JonM
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17 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
York in again, 26 mins gone. Kick missed.
York 8-2 Bradford
Edit. Alright, I have no idea what the score is, i could swear the officials signalled that the conversion was missed but it says 10-2 on the scoreboard graphic. This stream doesn't seem to be the most professional though.
They missed the conversion for the first try, but not the second. The touch judges were stood well to the side of the posts, out of camera shot, for both kicks, so not easy to spot
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1 hour ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:
Oldham. It could be argued that the Ref was a tad leniant with them.
They could have had a couple of red cards in the first 10 minutes at Widnes. Spent the first half trying to bully Widnes into submission before seemingly changing tactics at half time.
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On 10/07/2025 at 00:50, Anita Bath said:
His record with the kangaroos is similarly without iconic moments.
True of any current player, no? The Kangaroos barely play. He is 27 and has played 5 times for his country. Never played against England, one game against NZ. He's never played a home game for Australia.
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London v Doncaster is live (if you pay) on 247.tv
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1 hour ago, BadlyOverdrawnBoy said:
There's a whole town in Lincolnshire named after Sir Billy.
If we're going down that road, (Emosi) Koloto has a mountain in Ethiopia named after him...
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3 hours ago, RS said:
Is the 0.3 element based on their three year on field performance place score going down?
The breakdown of their 13.97 score is here:
https://www.salfordreddevils.com/salford-red-devils-publish-img-grading-breakdown/
Their performance score was 3.5429, based on 4th, 7th and 4th place finishes.
Going from 4th down to 12th this year would cost them 0.3333 IMG points.
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1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:
I’m trying to remember when Cleary has ever delivered in a Blues jumper
I guess you could say he's played in 3 series that NSW have won? He's potentially got 7-8 more series to come.
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The Roy Francis memorial in Brynmawr
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Roger Millward Way in Hull of course.
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There's a statue of a rugby player in Dewsbury, with a list of players from Dewsbury on it (and Lee Gilmour's name with the wrong spelling). John Holmes has a statue at Headingley. Mike Gregory Street in Warrington, Neil Fox Way in Wakefield, Gus Risman Street in Salford.
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A570 St. Helens linkway is the James Roby Way, Keiron Cunningham Statue outside the ground.
Wembley statue - Eric Ashton, Billy Boston, Alex Murphy, Martin Offiah, and Gus Risman.
Statue in Cardiff bay fetauring Billy Boston, Clive Sullivan, and Gus Risman.
Willie Horne statue in Barrow town centre.
Brian Bevan statue at the HJ stadium.
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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:
According to the data, women's participation in Rugby League is at 52% of Union levels now (we are at 29% on the men's data), considering the footprint of the two sports, I think that is significant.
8 teams in the Betfred Women's superleague. 11 teams in the Championship, 8 in league one, 8 in league 2, 6 in the Midlands, 6 in the south, 6 in university league. A handful of other teams playing friendlies. 60 teams max.
For comparison, there are 50+ different divisions in the RFU Womens' pyramid, typically with 6 clubs in each.
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The table which shows the local authorities they targeted might explain some of the variance. Bradford and Leeds two of the top four, Doncaster and Wakefield in the top ten by number. If they target Portsmouth, Swindon, Preston, Middlesbrough, Carlisle next year, it probably doesn't change the results very much - except for RL.
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1 hour ago, Anita Bath said:
Wouldnt be academic if it was applied to IMG points instead of league table points….and Rowley wouldnt have done it if that were the case.
Any points deduction for off-field infringements is also a 0.25 IMG point deduction.
The charge against Salford is of Bringing the game into disrepute, not fielding a weakened team per se. First live BBC broadcast of the season etc.
As Dave T points out, no decision has been made yet. The 8 point deduction and fine is what the RFL compliance unit has recommended, it probably will be a smaller deduction and a suspended fine in the end, but still, it would be ridiculous for this to go unpunished.
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5 minutes ago, Damien said:
Saw this earlier and thought it was the same kind of vague article that we have seen previously. It covers all bases without really saying anything.
A more cynical person than me might see it as a way to let some people know they need to up their offer. Still, I'd rather see vague but positive articles than the stuff we normally have in the newspapers. Gary himself has commented on social media that discussions over who exactly would be running things are part of what is slowing down the various mooted investments.
