Dave T

But Catalans were in Bradford yesterday, and now in Widnes next week. How many of their fans could travel twice? The game would have been loaded with Catalans fans, whereas now it will be loaded with Wire fans instead. We either need to embrace Catalans and treat them like a full member of SL and the CC, rather than a foreign team in an English comp.

To quote from the opening post: I think they are poor quotes tbh, and hope they have been lost in translation. He is pretty much saying that Morley isn't a great player, people don't look up to him, and it is not goo to see what he has become. You'd think the bloke was getting battered all round the field the way Ferriol is talking. He is still one of the best props knocking around in the game, playing week in week out at the top level. I agree about the explosiveness etc. but it doesn't read to me that he is only talking about that. He is pretty much saying that he is a spent force.

Think you are miles over with your predictions of crowds, but I do agree with the principle of the post. We got 18k when season tickets were used last year, so it would have to be a hell of an increase to get 30k. Watching some of the athletics over the past few days made me remember how good it was over there and what a shame that we didn;t have the balls to stage a game like this there. I would also love them to be bold and go for Magic Weekend there if they are moving it to Feb. It would be lovely there at that time of the year, and the RFL could fund journos coming over for the couple of days instead of having a crappy launch in London that nobody bothers writing about. If you can't get people interested in that, then we should give up!

Depends how you read the article. He is suggesting that it is sad to see Morley playing as he is and he has gone on too long. I certainly wouldn't say he was right about that. You also disagree that Morley is hard, so how does this equate to Ferriol being right?

I do think that Warrington does seem to have been a good fit for Morley as much as him for us. He has had the likes of L Anderson, Westwood, Harrison etc to share some of the work and big hits, meaning that it has taken a fair bit of pressure off him. You rarely see anything flash, no fancy offloads, just good hard yards and quick ptb's. I must admit to still being a bit frustrated by Graham. I worry that he is being over-used and they need to be careful they don't cut short his career, and tbh I prefer my props to just get stuck in and make the hard yards than do some of the stuff Graham does. I don't doubt Graham's talent, but his actual metres per carry stat is actually pretty low, and I put that down to playing too much making him less effective than he could be. For example, Warrington's three main props all make more metres per carry than him, so for getting up-field that is what you need. People go on about Graham being the best metre maker in the business, but he simply takes more carries than anyone else, when Morley (7.99), Korkidas (7.89), Peacock (7.36), Carvell (7.27), Fielden (7.22) and Wood (6.93) all make more per carry than Graham with his (6.85). These were selected from the top 25 metre makers (apart from Carvell - personal interest on this one). I'd love to see Graham in a pack loaded with big forwards where he could be spelled and just do his job, rather than trying to carry the whole team.

I'll ignore your comment about Sherwin, as I don't think we need to go down that one again , but it is definitely fair to say that Morley has changed the way he plays the game (and IMO made him a more rounded player). Sure there are fewer big hits than in the past, but then there have been fewer bans on the back of it as when he used to get it wrong, he got it spectacularly wrong! He is still one of the top metre makers in the game (metres per carry), and his tackling technique (getting players on their back) is outstanding. He is still more than capable of coming up with the big hits when required, see Crabtree at Wembley as an example.

Maybe I was being overly harsh, I do like him, as I like a few of the French forwards, but it was more a reflection of the level I hold Morley at.

Wendall, why didn't you complain about this after the Warrington game? Why didn't the Wigan fans kick off about this? The same policy was in force, it didn't start yesterday.

Yep, not something I have ever liked, and if I was a manager I would be stamping that kind of thing out. Sure, celebrate with your own team, but there is no class in looking like a smarmy ###### when patting a player on his head following a knock on. I'm disappointed with these comments as it is more like boxing build up, which I'm not convinced we should be going down that route. Morley is a modern day legend. He went to the NRL and became a hero, has played impeccably for his country (apart from that 1 game!), and has dragged Warrington to a Cup win. He was in last year's Dream Team, short-listed for MOS, and is having another very very good season. I wonder whether some of this has got mixed up in translation, as there is certainly a point that Morley is not the animal he was in the past, but then getting sent off after 12 seconds never helped any team. He has now become a more rounded player IMO, who still plays near the edge, but just stays on the right side of it in general. I'd rather that than him being sent off and banned every other week. Ferriol isn't even a quarter the player Morley is now, never mind was.

Plenty of grounds no longer have pay on the turnstiles, it's really no big deal. The game isn't all ticket as such, it is simply how you get into their stadium. I found it simple as anything when I went, sorted my ticket out and then went for a few pints, wonder why these 'hundreds' of Salford fans struggled?

maybe you should mate...

Anybody else would get away with that argument Mick, but again, YOU said you wouldn't do this again, not until you got ###### off again. This is the 2nd game this weekend where you felt the need to slag off the ref, despite promising not to and claiming you were a changed man.

Not really redeemed at all. The topic is about players that you find annoying. I find both of the mentioned very annoying. My opinion would have been valid whether I had mentioned their playing ability or not...

How will you know what Cummings has to say?

But YOU promised that you wouldn't do it any more. Off your own back, YOU started a thread to say you have given up focusing on the ref. You didn't say anything about keeping quiet until they ###### you off again and you throw your toys out of the pram.

It's not really unusual to have to buy your tickets from the office nowadays before going to the turnstyles is it? We did it at Wrexham with no issues whatsoever.

I'm not going to get into the debate about Morley's ability, but I think it is quite poor for any player to talk down another player's playing ability at all. It is disrespectful, lacks class, and you are just asking for it to come back and bite you on the ######.

Good God, I genuinely hope you don't actually believe the stuff you type. Loon.

Briers has always been one of my favourites, but I must admit even I got annoyed with him on Super League's Super Men on Thursday when he kept referring to himself in the third person!!! Sinfield or Graham for me. Sinfield always looks as though he is about to cry, even when he is on the SLS. Graham is a ######. Both are very good players though and I would have them in my team at the drop of a hat!

HJ has good views and nice toilets and is a RL stadium. It doesn't have a cafe (seems yoy make up the criteria to suit) but it does serve food and drink like any other place, and people can pay a reasonable amount to have meal at the ground and get top seats. It also has an advantage of being built right near town which has plenty of places. Why did I bother with a serious reply to this post?

Yep, this board generally has a nice mix of serious discussion and some light-hearted enjoyable topics (about grounds, eperiences etc.). It also has a rather disappointing amount of absolute ######.

Ooh, not many really, Wilderspool and the HJ straight off, actually, Knowsley Road too. Not even Wembley or Old Trafford, so I think it's just the three for me...