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16 minutes ago, Hopie said:
If the IMG criteria decide the future of the club, and there are no points for an academy, then why wold teams spend money on an academy that they can spend on other things that get them points?
The word academy does not appear in the grading criteria handbook.
Ask the clubs who do run academies.
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27 minutes ago, preid said:
They got no points for their academy despite it producing multiple top level players over many years so they decided there was no point spending so much money going forward for no (grading) purpose. Similarly, they got minimum points for catchment area because the latter was limited to the borough of Merton which is crazy given their nearest rivals are Midlands and Cornwall. Those two determinations were probably the worst ones decided upon in the whole IMG plan.
If somebody can only see benefits of an academy if it gets points, then that is an issue for them. We haven't seen the likes of Wigan or Saints or Leeds or Wire sack of their academies.
And they didn't get minimum points for catchment, they got the middle tier as far as I'm aware. I do agree that appears too low, but it's not accurate they got the same as village teams.
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22 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:
In response to the IMG grading, the Broncos scrapped their Academy (annual cost £250-400k) and replaced it with a gradings-compliant Lions Development programme (£25-40k). Through one lens, that was entirely rational.
I have no idea what they talent pathway requirements are as I say, so.i can't discuss that detail much more than I have. Do you have any more detail on TP rqts?
But I do think it also does speak volumes about Hughes rather than anything else. Did they only ever have an academy because it was a black and white reqt from the RFL?
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26 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:
Exactly how many points do you think they lost for not having an academy?
There is a requirement for an RFL approved Talent Pathway for grade A and B clubs. I can only find outdated documents on what that might mean, but it used to include an Academy.
If you don't comply you lose 0.25 in Yr 1 and 0.5 in Yr 2.
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It's an absolutely bizarrely positioned article.
Zero new in it and zip all to do with the GF.
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3 minutes ago, Damien said:
Pity you have Mascard, I find him one of the worst RL people out there and is completely wrong on many things. His posts on here used to be laughable.
I'm split on him. I like reading some of his stuff, but in reality I find him to be quite similar to Gledhill in some of the stuff he shares. A bit like a big kid playing at it. Which is a shame because I do like some of his content.
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2 hours ago, ghost crayfish said:
Am only following vaguely from afar, but it seems like the play offs and GF are all selling much better this year than previous years? If so, really excellent news.
Making a big deal out of this part of the season is a really important part of selling the sport as a whole. Particularly given the small crowds the Challenge Cup fixtures get, these games really need to project a strong, vibrant image for the sport.
Hopefully this momentum continues with strong test match crowds.
Yeah, it's been a positive end to the year, and that's a contrast to some years when the playoffs can be disappointing. Finishing on a high as we launch next years season tickets shouldn't be underestimated imo.
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49 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:
According to the Wigan ticketing website, a big block of available seats have just appeared at the Wigan end in block 208. Transferred from RFL, maybe?
Rugby league ticketing does my head in!
They haven't been sitting with the RFL as far as I can see (unless they are returns from corporates or clubs), but they could be a batch that Wigan were selling in person.
One of the things I've noticed is that the 'every other row' technique is being used in some blocks, bit in the Wigan ends this was because Wigan were selling some and the RFL the others. But in the HKR end of the North upper it is just every other row as only the RFL have these for sale.
I think this is why we often have disappointment, as it's difficult to keep up. They are still selling in person at the grounds, so there will be tickets for sale that are not showing online (depending on how they are doing them obviously).
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1 hour ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:
Money that could have been spent on an experienced league player?
I don't know why we bother with these experimental moves, from past experience they always end in favour.
We've had many, many legends from rugby union.
If he is free on the cap, we can't spend that on an RL player necessarily.
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Wigan have 23 tickets left online to sell. They possibly also have some paper tickets to sell?
Hull KR have a few hundred online.
The RFL still have a reasonable amount in the top tier, some are not yet in sale.
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9 minutes ago, thehullram said:
Surprised that there hasn’t been any real official update on ticket sales for Saturday
Rhodri Jones just doesn't seem interested in this stuff. He plays everything down, and when he does speak, pretty much says nothing.
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5 minutes ago, Magic XIII said:
Northern RL fans (on the whole)
Nonsense
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41 minutes ago, Magic XIII said:
Because all they do when faced with something out of the ordinary is revert to type and make the newcomer completely unwelcome, participation on their terms and love the idea of them failing so they can gloat.
Leicester don't need to take a game to Wigan to increase their ot their sports profile, quite straightforward.
Who exactly is 'they'?
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At the age of 29, it really would be good if Connor had a great finish to his career. Maybe found his inner piece or something like that!
He can be exciting, but I must admit I can't really remember the last time I saw him being a matchwinner, or showing us his brilliance.
I don't think Briers was ever as bad as Connor, but he went through a couple of phases in his career where he could have faded away, yet he ended up finishing his career really well and enhanced his legacy.
I'd love to see Connor being remembered for pulling it back and being a great player rather than the petulant child that we've seen for a couple of years at least now.
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7 minutes ago, Dunbar said:
I put my contribution on here on the self assessment form for my annual appraisal.
