Posts posted by Lowdesert
13 minutes ago, Dave T said:
There was an article last year that said which rules would be used, but I suspect this may change again 12m on.
I'll be honest, the amount of faffing means I'm not really sure of RL's rules any more. Some kicks to touch are not scrums, some fouls are not penalties, there's something called a 20:40 which I've never seen, some sets get 7 tackles, some 6....
The one thing I always found with RL's rules is that there was an element of logic to them. A kick to touch was a scrum. Now it depends whether it was in the 40 or 20, where it lands, what tackle it is etc.
Its confusing to the fans and you can see the players confused sometimes.
I think habits will be formed in both hemispheres which will affect decisions on the pitch during the WC. The NRL seems to be getting a better balance to the head tackle rules but our TV covered games seem to always have debatable incidents. Fonua as an example.
Chase down of kickers - I would always coach continuing right up to and (fairly) into the kicker. These days that is a risk. NRL games I’ve seen aren’t fussing round these so much.
I know your views on the PTB but I think that will be a habit related problem for us. Not dramatic but it will be just our luck to fall foul of it in a key game.
I don’t think I would want the ex coach in a position of seniority above me.
5 minutes ago, frank said:
They need to sort out that play the ball or there will be big problems come the WC. Terrible to watch.
It is creeping into the NRL as well. I can see that being left alone but we will see.
I’ve had a feeling this might happen but Matt Peet puts it across better than I could.
Made me think of this when Herbie Farnworth ripped the ball out after other players dropped off the tackle at the weekend.
Also confirms that these rule changes weren’t fully discussed with Wigan.
12 minutes ago, DoubleD said:
He may simply prefer playing for Jamaica..................much like some Australian/NZ born Tongans and Samoans. So unless he's stated an interest in representing England, the discussion is academic
Yeah agreed. What’s new!
18 minutes ago, DoubleD said:
Has Dom Young shown any indication that he would like to play for England in the forthcoming World Cup or are people just aimlessly speculating?
All I've seen is his intention to represent Jamaica
It is speculation on my part but I’m unsure of his youth career or whether he played any junior rep games for England. In my opinion, he has come on so well,he should go in the England squad at least. If Wane doesn’t consider him then it would be disappointing.
If he goes with Jamaica it will be good to see him test himself at that level anyway.
43 minutes ago, meast said:
I doubt you'll find anyone from Huddersfield able to agree with that.
1st year he was alright wasn’t he?
4 hours ago, audois said:
Good Monday. 40 French players assemble at Gilbert Brutus today. Preparing for the 2022 WC. Clubs include Huddersfeild, Salford, Halifax, London Broncos and Barrow at this stage. Historic weekend with Dragons-TO for the first time to win games/ feeling on top of the world at this moment. Laurent Frayssinous coach with Maxime Greseque help in hand. Later Sean Long should be involvred along with the out standing Roosters boss Trent Robinson.
Interesting seing the half-backs included. Fages-Mourgue, Gigot-Albert and youngsters Rouge-Fabre.
When was it ever like that?
What is the state of play with Morgue? Due to return soon?
3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
What LD means is Leigh can have an academy but only Catagory 2 which is a very sub-standard set up of a college league not populated by many teams and also of a standard that is somewhat undesirable so none of the better youths will go to it, or put another way no kids will percolate through the system to reach pro/semi pro level, whilst all the Leigh youth who may have had a preference to join their home town club are free to go to Wigan, Saints or Wire or any other of the remaining 10 the nearest being Huddersfield, and these clubs then if the kid is good enough to go through the system will get a dispensation on the salary cap, leaving the club free to spend more of the cap on better player's, just another reason why every club who wants to run an academy should be given the opportunity to do so.
And the information on the link LD posted is out of date, Bradford, HKR and Castleford after pressure were allowed an academy a few weeks after the Academy Structure was announced, making a lot of the spiel to substansiate their first decision and announcement of only allowing 10 clubs to have Cat 1 academies ill-founded and uncorroborated.
So for the 3rd time "It Stinks"
The offer for 2024 isn’t out of date H, it is still on the table and on the RFL website today. Like I said, if there is the amount on the table at Leigh like you say, why wait complaining. Set your own Cat 2 up and make it great or carry on the way you are now.
For what it’s worth, I agree with you to an extent. However, the plan to offer Cat 1 only to clubs who fulfilled all the criteria was in the pipeline for some time. There is key information online if you look hard enough. That’s all I will say on the matter.
2 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:
There. If you can´t read I´m going to put you on mute.
Correct. It wasn’t this "Don´t worry, Leigh are only banned from having a full time academy to produce full timeplayers"
Just now, ShropshireBull said:
There. If Leigh want to put 400k into a full time academy we should be biting both their hands off.
Jeez, you’ve changed your name but not the approach! Where have I said this? Show me the quote.
"Don´t worry, Leigh are only banned from having a full time academy to produce full timeplayers"
14 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:
You asked how can we produce more SL players, I said don´t ban them from having an academy to which you responded "Don´t worry, Leigh are only banned from having a full time academy to produce full time players". That´s the point.
Show me that exact quote.
