Dave T
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5 minutes ago, Leeds Wire said:
11,214 in attendance.
I'm guessing that's the most home fans we've had in that stadium for quite some time.
Well done Wire, shame about the result. It was frustrating but entertaining enough to hope that most of those in there today will be back.
Was an excellent atmosphere for a Catalans game. A good one for newbies, even in defeat.
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I enjoyed it. We weren't at our best, it appeared that almost every mistake led to a try, Catalans were ruthless. Tactically far better than us. I think Burgess' naivity is showing, we play an awful lot like he wants us to have 13 Sam Burgess'. 4 forwards on the bench again, often 5 drives, flat passes at the line all afternoon, nothing from the dummy halves.
Some work to do tactically.
But I was very pleased that we were even in that, and possibly should have won it with a few minutes to go.
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29 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
I enjoyed it, it was entertaining, not sure the quality was as good as being made out though, thought both sides looked ordinary in attack and there was plenty errors and poor discipline.
Yes, it was scrappier than I expected and I do think the pundits were going ott slightly, but I'm OK with them gushing over games tbh.
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Superb game of rugby league. Lovely stuff.
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3 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Haha, I’m sorry! We’ll call it ‘less young’!
You were right first time
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8 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
I’m saying ‘younger’ people perhaps have less affinity with country compared to club and this is reflected in international attendance which I agree are hobbled by poor marketing, venue choices and not the opponents we might choose. I feel this all then might become a vicious circle if it hasn’t already.
I take your points though and support your view we shouldn’t be cancelling things or see doing England RL well as a concept as too hard for our administration.
The biggest problem I think with the argument I am making, is I can’t back it up with any hard evidence and neither of us are young enough to know if what I’m saying really is true (sorry we’re getting old mate).
Anyway let’s enjoy the bank holidays!
This post was all going so well until you called me old
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3 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
I think we’ve taken our conversation as far as it is going to go.
We appear to be having two conversations. I'm directly addressing you saying people are less interested in internationals these days and that is reflected in attendances. Nothing more than that.
Happy to leave it there if you want to discuss other things, no probs mate.
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7 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
You appeared to suggest NZ doing well against Australia had zero effects.
I am countering this.
It had zero effect on the area we were talking about. The Kiwis are no more attractive opposition to the Kangaroos.
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1 hour ago, JM2010 said:
For me it’s just that the profile of the CC isn’t high. It would take a big marketing push to give it a big boost and create some interest.
I do however think that those 15k that were at Headingley the week earlier are more than aware of the cup game 7 days later.
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10 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Indulge me.
The discussion we've been having is about England being less attractive than in yesteryear and people having no affinity.
It has zero to do with NZ Warriors.
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2 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Has it helped New Zealand Warriors though?
I'm not sure that's anything to do with a discussion on internationals.
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Just now, Gerrumonside ref said:
So is the opposition the sell then or England given your caveats here?
England playing strong teams in well organised tournaments do well. I don't think that needs explaining. Some games will be more attractive than others, as they always have been and always will be.
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2 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
The biggest issue we have is who to play and where?
I’m fairly convinced that England vs France on these shores does neither side much good and makes little money either.
All other candidate opponents are prisoners to the NRL schedule.
Honestly I think we need to beat Australia in Australia preferably in a final to kickstart a change in the way our game up here is viewed.
I think we put too much onus on this. The Kiwis have a decent record vs the Aussies, besting them semi-regularly in finals, yet it hasn't really translated into huge Tests and the Aussies being more interested.
Of course a win or two would be lovely, but as we see with the WCC and the tests they've lost against NZ and Tonga - they just don't really care. They have their own plan.
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40 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
And the Tonga series?
Higher than pretty much any other non-Aus/NZ Tests that we saw over the 80s and 90s, for a poorly organised and uninspiring Test series.
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2 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
The narrative is that young people don’t perhaps have as greater fondness for England or memories for it that an older generation had.
If England RL is a big sell in your mind right now then that is great.
But I just don’t see if personally.
I'm not sure I see any evidence that people aren't interested in following England. Quite the opposite tbh.
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3 hours ago, Eddie said:
Though they got 7k crowd worth of income in, whereas if it was on season tickets they’d have got a lot less.
