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  1. 20 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

    Exactly my point. Now you’ve had time to reflect, why do you think the stadium was half empty for a finals fixture between the two biggest RL clubs in the competition?

    For the same reasons that cup games get poor crowds. The world has changed. A reasonable proportion of spectators can't attend games arranged at short notice because of work or family commitments. It's not like when all games were Sunday afternoon and few people worked on Sundays. You automatically knock 20%+ off the crowd by arranging a game with a week's notice, and that's before you start on things like whether it's included in the season ticket.

    The Grand Final has been a big success for RL. The play-offs leading up to it most definitely are not.

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  2. 18 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

    I was about to say we might make fun of Leigh but it seems a few of us are preferring it to other places then I realised we'd only had Wigan, Geneva and Brighouse to choose from, not the most inspiring selection! 😂

    The choice between Wigan and a small town IN Wigan was interesting.

    Toronto or Vancouver

  3. 15 hours ago, Damien said:

    Ive always been into Football and Rugby, attendances and grounds and a few threads recently have got me really looking into crowds, in particular a discussion today with @gingerjon. It is fairly clear that there certainly wasn't the huge gulf that we now see, in practically every way from crowds to money, and it really shows the explosion in Football post Hillsborough, Italia 90 and with the Premier League.

    The year that Liverpool won the league and Widnes won the league in the late 70s, there was an "It's a knockout" type event with the players from both squads taking part, I think as part of a joint testimonial. Unimaginable that something like that would happen today, such is the gulf. 

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  4. If you look at the England team today, the players mostly come from a small number of sources. 

    1 People who went to Private or Public schools (Zak Crawley, Jos Buttler, Ollie Robinson etc.) 
    2 Sons of immigrants from cricket playing countries (Haseeb Hamed, Ben Stokes etc.) 
    3 People who learned to play cricket abroad but who came to England to play professional cricket (Dawid Malan, Jofra Archer). 
    4 People who are the sons of professional cricketers (Stuart Broad, Jonny Bairstow). 
    5 People who came through club cricket, usually in the north (Joe Root, Jimmy Anderson, Mark Wood).

    There's people like Sam Cowan who fit more than one of those categories.

    Long term problem we have is that the numbers from categories 2,3 and 5 are falling and category 4 is a pretty small number of people. 

  5. 2 hours ago, Spidey said:

    It’s the same every year. Leythers should have the “it’s our year” tag instead of Warrington 😜

    Leigh won the league in the 1980s. They've got several decades of waiting to catch up with Warrington 🙂

    I do think we've got to the point where the relentless negativity of fans on social media is putting off wealthy people from spending their money on RL clubs. You end up with the kind of people who don't care what others think as a result. 

  6. On 16/01/2022 at 09:59, Eddie said:

    Thanks. Do you know if most of those teams are still going? 

    No - the remaining teams are mostly competing in Federale Poule 4 - which contains teams which formerly played in the Rhones-Alpes and Ile-du-France leagues. There were teams like Roanne (former winners of both Lord Derby Cup and Elite 1) in the Rhones-Alpes area who've disappeared at senior level in the last few years.

  7. 6 hours ago, Eddie said:

    Good to know there’s at least one other team in Lyon. 

    There was a whole league in the Rhone-Alpes, and 4-5 teams in Lyon, only a few years ago. Ile-du-France had its own league with a similar number of teams in Paris until recently, too.

  8. On 01/01/2022 at 12:34, Harry Stottle said:

    Leigh are in my opinion at this moment in time in a false position in the betting stakes, albeit we have some player's capable of performing well in the Championship I just feel that the squad is far to shallow to take on the rigours of a season long campaign

    I doubt anyone will have a prediction for top 3 that doesn't include both Leigh and Fev. If a bookie was offering 7/4, I'd consider that a value bet.

  9. St Ives played some games in 2021, but didn't complete the season in the East Rugby League. Bedford Tigers ran two mens sides last year and a women's team, and hope to add a second womens team this year. Eastern Rhinos still going too. Ten teams in the East RL for 2022, with some clubs from the East playing in the southern conference too. Plenty of Essex teams - Brentwood, Southend, Canvey Island.

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  10. 20 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

    I also bought her previous book, just to see what it's like, but haven't read it yet.

    The story of how it was written is interesting in itself. Very, very unusual to get a £1 million advance (and a huge print run and translation into 15+ languages before publication) for a debut novel that she'd written in her spare time over the course of more than a decade.

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  11. 13 hours ago, Northern Eel said:

    I've told myself I won't be park running until I can run under 35 min for 5k and even that I am finding embarrassing. Time will tell how quickly I can get back on track, if at all, but I think it will be running on my own in the locality, rather than with others at Parkrun.

    Not embarrassing at all. My son could do 17 minutes previously, but he's had a (not running-related) injury which stopped him doing anything for a year and is currently going round in 35-40 minutes. Plenty of people behind him still. The whole point of parkrun is you go at your own speed - plenty of people run a bit, walk a bit or just walk round.

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  12. 6 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

    And is it not time they were given a Test series here in England. There is latent support from the Bangladesh community here in England especially for tests played in London

    As you said in your post though, it's about tv revenue, and Bangladeshi tv doesn't provide any, which is why they get a 2 game test series once per decade or so. We go there March next year, but only for ODI & T20 games.

  13. My wife, had (for a while), 3 jobs, each of which was very part-time, and also quite variable in pay. (One of them was exam invigilating, which paid only in April, May, June, for example). The total income for all of them was below the income tax threshold. Sounds like a similar situation to yours.

    She was able to phone up HMRC and essentially allocate part of her allowance to each one, so that she didn't have to go through the rigmarole of paying tax and then claiming it back. (I.e she said, £7000 on this one, £4000 on this one, £1000 on this one kind of thing). My experience (and hers) is that they are super helpful and knowledgeable when you phone up. I imagine now is by a long way their busiest time of the year because self-assessment tax forms (millions of people) have to be done and any tax due to be paid by Jan 31st. 

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  14. Seems like a bigger gulf between the top and bottom than in recent years. Swinton, Keighley & Doncaster's squads wouldn't be out of place in the championship. At least West Wales will fancy picking up some wins this year.

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  15. 3 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

    Right on all accounts.

    Borough finished 5th, 5 points off fourth place and barrow beat Widnes in Lancs Cup final.

    Interesting looking at the attendances of that year's County Cups. Blackpool's first round game had an attendance only a couple of hundred lower than Salford's. Barrow vs Whitehaven in the first round got a bigger crowd than the 2499 watching Cas v Huddersfield in the Yorkshire Cup.  Saints v Warrington at Knowsley Road got 5000, and Warrington's semi-final vs Barrow at Wilderspool got 3349. And yet people like to hark back to this mythical golden age when grounds were full.

    I'm fairly sure I'm correct in saying that Borough Park was the newest stadium in British sport for most of the 1960s. Also that Borough beat both Wigan and Leeds there in the 1979-80 season.

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