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  1. Well said Marauder, Barla did not stop anybody playing in any league and Barla cannot stop anybody playing as Barla do not run any Playing league, some Playing leagues are affiliated to Barla as some are to the RFL. this was the Pennine League that stopped players from Fryston going on block to another club and this was only in the Pennine League. The YML have stopped Fryston, Queens, Ossett and Upton but Upton have now been accepted, Think this may have come from an higher sauce to get Upton possibly in to the NCL. only my thoughts.
  2. The Pennine league tried to work with the YML and took their playing season to start later in September but the YML just made theirs longer and now starts earlier. think the YML and the RFL seem to want to get rid of Winter Rugby but cant see why as they do not have near enough referee`s to run all summer. what dates did you receive on the 9th November and for what league as the NCL had only just finished on the 28th October and the YML had not registered teams. we had a few NCL teams enter but 2 pulled out due to other commitments, Wedding etc.
  3. The Barla cups are set in the RFL Calendar The National cup starts before the Yorkshire cup final as the Final used to be held between Xmas and the New Year, years ago almost everybody had the week off between Xmas and New Year but that is now a working week and people find it hard to get time off during that week. Any cups within a league are run by the league. Any Barla cup and the Scholarships as well as the Academy games are all in the RFL Calendar, The National cup dates for all ages were put in on the 9th November but overlooked by the RFL with the u16`s on the 18th February as the scholarships started. If 2 teams are in the Yorkshire or National cup from the Pennine League then it is the discretion of the Pennine league if they wish to get this game played on a different date due to weather or cancellations, Most are played on the dates given in the RFL Calendar. The Yorkshire cup Final was brought forward a week due to the Challenge cup with one of the finalists in both, The NCL date of the 3rd March was brought forward as the NCL season started. The dates Barla gave on the 9th November was before any fixtures or dates were given out by the RFL or the NCL league so Barla have bent over again to allow clubs to play.
  4. Bang Right, or if nothing to play for the players leave and then the team has not got enough players to compete. this is working both ways as the Summer teams come August are folding too. It was all fine when all clubs played the same season as if someone left they had nowhere to go as the transfer stopped in February. the other problem why teams are folding from the lack of players is unlimited registrations. a winter team has over 100 players signed on, if this was brought back to how it was and maybe a few more, 35 per team then the other 65 plus would have to find somewhere else to play instead of just signing for the best team in the area and not playing one game. this has killed the small clubs.
  5. Barla once put all the dates for the National cup on the RFL Calendar but the NCL league would not allocate these dates as they wanted the clubs to play league matches, Barla now run the first 3 rounds before the NCL start their season and in between the Challenge cup dates. The RFL decided to bring out their own Competition the Challenge Trophy but have decided they don't know how to run a competition and loose money so they have scraped it this year. The Barla dates for the semi and Final are on Easter Saturday and the final is on Mayday weekend which the NCL teams do not play games or some do as catch up weekends. The Semi Finals are West Hull v Ovenden and Thatto Heath v Hadydock. That is 2 NCL teams in the Semi`s and Hunslet Club Parkside won it last year, Thornhill the year before and Egremont before that. That is 3 NCL winners in the last 3 years and both Thatto Heath & West Hull are in the semi`s as well as both were involved in the Challenge cup. It is the NCL teams that do not wish to participate but you cant make a team play as the Summer NCL season now is 10 months of the year, Some starting in January in the Challenge cup and finishing in November in the finals. cant really blame them myself for not taking part as its a long season. Hopefully this answers your questions Davo5 and little no it all.
  6. All the Barla cups are open to any club, not team, its up to the club who plays in the cup games, Egremont won the National cup 3 years ago and put their A team against Oulton in the NCL and played their first team in the semi final that the NCL was not happy about. The RFL and associate summer leagues wish to finish winter rugby off altogether and have sole power over all the playing leagues, there doing a good job as we have lost more clubs in last 5 years since summer rugby than we have in last 25 years previously. The Amateur game is struggling throughout and now the RFL with their so called community ideas are trying to kill off the youth game which by the looks of the comments Youth leagues are not happy with.
  7. The only reason Barla stopped playing the game between Xmas and new year is due to nobody being interested if it fell on a weekday between Xmas & New Year, years ago people had the week off but things have changed. The Yorkshire Youth & Junior cups were always played before Xmas but again due to the Season now finishing in November the fixtures cannot be fit in before Xmas. Featherstone are at home on the 21st January against York and also at home the 14th Jan as well as the 4th & 11th Feb.
