Angelic Cynic
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Is this the same RFL Compliance who,to much acclaim,dealt with Mark Aston,before the Independent Panel?
What if,and it appears possible,Salford cannot afford legal representation for an appeal should the RFL reject certain evidence?
As per Mark Aston...
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It is bad.
All done for the benefit of Super League clubs.
The one week loan system is even worse.
I take it the Ben Darwin Team Work Index/ Team Work Cohesion for success is now old hat as the sport of rugby league alters rules,regulations and processes as often as the weather changes.
Professional sport?
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Well,no lack of urgency by the governing body to ensure no repeat of head on a stake gate
When asked about what changes have been made to help prevent a situation happening like this again, it was addressed that several changes have been implemented following the incident. This was after the club agreed to an ‘agreed decision’ with the RFL, which we’re still waiting to hear back on. This meant new things had to be put in place to prevent this happening again. This included improved medical protocols, digital record-sharing between doctors and medical staff with shared calendars and increased visibility to player welfare, and reallocation of medical oversight to avoid conflicts with coaching duties.
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If the Ravens leave London the sport will fall.
https://www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/whats-on/the-ravens/#gs.mua03s
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2 hours ago, DemonUK said:
So from the latest report I read there is the following quote:-
The club say the bridging loan will clear all of the club's debts, which will then unlock money from investors, though it remains unclear what the benefits are for the investment group.
Can someone please explain how, if the locked money that will only be released on repayment of all debts, how it can be released when they have just replaced the debts with another debt. I really don't think that is such a stupid question. I am quite willing to be told it is stupid ......... with an explanation
Where is our Sun Reporter when we need him
Someone on Devil Talk made a post about the assets of the ownership group being frozen.
Possible? Made their ownership announcement in February? If the debts,at that point,we're transferred into their name,it could be possible.I suppose.
I haven't really followed it,and I try to avoid debt,wealthy people,and professional sport where the 'lifeblood' of the sport are ignored.
Hope it helps...
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If the RFL don't hurry up they may miss the opportunity to make an example of Salford,as they did with Mark Aston,and bring about a huge fine for the illegal approach for a player at a supporters run club from a lower league.
A missed opportunity to get some money in the coffers.
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3 hours ago, RigbyLuger said:
Still unsure as to what the inaccuracies were in Davidson's piece, as they've been called out, but not explained!
Omitted ClubCall.It started but didn't last very long.
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45 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
That's nonsense and suggest the RFL are somehow out to get Aston and have concocted this to get at him personally.
Its that kind of thinking that has gotten Mark to waste thousands on this case.
I am waiting for the Super League club which breached the protocols and played a player who should not have played,to be named,and I will see if that club,and the individuals involved,are given the same opprobrium as Mark Aston has endured for such a lengthy period of time.
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Upsetting news.
Heartened by the variety of people who have expressed condolences.
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3 hours ago, Henson Park Old Firm said:
265 pages in and we still haven't finished the first chapter.
The new governing body will take immediate action,unlike the rabble who were removed.
They won't allow the sport to look all amateur and unprofessional.
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19 hours ago, Click said:
That one tweet shows he doesn't know any more, apparently even less than the rest of us.
Seems the players agent on the Podcast of journalist Mr Shaw who mediated between the governing body/Sports Resolutions/Mark Aston is also firmly on the side of Mark Aston.
I hope the governing body is consequently involving itself with the welfare of Mark Aston.
Could be the other side of the evidence will be forthcoming.
Interesting times...
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1 hour ago, RigbyLuger said:
Because someone puts money in, doesn't mean they're more "right" does it?
Of course not.
But I think he may know more back story than the one sided report published.
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Rugby League followers complaining about mainstream media not reporting about a matter disclosed by a journalist deemed to be unreadable and unreliable.
Worse than some club owners and the governing body.
The mainstream media have had years to comment about IMG.
Just give this nonsense a little more time.
I think I am supposed to believe The Ashes series will save the sport...
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14 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:
I wonder how much money this case has cost and how many academy coaches it could have paid for
From an individual who has put more money into the sport than the equivalent cost of a few academy coaches.
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18 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
He appears to have fallen into the trap of believing his own case far too much. Whether that is because he has been promised the world by whatever lawyer he has had who knows.
First it was an argument over procedural technicalities. That may work in a criminal court, where the burden of proof is beyond all reasonable doubt. But the RFL ORT work on balance of probabilities, for which whilst process is important, an issue in this field is not critically undermining.
Fundamentally, Aston's story didn't add up. And even where it did, as the RFL document explains, it would have still been a breach anyway - just for neglect of duty rather than an intentional act.
In a case such as this, balance of probabilities is all that is considered with regards to which story is most likely. Everything I have seen suggests Aston has failed to breach the 50+1 needed to make his version of events appear the most likely.
Then this affadavit turned up, following the Tribunal. I'm not surprised that was not accepted to be included post investigation and Tribunal hearing frankly.