See my comments to Harry. If Leigh can’t have a Cat 2 academy why not start their own set up. There seems to always be reference to this £400k available to fund an academy so why not start using it to develop something rather than nothing.
2 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:
So a full time academy to grow full time players. Brilliant...
not sure what your point is?
2 hours ago, barnyia said:
To open up to families they need to forget playing on Friday nights at 20h30. Non of the out of towners can make the game and most teams train on Friday nights, it's a big shame the French derbies are going to be on a Thursday night too.
Is that an affect of Sky programming and the 1 hour time difference?
Putting the odd match on at 1830 uk time would not kill Sky and there should be consideration by SLE for genuine Derbies. I could be wrong but a guaranteed packed house on a weekend is not so guaranteed on a Thursday!
6 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:
It appears Sean Long is remaining in place.
With that scenario surely Austin and Sezer will click sooner than later.
Impressed by Long stating his praise for Agar when he was appointed at Leeds;despite the Hull Thunder critics.
I think the process to appoint a new coach will take care of the Long situation anyway. This way, Leeds retain a certain amount of continuity and the new coach will make his own decisions on who he want or doesn't.
Austin and Sezer are experienced pro's though. They should be leading the team, not being nursemaided into whether it should be led or not. They should have clear roles. Lead the team and set examples. Sezer was a good player for Hudds but isnt for Leeds. Austin, imo, is good when a team is dominating but doesnt have the physical presence to help when the team is defending. Both need a kick up the backside, more than once.
4 minutes ago, redjonn said:
maybe but given the low salary cap and Leeds revenues I have always thought why they don't spend more in the overall coaching setup. That is more specialised coaching a little like union. Listening to players and others Agar is said to be very technical and analytic in his understanding of the game.
Listening to some of his press conferences I get the sense he is frustrated by the team not following the game plan and some of the poor skill execution and discipline - hence his recognition he ain't getting through to the players.
I think he will have been on good money. The players should be performing better than they have though. They have some terrific talent available but lack a couple of hard working, tackle anything forwards imo.
Anyway, looking forward to the next thread on JJBs first media piece
23 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Thanks for the clarification LD, Leigh does have have affiliation with the local Further Education Institution, and the extract below is a complete fabrication, the competition is anything but Highly Competitive in fact it OS as much use as a button on a sock.
These clubs will be able to operate Development Academies which are run in conjunction with Further Education Institutions, and play in the highly competitive Colleges competition.
Clubs whose applications were unsuccessful have been provided with an explanation, and advised that they will be able to reapply in 2024.
1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:
The present licences are up to 2027, not much point in applying in 2024.
I could have quite easily responded with a one liner but, because i want to see academies and kids develop, attached this link. Have a read.
If Beaumonts approach is something like "we have £400k doing nothing", then I suggest a re-think.
Employ a good coach to run it. Someone with ambition and a genuine intent to develop kids. Something Peet appears to have been or any others like him, and kids will play.
5 minutes ago, Dave T said:
Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with your first line (and I am referring to the young kids here, my daughter is 5). The things she enjoyed was going to the shop to look at the toy wolfies and buy a Wire shirt, playing in the concourses, having food and drink, getting her face painted, pointing out the flame machines and the dancers. Once the noise started she covered her ears
I think your point is right once they get a bit older, the atmosphere is certainly an attraction, but even older kids are attracted to the entertainment elements.
If we think a large noisy crowd attracts 4 to 6 year old then I think we are barking up the wrong tree.
Just out of interest. What position were you in the stand? Lower down, nearer the pitch, or to the back, furthest away?
3 minutes ago, daz39 said:
Oh and what the hell was with the kids screeching the announements down the microphone? jeez, no offence but that was horrid and certainly added nothing to the match day experience.
It would have been part of the Hull FC ‘kids takeover’ initiative. Radio Humberside ‘interviewed’ the young coach for the day and a few others on air.
Getting kids involved is a good thing don’t you think?
11 hours ago, Dave T said:
I see nothing to be offered as any kind of mitigant. That is the worst tackle I have seen for a long time, and far worse than any punch or any other offence we have seen punished recently at 5 matches.
This really should be a long ban.
Pomeroys tackle for Catalans v Cas was very similar. IIRC he got 6 matches.
If the panel is consistent with the approach this year then that would be increased.
Hopefully no long term implications for Wynne.
1 minute ago, Ullman said:
He's a machine but with a bit of pace and flair too. Looks like one of the best signings anybody has made this season.
Sounded like Saveillio had a good game mate?
37 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
And for a local kid to Leigh, there is no chance to play for his town teams Cat 1 academy we can't have one, not even with 400K put to one side and assigned for it, now please tell me why that should be, is it to protect our near neighbours choice from an ever decreasing pool of available talent, has I said before it stinks.
Why not use some of that money to start something, rather than nothing, and re-apply in 2024?
in The General Rugby League Forum
Got to say, Agar comes across very clear and well in that interview despite having to repeat himself over and again to the journalists questions. Honest admittal that his ways just haven’t got through. Interesting that he said he recognised this at the beginning of the season.
I think GH should have cleared the decks though. Richard will be physically and mentally down for some time. I can see physical signs in him that are mental issues. He knows he has problems. I don’t believe staying on will do Leeds any good but I take my hat off to him for that interview.