  8. Hi, The dates of the Yorkshire cup has to be sent out when the entry form is sent out in August, This was before the Rugby League fixtures were out, once the Pro fixtures are published which was in November then the pro clubs can sort out their pre season friendly`s. Barla had originally put down for the 20th & 21st as well as the 28th. The fixtures could have been changed to the 21st but due to Featherstone at home to York on this date we had to stick to the date originally given of the 28th. Due to Featherstone home on the 14th, 21st Jan & 4th & 11th Feb we are a bit stuck for a venue and as well as the Scholarship games at the end of January and all through February we also have to get the u16`s final as well as the National open age & youth & junior games played before all leagues start playing. hope this answers your comment as the Yorkshire cup final was in the RFL calendar in August before any other games were put in including the Challenge cup.
  9. First round draw, teams from Hull were in the cup and are still in it, you was looking at the prel round to get the teams down to the last 16. there is a drop in entry for u18`s from 26 last year to 20 this year but Cumbria do not run an u18`s league, U16`s was the same and u14`s have 2 more this year. Under 18`s First Round Leigh East v Ince Rose Bridge Waterhead v Orrall St James Dewsbury Celtic v Blackbrook Wigan St Pats v West Bank Bears BYES:- Crosfields, Halton Farnworth, Leigh Miners, Lock Lane, Oulton, Rylands, Skirlaugh, Stanningley, Thatto Heath, West Hull, Wibsey Warriors, Wigan St Judes. Under 18`s Quarter Final West Hull v Blackbrook Lock Lane v Skirlaugh Wigan St Judes v Waterhead or Leigh Miners Wibsey Warriors v Thatto Heath
  10. Barla was a pain to the RFL but now they are not as the RFL have full control and as you said the RFL run the referee`s, does anybody think the RFL will allow somebody to take over all the amateurs and run them as if the RFL allows this then they would be bigger than the RFL themselves, The RFL money would stop. Not a prayer.
  11. You wont be able to play for your County or Internationals if your club is not a member as from this year plus if a team in Yorkshire joins the Yorkshire cup at all age groups and the National Cup they end u quids in, Why do all the people slag Barla down when Barla try to do something then in the next breath say Barla don't do owt. the club membership will give all the teams in a club free entry to the County and National cups as well as giving players the chance to play for their county and Country as they will be a member. Why should a player that is not a Member of Barla get Barla honours this is the questions being asked by the NCL as well as other Youth leagues as it wont be long before they are stopped from doing it and that is not through Barla.
  12. Barla have always had a membership since 1973, People say what is Barla doing for the game, they try to do something and they get shot down again. If a club is a member of Barla weather they have NCL, summer men`s league or Youth & Junior teams in it they will be covered for international and 3 counties as they will be a member at all age groups. As it is now the players going on tour are not members of Barla so for £25 all their players will be eligible and clubs who enter the National cups and Yorkshire cups will be pounds in. Not Rocket science.
  13. Maybe your right, let Barla throw money in like they did with the Cumbria mens league as the RFL would not, Barla gave them money each year and then they said were off with the RFL. good support from the Cumbria League. As the ex Leeds & District secretary I cannot remember anytime in the last 26 years Barla giving the Leeds & District any money or financial help, I cannot remember when they gave my club anything apart from 1 year free insurance. I cannot see how anybody can build a sport up that is dying as is football, rugby union & Cricket. all sport is the same. Many clubs do support Barla with the National & Yorkshire cups but we cannot run a league for them as we do not run leagues, give each club £2000, that will be gone in weeks. Getting publicity for the game in Leeds is something already done by the Leeds Rugby Foundation that have plenty of money and people that are in a paid job that get paid to go around schools and clubs. Sorry Marauder but the Roger Fagge comment, Ha Ha Ha Ha. that's all I can say. I hope the RFL allows a new organisation to set up as everybody is wishing for that to happen, I myself do not think this will ever happen, Barla was a pain in the side for the RFL for many years and for them to allow another organisation to set up I just cant see it, you would only get one vote as it is today and you would be outvoted at every meeting as it is now, what the RFL want they get. I can see points on all sides and wish it was as it was in 70`s & 80`s when Barla took over the amateur game with all amateur leagues and clubs as members. Barla did the job then but are not strong enough to do it now and the RFL cannot and never will be able to run the amateur game. Good luck for the future which ever way it goes.
