JonM
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51 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
OK Tommy, but each individual 'Fan' buying a £40/50 shirt after the initial costs to the club isn't putting very much into the club of their passion are they?
Let me re-iterate, by my definitions
A 'Fan' to the Owner, CEO, Board and Club Accountant is invisible and directly offers very little in respect of monetary value.
A 'Supporter' is accountable, they are a visible asset, they immediately add to the so very important cash flow especially in a cash strapped sport like RL.
So by my definition the equation is a very simple one, does a club desire fans or does it need supporters, and plenty of them?
You don't think Liverpool get some value from having hundreds of millions of 'fans' worldwide, but only 50 000 spectators (or whatever the figures are)? You don't think that has any effect on tv contracts, media coverage or sponsorship deals?
Widnes have 30 000 followers on Facebook, but only around 3000 people currently turning up to watch at a typical home game. That's a big pool of people who can be turned into customers, and increasing the size of that pool is pretty basic 'sales funnel' stuff that I'd expect a club CEO to care about.
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9 hours ago, GUBRATS said:
Anybody who's ever been to Belle Vue in the last few decades know what it's like , don't really see the point of going round with a camera now , 30 years ago I could have done the same at Naughton Park or Fartown , 25 years ago I could have done the same at Wilderspool , the Boulevard or Central Park , 20 years ago I could have done the same at Hilton Park , 15 years ago at Knowsley rd or the Willows , still can at Wheldon rd
There's a degree of truth to that, but Knowsley Road, The Willows, Central Park, Boulevard, Naughton Park all looked cared for. There weren't weeds growing everywhere, things did get a lick of paint, broken stuff got mended. Fartown was of course in an even worse state than Belle Vue.
There are thousands of amateur sports clubs in the country that haven't had £20+ million over the last 20 years who have facilities that people actually take a bit of pride in and look after. Compare Batley, Dewsbury or Fev's grounds with Belle Vue - they're not palaces but people are looking after them. Everyone on the terraced street I'm currently living on has basically the same house, but a couple of people have a front garden full of weeds, a rusty bike and bin bags, others have nice flower beds. That's not down to money.
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On the "funny old game" theme, John Kear, according to Bradford fans on here, was a rubbish coach, should've been sacked before the season started and so on. Yet Widnes have won 5 on the bounce after announcing his appointment.
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49 minutes ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:
We won't catch Barrow but it's a pity we let York in for that late try, could have been interesting with a four point swing. Thought that was a great effort at Batley today, how we can go from performances like Bradford at home to today amazes me.
Guess it works both ways - if that interception hadn't stuck and the ball had got to the Batley Winger, Batley might have won today in spite of Widnes having been on top for most of the game. Equally if Batley had scored first after half-time, it would've been game over.
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45 minutes ago, RSN said:
Initially wanted Batley to beat Widnes but in hindsight for us I think Widnes is the better result as we are now 1 point off 3rd. Every game is winnable apart from Leigh away (hope we rest loads) so praying for a home tie in the play offs.
Seems very unlikely that Widnes could catch Barrow even before today. With only 7 games to play, making up a 7 point deficit is quite a tall order, particularly as Widnes have Leigh, Fev & Halifax in those 7.
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Batley 18 Widnes 24 FT
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Long spell of Batley pressure ends with a Widnes interception try. 18-24 with two minutes to play.
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One way traffic down the hill so far in the second half Batley 18 Widnes 20
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Batley 18 Widnes 16. Home team barely touched the ball so far in the half.
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Batley 18 Widnes 6 HT. Lots of errors in wet conditions, but a much closer game than the scoreboard suggests, with both teams bombing several chances to score.
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My local garage in York has some RLWC promotion on the forecourt, courtesy of sponsors Reign. Not sure why all 3 teams are shown in Black. There's a link to their world cup tickets competition, which I assume is OK to post here:
https://reignbodyfuel.com/en-gb/rfl22/
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France will play Brazil at Cougar Park, Keighley on October 27, preparation for both teams' world cup campaign. I believe Keighley are hosting the game because co-owner Kaue Garcia is Brazilian.
Interesting timing as I think Brazil play England 5 days later, but presumably they're playing not long after arriving off the plane.
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Last update was this one, confirming date (September 1-11), location (Lignano Sabbiadoro, a beach resort in NE Italy) and competing teams (France, Ukraine, England, Ireland, Italy, Serbia, Scotland and Wales) and that it will be u-19s.
https://europeanrugbyleague.com/articles/2148/ukraine-to-take-part-in-euro-u19s-champi
French team had a training camp last week I believe.
Wales have named a squad: https://wrl.wales/wales-name-u19-squad-for-european-championships
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1 minute ago, doc said:
Batley Bulldogs v Widnes Vikings KO 15;00 Vikings by 13
Can't see it - aren't Batley on an 8-match winning streak now? Last time we won there was 2010 I think.
