David Dockhouse Host
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6 hours ago, Andy JG said:
Harry was a magnificent ball playing loose forward, who could put a teammate through a gap with a brilliantly timed pass. I'm not sure that the type of player exists in the modern game.
My main memories are from games I was in the crowd for as a youngster.
1977. St Helens v Warrington Premiership Final at Station Road....I was a 10 year old sat in the old wooden Townsend Road stand...Pinner was sent off for a full proper fist fight with Alan Gwilliam the Warrington scrum half. I don't recall much of the match apart from being there, Saints winning , and the sending off.
1978. St Helens v Leeds at Wembley. This is one of the, if not the greatest Cup Final of all time. Pinner was in the losing Saints team who made a try scored by Liptrot by launching an up and under which was dropped behind the Leeds line to gift Saints an early try. I was stood behind the posts at the tunnel end where this happened.
I thought he was a great player.
Pinner also played for my team Leigh at the end of his career (mid to late 80s) and was still pretty effective. He signed for Leigh from Widnes in part exchange for Derek Pyke another ball handling forward.
I remember him having both the pubs mentioned , and the sign over the door on the Victoria in Newton le Willows said 'Harold Pinner'....I'd never seen him called by his full name before.
My last sighting of him was behind him in a queue for fish and chips in the chippy on Newton High Street. It was maybe 25 years ago.
Love these photos and the memories thanks for sharing
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15 hours ago, sheddingswasus said:
London ( as far as we know) played a mainly full strength team. Oldham rested 6 of who are likely to be first choices and took four more of them off at half time. Oldham have a very strong squad this year.
it was an excellent game in very windy conditions. Well played both teams.
Oldham's squad is very strong should walk that league
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Harry has some nice feedback on a thread on our Facebook page - https://m.facebook.com/groups/1361836814234490/?ref=share
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Harold "Harry" Pinner was born 26 September 1956 and is an English former professional RL player who played in the 1970s and 1980s.
I remember Harry as a child watching at Knowsley Road, he was the loose forward and skipper at the time, everything went through Harry
He went on to play over 300 times for his local club and is now a hall of famer at St Helens.
He played at representative level for Great Britain and England, and at club level for St. Helens, Widnes, Leigh, Bradford Northern and Carlisle, as a loose forward.
Harry was born in St. Helens, then Lancashire, he went on to be the landlord of the Victoria Inn public house, in Newton-le-Willows, and Parr Arms public house, in Grappenhall, Warrington, did you ever go in there
Harry played for England while at St. Helens in 1980 against Wales, in 1981 against France, and also won caps for Great Britain in 1980, 1985 against New Zealand in 1986 against France, and while at Widnes in 1986, against Australia.
Only 3 players have scored drop goals for both England & Great Britain, they are Bobbie Goulding, Sean Long, and Harry Pinner. Ironically all X St Helens and Widnes players!!! Great trivia
What are your memories of this fantastic player?
We completed this interview with Harry in a studio in Liverpool, hosted with Radio Merseyside commentator Alan Rooney.
It's part of a documentary we are creating on Harry, we have already completed more filming with former players who played with and against Harry and looked back through more memories with some on location filming. Bare with us though, making a documentary takes a long time but here's a taster.
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I've seen a photo of a Saints player tackling low which I cannot upload here.
Shows how difficult it would be to police as that tackle didn't lead to an injury and hasn't been mentioned.
You would have to penalise all tackles like this injury or not
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Just now, Jughead said:
I would consider four attacks all on player’s knees to be reckless, yes.
You've shown were you stand by claiming they are attacks, not everyone shares your view. The RFL said they will take on board the considerations of all stakeholders, do you agree they should listen to them all and consider all aspects?
Or ignore them and outlaw a currently legal tackle without due consideration?
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17 minutes ago, Jughead said:
So they did, then?
I reckon outlawing a tackle technique after four tackle “attempts” that has left one bloke on the brink of retirement and another questioning whether he wants to bother anymore is probably completely understandable.
That depends on if you consider it an unfortunate situation from a desperate tackle or an intentional reckless 'tackle'
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8 minutes ago, Jughead said:
Didn’t they change their approach to the over exuberance cards being handed out during the middle of 2022?
Yes but they pretty much changed the threshold probable red became a yellow and so on from memory.
Think outlawing a specific tackle after one game isn't really comparable though
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21 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:
Ah, okay. I thought you meant chasing down a player from behind.
I did sorry, but take your point yes often in that case it's an ankle tap but all depends how close
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9 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:
Yeah, but not with your shoulder.
