Niels
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3 hours ago, JohnM said:
Obviously, if the investigation proves that City are guilty, they'll have to suffer the consequences and serves them right.
However, so far, they have been charged with alleged financial breaches, not "convicted" as it were.
If this were a criminal charge, then obviously, they would be innocent until proved guilty.
That rule clearly does not apply here, which is why, presumably, they are being treated by some as guilty until proven innocent.
I hope they do fight it and win.
I feel very uncomfortable about any possible repurcussions. I don't like punishments that hurt or affect fans.
I since read that any punishment cannot be imposed retrospectively. So would only be applicable from the season of the verdict.
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7 hours ago, DI Keith Fowler said:
I can assure you, I'm not! I've just been reading some of the more respectable journos on twitter who have been covering this for a while.
I'm not sure in terms of punishment, it's very open ended by the looks of things, those things you mention are possible also fines. There's a bit of speculation regarding the financial impact on clubs throughout the league being recompensed (i.e. teams who didn't qualify for Europe in years City did), I don't think anyone really knows right now.
2019 is the point at which the investigation opened and they stopped co-operating with the Premier League. So not as such no it's more than they haven't been charged for those years due to absence of evidence, although they have been charged for obstructing the investigation for those years. It might be the independent commission see that act as an admission of guilt in line with the preceding years and act accordingly.
It made me smile when I read that one of the punishments could be replaying games!
That could be a minefield. Maybe they may have to play the Aguero QPR game, but with everyone 11 years older!
Or the Aston Villa match last year, but with Steven Gerrard back as their manager!
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1 hour ago, DI Keith Fowler said:
There's been rumblings around this for some time now, to be honest I assumed it would just get kicked into the long grass as a fight the PL don't want to have. Maybe the moves towards an independent regulator have forced their hand into offering a sacrificial lamb?
In any case, I understand there is no recourse for appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and any appeal would be through the English legal system. However we will at least know what the potential punishments are when the independent commission rules even if the appeals get tied up in years of legal wrangling.
You are more knowledgeable than all I have read on other forums!
What punishments do you think are likely? I have read all sorts from relegation to removal of premier league trophies.
Surprisingly, they only won 3 in the period upto 2018 I think? Man utd finished second twice and Liverpool once.
Presumably anything from 2019 is safe? (That phrase reminds me of Bullseye and Jim Bowen lol)
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5 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Was the horse Turkish as well?
It was bred in Germany I think.
It was 4th at 20/1 so paid out each way
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6 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Very interesting, I'll definitely look into communist football more.
I think my mate is from a small town just outside Gelschenkirchen and just lives in Essen now for work so we'll forgive him!
He last came over here for a visit in 2017 and we did a long trip around Yorkshire. I remember when we went to Bradford to visit the film museum, we were sat outside there talking about football and he said, and I quote, "Bradford reminds me of Gelschenkirchen". No I don't really know what that means either, just take from that what you will!
Gelsenkirchen has a large Turkish diaspora.
Both the footballers Ozil and Gundogan were born there and played for Schalke.
There was also a horse running at Sandown today called Schalke
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4 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:
Yeah only 1 league title for Bayern before Bundesliga and then you get teams such as Nuremburg who've won 9 titles but only 1 since the Bundesliga came about and Schalke who've won 7 titles but none in the current era.
That's very interesting. Schalke haven't won since 1957 I think?
In East Germany BFC Dynamo won 10 titles in a row from 1979 but are now in a regional 4th division.
I recently bought a book about German football which I am looking forward to reading.
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Not a single song as such but this month's record collector has a great feature on the best soul albums of 1973.
Usually I like rock, but I played some of the cds and they are amazing and socially aware. A follow on to Marvin Gaye and what's going on. The O'Jays Ship Ahoy is almost progressive. I also like Teddy Pendergrass who was lead singer of Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes.
It's worth a look if you can.
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1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:
Missed their chance
Yes I agree. Sheffield United should beat them at home.
It's very open now.
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4 hours ago, Wolford6 said:
Wrexham FA Cup game on BBC at 4pm. A friend of mine is the Project Manager for the new stand.
They did well. A draw and nearly won.
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2 hours ago, Mumby Magic said:
Surprised I'm the first to write this. David Crosby 81 The Byrds.
Thanks for highlighting this.
It's very sad. He was very prolific recently, releasing many new CDs.
I think his best song was "Everybody's been burned" from the Byrds Younger than Yesterday album. It always felt very poignant and moving.
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3 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:
Just watching the new South Africa T20 league whereby each team has a direct connection to an IPL team in both team colours, name and some synergy with players.
An example of this is MI Cape Town (Mumbai Indians).
Could this be the model that usurps the Blast and the Big Bash eventually?
Syndicated teams from the IPL appearing in each major cricketing region for a T20 competition.
Do you welcome our IPL overlords?
I read that there are 3 million Indians in South Africa, most live in Durban. I think they have some connection with Kolcatta?
