schedule for club-led on-the-road/big event games whilst also having several untouchable weekends for game-wide ones like Magic.
But, on this specific, and with this happening when it is, I'm not seeing anything being done that 'the NRL' would need to do better. It will likely sell out, it will be a good time for those who go, it will get some nice coverage on British and Irish socials.
I think you are being overly optimistic here. Im not sure why the expectation is that we will go and sell 20k tickets (or 40k) in Dublin.
Have you blanked out previous on the road attempts?
I do hope this is closer to Barcelona games than Swansea 1997/8
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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:
Actually, I am quite intrigued by what the NRL could do for two British clubs playing a match in Ireland.
Take money off the table - do they get more coverage for this launch (which, ultimately, just needs to sell 20,000 tickets) than the clubs did? And does the match need that?
Because, to repeat what has been said, this is not, and never has been, about expansion into Ireland in any meaningful sense.
To be fair, I think the suggestion (and one I broadly agree with) is that better leadership wouldn't schedule things like this. And the hypothesis is that NRL investment would lead to better leadership.
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I wonder how much value having a 2nd match in Dublin is going to add. Why arent we putting all focus and resources i to selling one event?
I read that Wire and Wigan are hoping for 20k. Id be stunned with that, and whilst hopeful of a success, if I was a betting man Id be expecting crowds of say 7k and 5.5k.
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35 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
A dignified "we're going to pause Magic" may be the best option, TBH.
The Dublin weekend should be a massive success, though.
33 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:I think there is room for both to be a success in the calendar, just not in the same 9 days.
Vegas in Feb, Dublin in April, Cup semis May, Cup Final June, Magic in July, Grand Final October makes sense.
It does feel like forcing Magic at Everton despite this years date not being available is the issue.
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7 hours ago, ghost crayfish said:
And people wonder what the NRL could do for you.
Not really. People often wonder of the intent and what it will cost SL.
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6 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
It's took you a while to realise that Dave with your previous comments protecting the officials when it is asc certain as the nose on your face, that the present standard of reffing is as low as it has ever been.
So you're saying it was always better?
Maybe thats why I didnt have an issue before?
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Great win FC.
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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:
The word you are looking for john is "hopeless" it happens so many times in camera angles, as I've said on numerous occasions either copy the NRL bunker with "professional" clarity and number of cameras or don't bother, doing it half hearted is no good.
Once again though, cameras werent the issue. I'm genuinely loathe to criticise refs, but at the moment, the officiating in SL just isnt good enough. Im not sure whether that is die to the leader or what, but its becoming a real challenge.
I've always taken the approach of trying to ignore it, but they are making that difficult.
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This process is awful.
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That is awful on field refereeing and touchjudging
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Surprised they didnt check that with the VR.
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1 minute ago, OldRedEyes said:
No, you couldn’t tell by that angle. One behind the ball - you could. HTH
Nah.
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We're just a weird sport arent we.
A weird event just a week prior to Magic. Announced in a weird fragmented way.
We're just not very good at basics.
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Why didnt they show that side angle earlier?
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Sat 8th Aug: SL: Bradford Bulls v Warrington Wolves KO 18:30 (Sky/SL+)
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Good solid win Wire. No problems just went in and did a job.