I've seen safe tackles quite textbook with shoulder and wrapped arms around the lower leg particularly when chasing a player who's broke the line
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Just now, V02 said:
I reckon one that may be worth exploring is initial shoulder contact below the knee. It's banned for cannonball tackles but not as first contact. Not sure what the answer is but there's nuance in that point.
If your chasing down a player your likely to grab below the knee
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In a statement in response, the RFL said: "Nobody wants to see injuries to players and we wish each of them the earliest possible recovery.
"We have listened intently to what the club has to say and we fully understand their position. We have also reiterated to the club that our approach to reviewing the incidents they refer to is consistent with all cases previously where clubs have cited incidents and alleged serious injuries to players.
"We assure all clubs that we will consult, consider and decide whether this type of tackle or technique is acceptable in our sport.
"As with any change to the laws of the game or to on-field regulations, we will undertake a thorough review with all stakeholders, including coaches and the laws committee, but any changes cannot happen in-season."
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2 minutes ago, LeeF said:
You like the strawman word although I don’t think you understand it as you aren’t using it correctly.
As for your last paragraph. What are you on about. I’ll leave you to it though as you must be leaving the forum if you genuinely think that which is so far from the truth and more important reality.
Tu Quoque is probably more accurate
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The MRP (Match review pattercakers) have no idea what they are doing.
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1 minute ago, PEANUT HEAD said:
I know let's outlaw tackling altogether and play pattercake instead,this game is played big strong physical athletes you are going to get injuries, can't see how you are going to police tackling around the legs cause the whole head high tackle and contact with the head thing as gone that far you could penalise every tackle.
Then fans would complain of inconsistent pattercake rule application from officials
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Just now, PEANUT HEAD said:
Why did walmsley stay on the pitch if it was that bad,or was it staying on the pitch that as made it worse.
Maybe didn't realise the extent of the injury, adrenaline, will to win etc.
Medically I'm sure it could make it worse but doubt it could be proven.
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8 minutes ago, Jughead said:
Saints saw the disciplinary’s flimsy findings and pushed back against them. I suspect any club would have done the same. Rather than it being the catalyst for change, it’s used as a stick to beat Saints with. Strange old world.
I think the point here is the potential hypocrisy. Fight to overturn a ban for your own player for a dangerous tackle/act but demand a ban for an opposing player.
Granted the situations are not identical but the sentiments are.
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12 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
Soccer, rightly, makes 'reckless' a red line. If you are out of control then you have no ability to control the damage you do.
And it's a straight red.
If we want a sport that lasts in the future, that's the direction we'll be heading in.
That's a good example, I think it's easier in football to prove.
Refs and MRP have a battle to be consistent now, imagine how difficult policing general recklessness would be, so subjective.
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7 minutes ago, hullste said:
As Wellens states in his interview all four suffered injuries as a result of reckless and dangerous contact/tackles. Duty of care still applies and particularly in the Paasi example, in his desperation Asiata had no control leaving both himself and Paasi extremely vulnerable.
I think I'm right in saying they are only factors with illegal tackles, this wasn't considered illegal so wouldn't be considered.
I agree it looks reckless and clumsy but many good hard tackles are reckless attempts at speed as they have no respect for their own bodies.
It's a difficult one I agree, but not sure how this tackle could be policed. I juries happen with good tackles and bad tackles don't always lead to injuries so not a great measure
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4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
Is the word 'premeditated' in the laws anywhere because that was raised by a poster above as being a distinction worth making?
Not sure how you could prove premeditation
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On the subject of banning the defender due to player welfare, how do people feel about the semi final chicken wing that was overturned.
Different tackles but it's the same sentiments.
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12 minutes ago, hullste said:
But as I stated in the match thread, how many more serious injuries to players is acceptable before they decide to ban it. The MRP had the opportunity to raise concerns about the technique used but failed to do so. As Wellens stated in his statement, it is now open season for coaches to coach players to adopt this style across all platforms of the game???
I'm not sure what they could ban.
I don't think coaches or players will intentionally aim for the knee of an opponent to injure them, if so I would be very disappointed and would want something to mitigate the risk.
I don't think it was intentional to injure, clumsy maybe but it was a desperate tackle and only the player knows their true intentions.
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24 minutes ago, sam4731 said:
I've said something similar on here before but the fact that this sort of tackle is legal will only serve to ensure that coaches use it as a tactic. We can no longer ban players who make these tackles for the season now, so expect lots of long term injuries of this nature.
I don't think players have ever been banned for these tackles before.
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On 05/05/2023 at 21:34, The Daddy said:
Keith also had a little fun with it here.
Harry Pinner - Former GB Captain
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Opening sequences are done but we want to get some more filming in.
Harry is a keen fly fisherman and we would like to capture some of that