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6 minutes ago, Mark said:
Somw big names in Q school this year, I got to the final qualifier in the UK open once, had to win three sames at that stage to qualify for the TV stage. Won the first game quite easy with around 74 average and thought "yes ill murder this" then come upon a Scottish international who demolished me averaging around 95 and getting 5 180's in 6 legs. I only won a leg as he missed 9 darts at a double! Its hard up on that stage
That's a very good achievement.
74 averages are seen at the tv events sometimes.
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2 hours ago, hw88 said:
I have a feeling it was £999,999.99p so that he didn't have the pressure of being the first £million player!
I reckon if you look at whoever is top of the different divisions today they will have spent more than most of their rivals to get there.
Yes Also they bought Francis in 1979, the year after they won the league. He didn't win the league with them.
The league winning team was made up of signings most other teams discarded. McGovern, O'Hare, Burns etc. Shilton was a key buy but he was the only expensive signing.
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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:
They didn't play in Gretna for most of that time.
They are 'back' as a phoenix club now playing the Lowland League.
I think they played at Fir Park, Motherwell, season 2007/8 as Raydale Park didn't meet requirements.
The other seasons they played in Gretna though.
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6 hours ago, Madrileño said:
The total population of Gretna is about 3000 people. The area has zero history of ANY interest in League. Out of these 3000 people, how many do you think are keen to start playing League?
I have no idea what you mean by "Gretna got decent crowds" they have never even had a team to my knowledge! Are you talking about a local football club or something? Or a rugby union team?
They were a soccer team.They reached the Scottish cup final in 2006 and also the Premier league. However they couldn't sustain it due to the ill health of their backer.
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4 minutes ago, Eddie said:
To what purpose? I’m not trying to be cantankerous, I’ve got a lot of time for your posts @Niels, but what would some 15 year old lads from Bradford or Halifax playing for Scotland do for the game?
Thank you Eddie, I appreciate your kind words. I enjoy reading your posts too.
I think you raise a good question. I am not sure to be honest. The only thing I can think of is that it would benefit boys who are half Scottish and really wanted to play for Scotland? If they could find a few they would be able develop them together?
But if they became too good then presumably they could opt for England or Great Britain instead?
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7 hours ago, Phil W said:
Tend to agree to be honest. I know Edinburgh are doing some good work at community level. But it would be good to see what is being done in Scotland itself to grow the game.
I think there will be some under 16s in England who are half English and Scottish who can attend the Bradford trials.
They are entitled to play for either so I think it's a good idea to try to attract them for Scotland.
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18 minutes ago, Josef K said:
I put £10 Each Way on Liverpool yesterday at Coral to win the league at 33/1, that is definitively the last of my betting for 2022.
I believe a lot of football supporters are calling the VAR/football a farce and a joke after Leeds lost at home to Arsenal.I wonder if those Leeds Rhinos fans who said they’d had enough of RL and would go and watch Leeds Utd instead, have realised that it’s not just RL that has its problems. Sport always will have controversial moments until the day we get RoboRefs (without machine guns).
But even they would have stopped working at Elland Road today.You got a good bet.
I lost a £5 free bet on the Liverpool v Man City game. In hindsight, Liverpool at 13/5 were the best bet to have.
I opted for 10/11 Man City, which was poor considering Liverpool never lose at home.
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I noticed Derek came over to applaud the Batley fans and encouraged his players to do the same. This was at the end of the game when Leigh were entitled to solely enjoy winning.
I thought this showed a very magnanimous and respectful attitude.
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9 hours ago, Andrewj said:
Wakefield have a new internally promoted coach who is so far unknown (as the main man). Can he motivate a team that Warrington and Toulouse kept up ??
In fairness though they would have stayed up any year with that number of points. It wasn't because of other teams.
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9 minutes ago, EggFace said:
Wasn't he a League fan as always remember him on Tv taking the Fijian Rugby League team out for a bottle of Brown Ale in Newcastle in 1995 when the Rugby League World Cup was on or was I dreaming ?
I think you are probably correct, he was good friends with Jonathan Davies.
I didn't realise he had died whilst on a charity trek in Peru.
It's very sad. Despite being Welsh he was never biased to them. For me, he was a commentator who made a game interesting even when it was poor, by his insightful comments.
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5 hours ago, Irish Saint said:
Eddie Butler Welsh Rugby Union captain and BBC commentator aged 65.
May he rest in peace
He always came over as very knowledgeable and fair.
I always enjoyed listening to his commentary.
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Most of the games are going ahead including my team.
I can understand why the Manchester United v Leeds game is off, having seen the number of Police needed last year.
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2 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:
Responses to the Queen's death have interesting in my experience:
Real-life: people saying 'awww' a lot and generally saying they were sadder than they thought they'd have been.
Facebook: very similar with a lot of people posting something soppy about the Queen and Prince Philip.
Twitter: people making out like the Queen is basically worse than Hitler, the UK is like North Korea, people of x group shouldn't be sad because of x and subsequent outrage back and forth over reactions.
I think as a game we have paid a proper and respectful tribute.
The minutes' silences, the national anthem, the respect and eulogies from the presenters have been excellent.
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That average attendance was excellent for the period. 1982-86 football was in decline so it's difficult to compare.
Tottenham only averaged 2,000 more in the first division for the same duration.