John Kear against his former assistant. I suppose Widnes are on a bit of a roll, having won 4 on the trot, but all against clubs below us in the table.
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8 hours ago, Oxford said:
I did mean in RL terms rather than geographical.
Comparing Queensland with PNG? One of them is a cultural backwater, with decades of political corruption, a dependency on mining to provide jobs and currency, problems with drink and violence. The other...
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On 17/07/2022 at 20:38, Futtocks said:
Aysgarth Falls and Fountains Abbey - both as picturesque as anyone would desire.
Richmond - a charming town where, whichever direction you turn, somehow you're always walking uphill.
Just about to move to that bit of North Yorkshire. Aysgarth falls was Aysgarth rocks today - barely a drop of water.
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22 minutes ago, Usera said:
When York won the Second Division in 1981, the average attendance was around 3,900. Their biggest crowd was against Fulham (7,300). Curiously, they were the third best supported team in the League that year with Fulham and relegated Wigan getting bigger crowds.
They played Hull KR away in the cup second round with nearly 14,000 at Craven Park.
In hindsight, that season was pretty much the high water point of RL crowds at many clubs - much higher than the 1970s and also higher than the years that followed.
York averaged 3475 in 1976-77 in the second division, better than seven of the first division clubs. Hull FC averaged 3860 as winners of division 2, while Featherstone Rovers averaged 3307 as division 1 winners. Only Widnes and Salford averaged over 5000 that season.
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1 hour ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:
Thought all things considered it was one of our better performances Jon. Playing well at 12 - 0, then try a kick through on their 20 metre line and their centre goes 80 metres. Craven comes back on after his head knock and boots it out on the full, two minutes later it's 12 - 12. Must admit I didn't fancy us when they got back to 26 all but thought they stuck in well in those last 10 minutes.
Yes, until the Halsall intercept try, it was all one-way traffic and it was looking like a big Widnes win. We recovered from that, again had all the play and looked like winning easily, then the Lawton sending off brought it all back level.
Thunder might point to the number of players they lost to injury. It must've been difficult managing substitutions in the high temperature. Couple of their younger players impressed. I reckon Sam Halsall is ready to step up to SL with Wigan, and Gideon Boafo caught the eye a few times, he seems to have got bigger since he was at London.
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Exciting game at Widnes. Home team was 26-10 up, but Newcastle fought back to 26-26 against 12 man Widnes. Drop goal with 3 minutes to go for Widnes made it 27-26, then a last minute try made it 33-26.
We seem to have reached the point where the current rules mean Adam Lawton is just too tall to play professional rugby league. He was sent off for a head tackle against a falling player, which I believe the referee doesn't have much option about. Problem is there is essentially absolutely nothing he can do to avoid it - if you're 6 ft 6 or whatever and you tackle someone nearly a foot shorter around the waist and they slip going into the tackle, there really is nothing you can do.
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3 hours ago, OMEGA said:
Our Governing body doesn’t have the vision, the conviction or the nuts to do this properly
In fairness, Rugby League county fixtures had about 100 years history of not attracting much interest from spectators, so this is not something that can be pinned on the current administration.
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Widnes 20 Newcastle 12 at HT. Pretty decent game considering the conditions, albeit quite a high error count, with both teams conceding tries from kick-offs going dead.
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3 hours ago, Hopping Mad said:
the city's appeal as a hen/stag destination has grown
We had the teenage son of a friend visiting York Uni last weekend. Met him at the station at 9:30 Saturday morning and walked over to the Minster, which is maybe a 10 minute walk. I counted over 20 hen parties in that time. Dread to think what it's like in the evening.
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Eddie, no need to wait for Euro XIII, you could have watched a Swedish club against a Czech club today, if you'd made the trip to Malmö to watch Skåne Stags against Mad Squirrels Vrchlabí. 38-34 for the home team.
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7 hours ago, fighting irish said:
That's quite a result for Ghana isn't it?
Hard to say, isn't it? They certainly have come on a long way since the GB Pioneers toured there in 2014, with the 2022 national team selected from 6 different clubs, and also women's, university, youth and schools games this week. Some pretty athletic looking players in all the matches, and quite a lot of people in attendance by the looks of the photos.
Oxford perhaps not one of the strongest University teams, but as IM2 said, great brand recognition, and I'm sure the name helped with things like getting the British High Commission involved and perhaps the Uni was able to help a bit with a donation (AIUI the players had to raise the money themselves). I guess the fact that they beat two teams and lost to the national team in a reasonably competitive game suggests they were an appropriately strong team for the tour - better than turning up and being thrashed, or winning all the games easily.
Ghana lost to Nigeria and beat Cameroon in their last outings; this tour will surely help with their preparation for this year's MEA championships.
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McNamara blasts Huddersfield after IMG discussions
in The General Rugby League Forum
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You don't think Fev has to pay any money at all for stewarding, turnstile operators, electricity bills for floodlights, food for visiting team etc?