  14. Bang Right, Barla do not have the support of the Amateur game, strength in numbers, all the playing leagues signed up to the Operational rules under the RFL if not sanctions would be put on them, the RFL bullied everybody to sign so they would be recognised as the governing body of Rugby League and with that comes money. that's why the RFL have the power and time as they have more employees and everybody gets paid. The District Leagues that run Barla are near enough non existent due to the RFL rules that no team or club has to be a member of a district league to play rugby. The RFL cannot and will never be able to run the amateur game and that's why its on a downward spiral.
  15. Sam, some people that write on this forum was on the Barla board when the youth & juniors left Barla, most of the Barla committee that are in now was not, they have come on the board with not much left to hold on to. Barla are not putting their head in the sand but they do no longer run Youth & Juniors or any open age playing leagues, all Barla can run now is the County Cups, National Cup, 3 Counties and internationals. The Youth & Junior leagues all have a representative at the Youth & Junior meetings so all them have a say and a vote. if the Youth & Juniors cannot change anything how can Barla when no youth & juniors leagues are affiliated to them. Barla do not wish to concentrate only on open age as the County & national cup runs Youth & Junior & open age. the figures below are based on a team with 13 players only, many teams have 18-25. Yorkshire Cup, 12`s,......28 teams.......364 players 13`s........31 teams......403 players 14`s........31 teams......403 players 15`s........24 teams......312 players 16`s.......29 teams.......377 players 17`s.......14 teams.......182 players 18`s.......10 teams.......130 players Total.........................2171 players National cup 14`s........39 teams.......507 16`s........37 teams.......481 18`s........25 teams.......325 Total...........................1213 That is the juniors that are in Barla cups and without the stats from the Cumbria Youth & Junior cups. This also shows what age groups you start loosing teams as kids these days have better things to do and sport is not one of them, there is too much now for kids to do at home as 15 years ago there was not. Football have money as do RU and both are seeing a downward slide in players at Youth level. How are Barla not interested in Youth & Juniors when we have cup`s for them and a 3 Counties U17`s competition. If people have blinkers on they will only look in one direction and find somebody to blame, if Barla folded tomorrow nothing would change, the RFL run the show with the community Board.
  16. People write stuff but where are your actions at combating the situation, its up to you on the youth & juniors to sort this out, Barla do NOT have a vote on the Youth & Juniors. Barla do NOT run youth & juniors so why not all the Youth & Junior leagues get a new organisation to run all Youth & Juniors as everyone keeps saying. Cause the RFL would not allow it.
  17. I only knew Jackie Reid for a short time and had not much knowledge of what he did in the past so I wanted some of the Barla board who knew him better to write something, I only found out late Wednesday afternoon and did not return home till late after a rugby meeting and by Thursday morning a short clip was on followed by more info both on the Facebook BARLA and the Barla website. Hopefully that was enough Drivel for you Wilber. Spelt right this time.
  18. Sam you are right in many ways but what I ment was what you said, Barla was not listening, the RFL has control and the exodus of leagues and did actually start with the Yorkshire juniors earlier with pulling out of Barla. The RFL allowed this to happen and turned away allowing anybody to pull out. If anyone thinks a new organisation will start or a new Barla board will get things changed they are living in cloud coo-coo land, you cant even start a new league without the approval of the RFL, Once you signed the Operational rules then you signed over to the RFL as Barla did due to been told we would not get referee`s at any Barla games. Barla have not thrown the towel in but run the Cups, 3 counties and internationals. That's it. Barla no longer have any say over the remaining Playing leagues or District Leagues i keep saying but nobody listens, BARLA do not get a vote on Youth & juniors and have no say and never will have unless everyone pulls away from the RFL and community board which will not happen., they no longer run any Youth & Juniors apart from in a cup competition and the 3 Counties at 17`s.
  19. You have been in Rugby League a long time, The Yorkshire juniors came out of Barla due to not getting there own way, this was before most of the committee that are here now was on the Board, NCL also went but that was down to Barla allowing them to, if they had not allowed them to they would have gone anyway. Most leagues now play summer under the RFL, if all Amateur was under one roof then a voice could be heard but that will never happen as the Youth & juniors want different than the Open age, The NCL want to run their league themselves. Barla will never please everyone and neither will the RFL.