The costs involved are significant, but the RFL are clearly prepared to die on this hill. The cost to the game, currently and in future, of not taking head injuries seriously are huge sums of money. Its also bigger than Aston, who by fighting so unnecessarily on this case, has made himself the fall guy for this much larger issue.
You should always know the limitations and weaknesses of your own case, so that you don't inadvertently spend 10s of thousands on a case you are going to lose.
From your first sentence we don't know his case.
In an era when highly paid actresses from the world of film.Highly paid actors from the world of film.Plus a former member,perhaps,of the Royal Family cannot afford to follow to the end,actions against the disgraceful phone hacking by national newspapers,it is surely acceptable to understand why a head coach of a Championship club should,at this late juncture,call a halt.
It seems some rugby league followers have their own prejudices from which they will not be swayed.
Having a go at the press seems wrong,as does the character assassination of one of the longest serving coaches,and one of the most loyal,multi tasking rugby league enthusiasts to one club in particular.
So much criticism of the RFL governing body year in and year out on each and every conceivable subject and topic,yet once the name of a highly principled,successful individual,comes to the fore,the pile on commences.
I don't have the full facts but if players named,and coach concerned are in agreement.If other individuals defend Mark Aston.Knowing what I do know;I am certainly on the side of Mark Aston on this matter.
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34 minutes ago, Red Willow said:
Do you think Stone got an offer on the morning of the game? this is something he would have known about probably for over a week as a minimum. He could have gone to Rowley as soon as he had the offer and said boss don't pick me.
He has been injured for much of this season, Salford could have sent him home to recover as cost cutting but didn't.
I get the uncertainty over pay isn't what any one would want for a player but Sneyd and Watkins both managed to leave the club with best wishes of everyone.
The then captain,Watkins,didn't play against Wigan,but turned up at the club for training the following day.
https://www.alloutrugbyleague.co.uk/news/leeds-rhinos-kallum-watkins-hopes-1065224
He then told of the mental stress and putting his family first.
Selective amnesia seems an easy option with the unprofessional running of a professional sports club where the lifeblood of the club are given the mushroom treatment.
Awful state of affairs being dragged out and prolonged.
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37 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said:
The only reason the 1895 Cup came into being was to pad out the attendance to the CC Final, and it hasn't really achieved that. It was a poor reason to come up with a competition and I think that's a reflection of where it sits in the running order and the salience of most supporters.
There's a place for a lower-league cup, but not as an encore to a main event.
I was of the opinion it came into being solely because of Derek Beaumont.
He realised non - Super League players would never play at Wembley due to the way the sport and the Challenge Cup is now structured.
He,out the goodness of his heart,decided on the name and gave his sponsorship of it.
I don't think Mr Beaumont got the assistance or full recognition for his efforts.
Full credit Derek Beaumont.Poor from the rest of the hierarchy.
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Has the named CEO who replaced Mr Irwin made any statement,yet?
I think the ownership group that was accepted are part of the arcane coup group at the RFL governing body.
Sports followers of professional sports clubs in England have never had it so good.
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The business owned by the Swiss Banker is apparently dissolved in the future.
3rd June according to the London Gazette.
Reported on Devil Talk.
Can it be true?
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14814178
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Something was supposed to happen in mid-May on this depressing decline
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3 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:
Throwing them out in November bringing the 13th team in and taking away the relegation threat was the action needed imo but weak leadership is never a winner
IMG run the show and they have gradings.
Which club do you think should have been parachuted into Super League at such late notice?
If clubs refused,how large a list of clubs would you have?
Weak leadership has been noticeable over many long years.
It was owners of the Super League clubs who came up with bright ideas,and individuals,and then rescind those decisions.
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10 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:
The failing of the RFL was incompetence, complete not fit for purpose jobsworths who couldn’t smell bull droppings from roses. Allowed the season to start when it was too late to kick them out because they swallowed the garbage
It may have been the RFL being satisfied with what they were hearing from Salford Council.
When the CEO's of the councils are given such high salaries,in a country where money is so important,those taking less of a salary tend to listen.Sadly.
If the RFL did their checks,established that funds were available.They were associated with a player/coach at the club.The council could put a CEO in position at the club,what else could a governing body do when their ultimate aim is to fulfill the fixture list and provide the broadcasting company with the required number of games.
Be strange for the governing body to remove clubs at the earliest signs of financial problems.
I seem to recall the inchoate coaching career of Paul Rowley at Leigh being beset by financial problems and only Leigh being saved from relegation by the liquidation of Gateshead Thunder.
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1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:
The way Salford were dealt with was shambolic and left the sport with no options, that alone should have been enough for swords to be voluntarily fallen on.
Could you explain how the Salford situation has been dealt with post coup as opposed to pre coup?
No action appears to have been taken - but the situation has deteriorated.
Cynics (?) may think that this is the position best suited for Bradford Bulls.
How has the impact on the sport and its income improved since Nigel Wood rode to the rescue?
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