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The top six of the middle 8 will be current SL sides therefore a current championship side will never be in that position!

Whats the point of the league games? May as well just have the play off also where will the play off be played and who will bother going? Will they have a trophy to lift after the game? ?

I think there's a meeting in January. ...

Thats the first I've heard of a play off with 4th n 5th!That doesn't sound fair! So if a championship club manage to play 7 intense rounds and squeeze into fourth, the ousted SL club can then have another bite of the cherry in a play off??

It was when all clubs agreed to relegate two to allow catalan to enter. .... fair If all agree before hand!

The thing is catalan would have to finish bottom and a team 'fit for SL' be in the promotion spot ... As long as all clubs agree to a veto and agree that the second bottom goes down in that cenario then it would be fair

Totally agree! The smaller clubs are wasting valuable resources trying to fight the big clubs! If they worked with the big clubs (and made sure they weren't being abused) they could have all the players they need with only the cream being lost to SL! The problem about being honest and showing their hand would make sure a small vocal minority would whip up a frenzy with doomsday cenarios....the RFL are this n that etc.... In a democracy change needs to be sold and accepted. ...

I agree the universities if you will, but at the moment we are trying to get kids from primary school straight to universities without spending time at high school, DR is one answer to this problem.....

There is room within RL for club's of all sizes, my post was in reply to a post leaning towards saying that fans would only support their nearest club regardless of level!Also why would amateur clubs fold just because a semi pro local side has?

Disagree, Widnes wouldn't have put faith in youth, London should have put faith in youth, the problem now is who will develop the youth of tomorrow?

Where do the new generation of Bramley fans watch the great game? Hedingley?

The aussies don't have P&R and ARE world champs...FACT, Just one question. ...how much of the new talent would have got a chance if P&R been around?

I agree it's a cop out to defend the status quo, it will leave 4 distinct levels and very little mobilisation. ...

14 clubs with 1 up 1 down, maybe top of championship play off with bottom of SL? Or a radical approach, championship winners to 'call out' any SL club outside the SL playoffs that they think they can beat and play over two legs, winner takes the SL place....

Are they having win bonuses for all games or just the post season?

I agree that a side will try to win every game, it's nonsense that gets posted on this forum that teams don't try under licensing, if you are 8th going into the post season you will try but will have no chance of top four

If the team in 7th and 8th have nothing to play for the general consensus is they won't try and wont take points off anyone, its hard for a comparison but I may look back to old seasons data before they played the teams for a third time in the old 12 team league to see how far off the top 4 they where after 22 games. ....

There is also the real possibility that the top 4 of the top 8 is all but decided when the split occurs leaving 4 clubs with nothing to play for! (extreme I know but at least 1 club in 8th will have virtually no chance)!

Well who knows if they are play-offs or a continuation of the season! It depends on the marketing season tickets etc.... It would be worth looking to see if there was more mobility in Scotland, but i would agree that it will further ring fence the top clubs! (top of 2 playing bottom of 1...etc...)

they could take the bottom four of superleague and the top four of the championship and have a play off to see which two teams make up the twelve ?

Maybe samuel, hughes and hood could run the SL?

I mean of the 12, all other games would be play offs? Magic may have some real meaningful games. .. I was referring to scotland having top playing bottom to decide promotion. ... works for them?

Wouldn't the league leaders get the league leaders shield and thus become the champions? The split which you quite rightly say is about P&R.....Its in essence a play off system that incorporates a round robin...doesn't the Scottish leagues use a similar system without the RR? I don't like the system either, but my concern is that its a fad, that after a few years will lead to the same teams in the same groups and the whinging will start again......

What I can see happening is the top 8 keeping fully pro set ups and being a closed shop top 8, this is much the case now but will be intensified by the budget cuts to the lower SL clubs... Middle tier upper teams will earn enough from the start of the season to fund an on field pro team but not pro set up...the lower middle tier teams will struggle but will probably interchange with the upper teams at certain points, these will also have a pro team on the pitch.... This again would probably end up a close shop as they have more money than the bottom 8, but not enough money to break into the top 8.. The 4 clubs that end up in the bottom 12 will walk over the semi-pro clubs for 22 games, in the top 12 the bottom 4 will be battle hardened after fighting there way through 22 tough fixtures... this again will probably lead to the same split of 4 and 4... This will leave the semi-pro clubs who will be in the bottom 12 pitching themselves against pro teams.....they may win the odd game but will naturally finish in the bottom 8. This would mean that they would stay semi-pro and be even further away from the elite! there is also a chance they could fall into the fourth tier after a couple of seasons of overspending takes its toll! For me this system would be reducing the elite to 8 clubs.... 8 more that would be signing cast-offs from the top 8 (they wont be able to afford academy's, top 8 will naturally be the big draw anyhows..) that is the current 14 clubs + 2 more (fev? sheffield?).... So for the other 12 current championship clubs they will probably be in a worse position than now and i can foresee 2 years down the line the same fans moaning how the top 16 is a closed shop! lets say Halifax win the third tier of 8 what have they won? who would care? This will end up 3 set divisions with no mobility!

Yeah I get that 2 current championship club will join the middle 8 but what of the rest? They will only be able to afford semi-pro? Unless a backer comes in.... Also widnes has had a backer and in their first year finished 14th, this would relegate them to the bottom 12? I cant see a way in this system how a championship club could break into the SL proper, also when the leagues settle down I can't forsee how a bottom 8 club could break into the middle 8?