  20. Barla had many meetings with the district leagues who run Barla as you will know, to ask what they wished to do about signing the operational rules, Barla do not run a playing league but with the playing leagues that are still full members of Barla, Pennine and Hull they agreed to sign up as the RFL was going to stop referee`s and a lot more. Barla do not have a youth & junior chair as Barla do no longer run any youth & juniors and do not get a say at any meetings regarding Youth & juniors that was said by Kelly Barrett. Barla represent the District leagues on the community board but like I have said they have an input but will be voted out every time due to the amount of RFL delegates on the community board. The Barla board are all voted on District League management, agreed at the last Barla AGM and voted on. District Leagues have collapsed due to a club not having to be in a district league to play rugby, many years ago as you will know all clubs had to be members of a district league to play in any playing league, Only Hull & District and the Pennine still work to this rule. Jackie Reid is a Barla Trustee but never comes to any meetings, he gets all the minutes and agenda`s of meetings. All full paid up members of Barla would benefit if Barla was to fold. All the assets of Barla can be seen at an AGM when the balance sheet is accepted. Good luck with the new Amateur governing body.
  21. Yes History and that's how it will stay History, Barla did the job many years ago and this was good for the game at the time, Barla do no longer run many of the district leagues, the RFL said you do not have to be in a district league to play rugby. tap in to revenue streams, why, Barla have the money but while the RFL run referee`s, child protection, insurance and many other aspects of the game they will continue to run the game. like I have said the Youth & juniors have a vote and go to meetings Barla do not, when everybody at amateur signed up to the Operational rules and in the end so did Barla and Hull, you signed up to the RFL now you are crying cause Barla cant do owt. Barla do not get a vote on the Youth & juniors and no matter who is in charge of Barla they still will not. Barla are and will be out voted at every meeting as the RFL has more people in their pockets. If everybody stuck together instead of squabbling and writing letters then the game may go forward, Barla would never be strong enough now to do anything to change what is happening. Try setting up a new organisation and see how far you would get or apply to sit on the board yourselves and you may then see the brick wall that is in front of you.
  22. After being with a club for 30 years and a District league for 26 years I cannot see what BARLA have done for either but saying that I cannot see what the RFL have done for my team or District either or what are they are going to do for them now. The game is in decline but this is not due to winter/summer but due to kids not being interested in sport although Rugby Union is rubbing its hands in Hull and Yorkshire as kids are playing Union now in Winter and not coming back. mobile phones, computer games and tablets have a lot to do with it as well as working the weekend for the Youth & open age players. No Youth then no open age. Does anybody think if BARLA throws the towel in the RFL and community board would allow some other organisation to jump in and set up for the amateur game, NO. The RFL was to put sanction on all leagues that did not sign up for the operational rules, No referee`s, No child protection, No insurance and many more items was going to be stopped. BARLA are allowed to sit at meetings but do not get a say or a vote in any Youth & junior as they are all under the RFL and community board weather you are independent or not. Barla run the Yorkshire Youth & Junior cups with over 3000 youth & junior players involved, the National Youth & Junior cups with over 4000 involved, The Yorkshire & National Cups at open age as well as the 3 counties and internationals. that's as far as Barla go. The RFL run everything, when tours are sorted out and when Barla can play the 3 Counties games. At youth & Juniors you all have a vote and a say which Barla do not have. If all the playing Leagues & District Leagues went back to Barla and a new committee was put in place what is going to happen, more money NO, more players NO, Super League will still take the academy players weather you like it or not and the RFL and community board will still set the rules that you and Barla still play under.
  23. All the youth & juniors jumped ship as well as the NCL NWC and most other leagues and went with the RFL, how can anyone blame Barla when they thought the grass was greener. blame the RFL and Super League clubs.
  24. Everyone knows the problems the Pennine League has had this season, if the NCL had not poached half of the Premier teams it would still have been a good league but which other leagues in the country could they have got the teams from? The Hull clubs would not want the travel and the Cumbria teams are the same, Any NWC teams entering in the bottom NCL division would be in Yorkshire every other week. Pennine teams are neutral for the travel and was good enough to enter. Next season will be a good season as teams are now interested in the Premier Division and all teams will have settled and decided where they want to play. I think myself a few more will drop out of the NCL (not saying the teams that have just gone in) and a few will return from the Yorkshire mens league. The Amateur game in itself as I keep saying is struggling, Youth players are not interested and dwindling fast, Open age players now have work commitments that years ago most players had the weekend off or just worked the Saturday morning but now Saturday and Sunday is a work day as well as the pressure of not getting injured.
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