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In the 21st century (a few people on here are still in the 20th/19th....) you cannot smoke inside public places...... Unless you are thinking 19th century and people still have coal fires.....

Well apparently leigh fans will buy sky boxes if P&R returns........

The irony there is that they wouldn't have got relegated so the lucky was also unlucky? With P & R any club can overspend and make it to the top.....its when they are on the way back down the damage is caused...... If you look at the latest financial report for Bolton Wanderers it becomes clear the true effects of P & R (and they had a parachute payment)! P & R is fine if the clubs are on a level playing field but you need to split into divisions of current ability....This model does not work in the 21st century! The tier system in RL was to address this and works to a degree....At the lower end it is deemed sensible and is championed......... tier 4 has P & R but once you hit the top division you need to apply and meet criteria to join tier 3, Tier 3 has P & R and again you hit a plateau where you then need to apply and meet criteria to advance to tier 2, once this championed logic is applied to Tier 2-1 it causes outrage! Part of the issue is when tier 1 was expanded to 14 and 2 clubs failed they should have immediately shrunk back to 12.....

Sorry you will have to spell this one out. .... You don't want to watch SL as leigh don't play in it but if next season the structure changes you will be happy to watch SL with leigh not in it? Also which aussies will come over for 25k?? Which relegated clubs players will be happy to drop to 25k earnings? You also aren't factoring in coaches and other staff? Who will operate the training facilities cook the food....all the other jobs associated with Full time training! You open a facility FT you need the staff!

So you dont want to watch clubs other than leigh.....but if SL moves away from licensing you will be quite happy to watch eeerrrmmm the exact same club's ( not leigh) Very odd......

700k won't fund a full time team a ten year old could work that out! Also to be successful you need a full time setup try closer to 6million!

You quoted widnes, it was not You quote cas was unfairly relegated which again was agreed what would happen It looks like you can't be arsed checking the facts and you are quite clearly making things up!

There is no need for radical change, a few tweaks to licencing would be best. ...look how the play offs have devalued due to constant change!,Also if you remove the funding from catalan that will fund one more team, (Bradford) so that is the same as now? So where's the funding for a second tier ay?

No it wasn't widnes it was cas who bounced back, widnes were relegated under your much treasured system, if widnes suffered it was because of P&R!All clubs agreed to relegate 2 and promote 2 before the season began! Widnes finished within these 2 places, there was no juggling! And they hardly won promotion on the pitch either! Ok catalans never came from the championship but they Could have, its not really relevant to widnes being relegated and becoming a feeder club! Now please stop spouting off nonsense!

I agree, but crowds aren't the be all etc... signing the stand off wouldn't have helped, challenging the acedemy for players either.........

Hull were better in the immediate years before HKR were in SL, weather the decline was due to HKRs rise is another question!

If thatis the case and the bbottom wasn't competitive (which i was) why did tthey add2 teams? The situation was it was competitive with 10 heartland clubs (plus London and catalan) London was going well with mac in charge and youth making the england squad, so they tried adding two clubs, a heartland club and an expansion club the two added clubs both failed, one was rescued and one was replaced with a feeder club, at this point the league should have reverted back.....instead they carried on, unfortunately hitting a recession, operating at 14 clubs when the optimum is 12, If the SL reverted back to 12 with only 10 heartland clubs it will once again be competitive , (presuming London wil be ok). OOncee the country has recovered it may in time be ok to expand once again....

Or team's could get parachute payments for 3 years tailing off each year.....This way clubs could keep most the squad together and adjust as needed year to yea!

I ma be rremembering wrongly but wasn't the league competitive with 12 teams (11english)?

From this I take it you dont care about any elite sport then? Salford are splashing the cash to employ the best players they can, that is the same for any elite sport (man city, chelsea etc...) If the Dr had bought any other club it would be them in Salfords position......Hull KR would be lower league nobody's without Hudgells bucks...... Wigan dominated as they bought all the best players....... Elite team sport is all about money.....don't kid yourself!

Tell that to the unemployed and people on 5 year wage freezes, or who have savings that are being reduced in value.... as for your place If its a place with no money then a reduction of money will do very little.............. If its a place with lots of money again you wont notice...... As usual its the squeezed middle thats mostly effected!

Errmmm Firstly Whelen openly said he would pay to remain in SL! Secondly they overspent the cap (so did Barrow and they got punished far greater!) Thirdly big clubs are the ones with the money, or potential for money....London have money so the stadia rules dont apply, wigan had money so the salary cap was loosly applied, Hunslet didnt get promoted on stadia the RFL went to town on Barrow..... Its a closed shop weather we like it or not.....any new system will favour the big clubs, the rebellion is to make sure the big boys stay the big boys......

Yes but certain clubs. ...if say widnes and Castleford they will be okay in the championship, London maybe not, but who knows if hughes would keep bankrolling them? At this stage it's all hypothetical but if they gambled that the first part of the season would be a loss but the 7 games would bring in income then it would not cripple them. ... What i am certain of is that we will end up with three leagues with very little movement!

If its a myth then why do they keep changing the rules to protect the top clubs! Whelan was prepared to pay a club to not apply for super league if wigan finished bottom. ...and the RFL would have let them! ! Funnily the clubs you quote as not being big clubs in a closed shop are just that! You can't see the wood for the trees!!

No It leads to hatred and violence in the name of a team! Shouldn't be part of our game!

I agree on the face of it but if Hughes stays the can afford whoever they can tempt! IMO any relegated team will stay pro to bounce back the following year what will probably happen is the same six teams sharing the championship two positions. ...how long can fev operate at fully pro to attempt to break into this cartel? For me that is the only exciting thing about this whole system, I would prefer them to be given 3years in SL proper, but hey ho

Australia don't have a middle 8 and there will be no pkay offs! (Middle When a team go down and stay pro they win every game (as good as, Huddersfield, cas) A side comes up and gets smashed every week leigh, crusaders year 1, catalan year1... The two relegated clubs would stay pro and therefore be the best in the champion ship And finally my logic is sound, the top8 will be a closed shop as will the middle 8 unless a millionaire comes to a small club, when the millionaire walks away the small club will find its natural place (which is the whole point of P&R)......

If London who were woeful last year beat Sheffield( who won the second division) comfortabley in Sheffield, then I would imagine it's a forgone conclusion. ..it just depends on what the order is! Also what would be better.. To qualify for the top12 to get beat every week or to be in the bottom 12 and win every week? Regardless of which side of the split you would be guaranteed to be in the middle 8

The top six of the middle 8 will be current SL sides therefore a current championship side will never be in that position!

Whats the point of the league games? May as well just have the play off also where will the play off be played and who will bother going? Will they have a trophy to lift after the game? ?