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Not sure whether this belongs here or the NRL investment thread:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/35758595/rugby-super-league-money-investment-middle-east-usa
Gary Carter is doing a good job as a freelancer getting stuff like this into a national paper, and covering developments at Salford in some detail.
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42 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
So how will the Aussie TV audience vote? Just for curiosity.
I'd imagine there'll be more people watching the rugger on telly in the UK than watching it on telly in Australia. Seems odd that they've scheduled it against State of Origin.
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12 hours ago, Eddie said:
Fax or Fev averaging 7.5k is literally absurd, as actually is every club you mentioned except Bradford. Even with a Derek Beaumont it’s probably only just about realistic for Widnes, none of the others.
It would be a pretty long-term project for Widnes to do it reliably - would need to do some serious work to draw more fans from Runcorn, Ellesmere Port, Chester, Northwich etc. and I don't think anyone in British RL has ever succeeded with that kind of thing. We were the best supported team in the UK for several seasons in the 1970s, followed by Salford, but that's a reflection of how poorly the game as a whole was doing.
Oldham is much bigger place than other places on the list, and also has a hinterland of smaller places that look to Oldham, but again there is the demographic challenge of getting Asian communities to come to games, not something British RL has ever succeeded with.
You could make a similar argument with York - with a stadium capacity of 8500, you need to be nearly full every week, can't rely on big crowds for the games vs Leeds or Hull to pull the average up. They'd need to address the demographic challenge of attracting the wealthy middle-class and/ or transient student population to games. Don't remember there being any locals at all on our street when we were living there a couple of years back.
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29 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
For years schools in Widnes did not play Rugby League, even though it had quite a few Junior ARLFC clubs when the pro club was doing well, but as you say they have been in the doldrums for so long with the towns pro club, so if the schools do not play the game and the pro club is unfashionable, what is the introduction to the game for youngsters?
We have 4 ex- Halton Farnworth Hornets in Mr. Wane's England squad and perhaps if Lewis Dodd gets a game in the NRL he may still be a 5th. I don't think the fact that their best players end up at St. Helens, Warrington & Wigan and some others at Widnes, N. Wales and elsewhere particularly stops parents taking kids along.
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21 minutes ago, JohnM said:
Somehow, I think there's more to come. Are there any visa issues, for example?
To some extent, the RFL marks their own homework, as they set out the criteria for the home office to use. Detail here:
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/RFL - GBE Criteria _2024-25.pdf
As it stands, NSW & Qld Cup players need to have played 75% of games in the preceding season, and be 24 or under.
The salary requirements are comically low though. My former employer has to pay a salary somewhere just shy of £60K in order to be able to bring someone in on a skilled worker visa, but League 1 clubs need to show a package of £10K which is presumably above the going rate...
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1 hour ago, Bull Mania said:
I wonder if they've slapped this on to trigger IMG points deduction? I'm sure if you receive a certain penalty for breach of operational rules you are deducted 0.25 IMG points.
Rules is rules. Rowley's behaviour was completely out of order. The fact that they're probably going to finish bottom anyway doesn't change the facts.
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3 hours ago, The Future is League said:
This is on top of the 10's of millions every year needed to prop up the black holes that are GWS and GC Suns.
GWS seem to have made a profit last season - (with $6.6 million in government funding and $25 million from the AFL).
https://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/1740679/giants-announce-strong-2024-financial-results
It's an interesting model they have, with the central distribution being designed to equalise things, such that the big Melbourne clubs, West Coast Eagles, Adelaide Crows etc. get $10-12 million and the Suns and GWS get $25 million each.
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6 minutes ago, Eddie said:
Oldham chose not to announce theirs also. What have they got to hide?
Oldham v Widnes was at Sedgeley Park RU. I would think they didn't have the figure straightaway due to that. Didn't notice it being announced at the match. London v Halifax the other missing one this week.
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Championship crowds over the weekend:
Bradford v Hunslet 3777
Featherstone v Barrow 1680
Sheffield E v York 760
Toulouse v Doncaster 2770. (Another source gives 2762). Pretty good considering the different venue and the multiple changes of KO time due to the air traffic control stroke.
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Fri 11th-Sun 13th Jul: The Betfred Championship Match Thread
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Widnes have Batley, Hunslet & London as the last three home games of the year. Assuming we're able to have at least one half-back on the team sheet by then, I'd fancy two wins from those three and that should be enough.