It doesn't have to be free.
There is also a bigger picture at play here. I'm not sure how many season tickets Leeds sell (10k maybe?). That means that maybe 5k paid cash the week earlier. By making the games all pay they reduces the attractiveness and many people don't want to attend (I'm one of them), as you know it's gonna be flat as anything.
You don't have to add full value onto St prices, banking that cash is worth it.
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We can't create this false narrative that demand has dropped off since the 80s and 90s. It simply isn't true. It plays into a narrative that allows things to be cancelled.
Sure we had a small handful of 50k+ crowds over these 20 years (4 to be exact) but many of the other crowds were really low.
In the last couple of decades we've seen World Cups deliver some very good events, huge crowds for neutral finals, 67k for the Semis at Wembley, 45k in London for a Kiwi test as well.
The demand is still there.
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56 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Are we entering an era where an international club competition (the best of the best CL style) is the only way we are going to get elite NRL calibre players regularly on these shores?
Just feels like all those great memories of international rugby league being a focal point are not shared by a younger generation that has more loyalty to club over country.
I’m not saying this is ideal but it might be reality for the moment.
I don't agree with this. Test crowds compare very well. Crowds for some of the World Cup games just couldn't have been dreamt of back in the 80s.
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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:
It had to be used as a shop window to entice countries to want to visit and instead it was yet another example of 'will this do' and on the cheap.
We saw the kind of show the NRL expects with the Vegas event. It could never have been as good as that but it could have headed in that direction.
I could have lived with one of the three tests being ambitious I. E. London and the other two being safe, but in reality there is no such thing as safe for England rl. They were rubbish.
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19 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:
And with all that, I can say, Covid cancellations aside, I think we play near enough international RL a year. Four games a year would be plenty for me.
Personally, I think three match test series are less appealing than they once were. I would rather see some diversity/variety in the end of season match ups.
For what it’s worth, I think England should cut their losses and start negotiating their way into convincing the Pacific Nations to finish 2024 with a Six Nations tournament, rather than bringing Samoa over for what will undoubtedly be another underwhelming series.
Yeah, three test series are not for me personally. I loved the 4N and would like to have seen that potentially grow to 6N.
I think the RFL has to shoulder a fair bit of blame here. For years we've had to work with an aggressive partner in the Aussies, yet we've delivered half decent home tournaments that have made it harder for them to sack them off.
We built the Tri/4N off, but then they flatlined at best as we became less ambitious. The last World Cup was horrible. A truly flat tournament with the odd glimmer. And then the Tonga series was lacklustre at best. It's made it easy for the Aussies to sack off the travel and keep their players on their shores.
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2 minutes ago, M j M said:
Eddie & Stevo quote an attendance of 7,000 for the Leeds-Saints cup game. No idea where they've got that from.
I saw a crowd of 7.1k, I think it was Serious about RL though. It was that idiot journo Cam something reviewing crowds - he had a brilliant line that it's not the clubs fault as they marketed the games brilliantly as always.
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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:
Yes, I was mimicking the idea that Covid is a valid reason for our current pathetic position.
But nobody was using it as an excuse for teh current position. I used it to explain why we had gone from having tournaments every year to nothibg for 2 years and a delayed WC.
In fact my post explicitly called out Covid followed by the Aussie coup.
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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:
Better stop people using it as an excuse then.
Covid led to us cancelling an Ashes, Euros (possibly 2), delaying a World Cup and a Kiwi Series. That is the impact Covid had.
Covid is no longer an excuse for what is going on in 2024.
I thought that simple point was clear.
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Sat 30th Mar: SL: Warrington Wolves v Catalans Dragons KO 15:00 (Sky/BBC iPlayer/SuperLeague+)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Really horrible incident during the game. From one of Thewlis' conversions the ball hit a speaker that was hanging from the roof of the East stand. It snapped off and fell 30/40m to the ground.
It was a miracle that nobody was hit, as underneath the speakers are the disabled seats. It genuinely would have killed somebody, and seeing it happen in real time was sickening.
Thankfully nobody was hurt, but I expect there will be some safety checks at the ground this week.