I didn’t get the rise I wanted.
They must have read your posts.
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2 minutes ago, Click said:
You're not alone - Barring match threads, this forum is definitely busier during the hours of 9 - 5 (UK timezone)
I of course will not make any personal comment.
why would we spend time here free of charge? We're not idiots.
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26 minutes ago, NRLandSL said:
Garcia is far better than Asiata
Romano is much better than Leutele
Fages is still better than Talagi at 6
I’d definitely put Bousquet above Molo
Da Costa is far better than Chan Kum tong
And there’s other guys definitely capeable of starting in this team. I think you’re seriously overestimating the Samoan and underestimating the French team. This French is a full 17 of regular SL players, including a lot of very quality players. “the French get convincingly beat by the England knights”. Funny joke.
French team would be around Leeds and Huddersfield in SL, competing for top 6.
I think you are overestimating the quality of the France team quite substantially.
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19 minutes ago, Damien said:
That series being cancelled has proved to be disastrous. It followed the London, Lancashire, Yorkshire formula we've all wanted and was the big stadium return we all wanted too.
If events had been different and that series went ahead, and the World Cup not postponed too, I think the international game would be in a very different place.
I agree. That's not to say we wouldn't have still made bad calls and unambitious decisions, but for a sustained period we had had some ambitious selections. I hated a lot of things about the world cup, I think they got it horribly wrong, but even that had some glimmers of hope with Newcastle and Arsenal for example.
It feels at the moment like we have gone back to that 2001 spell where we had to reconcile and for a few years it became very safe, 25k stadia in the North, modest costs, modest returns.
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1 hour ago, Archie Gordon said:
The formula that has worked best has been London as the big one of the three, kicking off the series. It has not been a case of 'with London ideally'. London has been first cab off the rank and it has proved itself in that slot.
Several England Tests in a row now at Warrington, St Helens, Huddersfield and Leeds doesn't seem to be working and gives off Northern Union vibes. And the problem is, we know that the decision-makers in the UK will not see these failures as happening for a lack of ambition. The learnings will be that we've been overambitious and that we need to retreat even further. The absolute tragedy is that a future Test in London becomes ever less likely due to the failure to attract a crowd at Wigan.
We do have a couple of challenges here. One of the biggest is that we just don't play enough games, and pretty much none against the Aussies or Kiwis any more. They are the games that we took to London. Recent history has shown that if we get a series involving those teams we play a game in London.
What we have never done is stage internationals outside of those two in London really (Samoa in the WC Semi was the odd one out). I think we need to work on getting an appropriate ground in play in London/the South which allows us to stage events that may be in that 25k space.
When I look at the scheduling, the only one that I think was absolutely a car crash was last year.
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4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
You've noted elsewhere that we have fewer NRL/peak Aussies coming over for the club game, and now we have fewer international sides and players wanting to tour.
You can object to some of the stereotyping whilst acknowledging there is a truth to it.
Nah. This is a stretch.
The last Ashes was due to take place at Bolton, Elland Rd and Spurs, UK home of the NFL. That isn't why the Kangaroos don't want to come.
Top players don't come as much because there is more money in the NRL, not because they don't care for Wigan.
It's possible to believe we should do more in London, France, wherever without sh***ing on the likes of Wigan and Leeds.
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1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:
Yes, Samoan players must have seen that and gone 'Meh, I'll stay at home in Australia''.
These places have been good enough for RL legends for over 100 years.
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11 minutes ago, Mathius Hellwege said:
yes, yes and yes
That is why it was so such a monumental mistake to stage the historic Tongan Tour in three oversaturated poor M62 cities in a span of two weeks....and of course the learning was to play againsa Samoa in two oversaturated M62 cities
I could be crying all day over these unforced easy to avoid errors
I'm OK with Wigan and Leeds being locations for internationals, with London ideally. The majority of our most successful series have been NW, NE and London. It's a formula that works.
But had we been more bold, we could maybe have looked at 1 North, 1 South. Which allows for a larger Northern ground like Elland Rd.
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12 minutes ago, crashmon said:
The bottom line is that for the NRL, the pinnacle of the club game is winning the grand final. Thats it.
For the SuperLeague the WCC is seen as the pinnacle game, as thne your world championsFor the NRL is just a pre-season warm up game.
Sums up how the NRL and the Aussies see SL.
Yes we might beat them every year, but that does not change the perception that the NRL has of the NH and superleague in general. And you need to change that perception somehow if you want Penrith et al to treat the WCC seriouslyThe Grand Final is the pinnacle for SL too. That's not to say that the WCC is not a valuable and enjoyable game, but it isn't anywhere near as important as the Grand Final.
And it doesn't need to be.
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Maybe there'll be some nonsense about the people of Penrith not buying into it because the SL teams are not competitive enough.
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Sat 12th Oct: SL Grand Final: Wigan Warriors v Hull KR KO 18:00 (Sky)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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This is the time for Lewis to step up. The Wigan halves have outplayed him so far. These are the games for MoS to shine. They've had some decent field position and often just looked toothless.