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Is there/who is the guest speaker this year?
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On 08/11/2023 at 17:57, Dave T said:
This reads like an awful line to me:
In 2024 the 13 England-based Championship clubs will join eight League One clubs (Cornwall having graciously opted not to take part) in seven groups of three.
Cornwall’s statement on their website…
Following yesterday’s announcement regarding the Betfred Championship and League 1 structure for 2024, and the confirmation of a game-wide structural review ahead of 2025, the club will provide more context as to why Cornwall RLFC will take no part in the revamped AB Sundecks 1895 Cup competition next season.
During recent discussions among League 1 clubs about the proposed competition structure for 2024, Cornwall RLFC was asked by the collective if it would consider sitting out of the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup competition, for 2024 only, to ease the logistical burden for other League 1 clubs. The club felt that this decision would allow for a swifter resolution to be reached for the 2024 season structure and, after careful and considered deliberation, Cornwall RLFC has graciously agreed to the collectives request to not participate in the AB Sundecks 1895 Cup in 2024.
Commenting on this decision, Cornwall RLFC’s chief executive officer Rob Butland, said: “Cornwall RLFC is a club which has the expansion and development of rugby league at its core, and whilst our preference would have been to take part in the 1895 Cup in 2024, after discussions with our fellow clubs it was ultimately decided that with the interest of the wider game at heart we would agree to the request.
“We look forward to seeing everyone on the pitch in both the Betfred Challenge Cup and Betfred League 1 season next year.”
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2 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:
Is the RFL really that low on money that it can't pay for a few players to travel business class on a couple of flights to and from Australia? I know they're expensive for the average person, but these are top sports people playing for England (and it's not as if we play that often). How many players was it anyway? 5?
I'm curious now how the Tongan's got here. Did we put them in some big crates and transport them as cargo?
Unfortunately, and it gives me no please at all in admitting it, but YES the RFL & the game over here really is that skint
A relative recently had to do a return flight to Australia for work, economy flight was around about £1800 - their boss went on exactly the same flight, but went business class and the cost was in excess of £9500. 3 England players upgrades would be more than a league 1 team gets in central funding!
Its sad, worrying and disappointing just how poor a state financially the RFL & the game is over here
I say this partially in jest
, but maybe if more of ‘us fans’ put our hands in our pocket and sold out the 3 games, rather than just taking the easy option of blaming the RFL (yes i know & agree the RFL has plenty of faults - I don’t agree with many of their decisions or strategies recently) & any other excuse not to go to the games. If all 3 had sold out the RFL would have had the funds to pay for the upgrades
£15-£25 for a international game is a bargain in my opinion - especially when so many fans cry out that the lack of international games is holding the games development and growth back.
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4 hours ago, TrueBull said:
IMG get paid as a % of all upgraded and new commercial income and broadcasting contracts they bring in. So the criteria will be based partly (or wholly) on making that happen - through the product on the field but more importantly how to sell it to audiences. When it came out , I must admit I thought it was designed for big city clubs. And the last week hasn’t changed my mind
Designed for big city clubs? IMG insists Londons a massive target for growth, RFL have all the demographic of cross london ticket sales about challenge cup & London internationals, yet they use the catchment area of ‘Merton’ in the catchment score calculation. London’s other scores are fair reflection, but way catchment has been used for them is laughable.
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On 25/10/2023 at 11:28, RP London said:
…The simple fact is that London have had a good season and got into Super League but off the field they are still a mess (as everyone points out and has done for years). They now have a document telling them where to improve. Read the document and you can see that there can be some quite big jumps made with investment in the right places, investment that can actually reap rewards that can then make you a much stronger club for when Super League comes a long (and not one that could bankrupt itself very easily)…
Agree with everything that you have said. The only issue I have with London’s score is the ‘catchment area’ issue - IMG bang on about London being a massive target area for growth, the RFL have all the ticket sale data from Challenge cup/London internationals to identify roughy the demographics where London based RL fans are, yet they use the catchment area of ‘Merton’ in the score calculation
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1 hour ago, Hopie said:
Anything less than a sellout is a poor crowd for these games, tickets are cheap and the product on the field is a good one.
Fans moan there is no international RL calendar, then when there is a game it has vast numbers of unsold tickets
Was a great game today & although it ‘looked physically at the game & on TV’ a reasonable attendance - in reality 25%+ of the ground was unsold!
I fully appreciate there is a major cost of living crisis going on that may mean attending the game is not a priority or even a possibility for many people, but the tickets were very reasonable priced for a international sporting event.
On forums it’s easy to blame the RFL/marketing or a myriad of other reasons out of our control for poor attendances - but do we need to be a bit more honest and admit as a sport the fans ourselves are often our own worst enemies?
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Are tickets for sale on the gate or available online on the day mobile tickets - or do you have to print at home?
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Are tickets for sale on the gate or available online on the day mobile tickets?
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https://x.com/chris_driven/status/1713611123860087216?s=46&t=pSDHU7zh-48blzenyK4ibw
t will probably go under the radar but when Rhys Lovegrove got sacked From Keighley earlier this season, he went to London who were 2nd bottom at the time. Yesterday they got promoted to SL.
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In 3 consecutive seasons Jarred Bassett has gone from amateur Southern Conference with Wests Warriors. League 1 with London Skolars and gained promotion to Super League with London Broncos.
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On 09/10/2023 at 05:10, Colin James said:
London had 20 years in SL and we have nothing to show for it. What's potentially going to be different this time? I'd love a strong London team but it's hard to see how they could have come away with less after that level of investment and opportunity. I suppose the argument is that the threat of relegation is the reason they can't get 1000 home fans through the gate or settle in one location.
London may have & still been run like a basket case, their move to part time may have been a significant contributing factor in Skolars demise, but to say achieved nothing may be rather harsh…
(information below copied from another site)
‘Random bit of trivia - Wigan's win last night continues a run now extending to 6 years of having a London junior league product winning the Super League grand final
2023 Pearce-Paul
2019-2022 LMS x4
2018 Sarginson & ClubbIn 2017 Mike McMeeken was on the losing side which broke the winning run. He was also on the losing side in 2021 and 2023.
Pearce-Paul & McMeeken last night also continue a run of 10 consecutive Grand Finals that have had at least one London junior league product playing:
2016 Sarginson (Winning team)
2015 Clubb (Losing team)
2014 LMS (Winning team), Sarginson & Clubb (Losing team)The last GF not to feature a a player who started in the London junior league was 2013’
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10 hours ago, del capo said:
…Either way travel / hotel costs must be met centrally and in full for each club…
14 hours ago, Dovster said:…I assume the funding is nowhere near enough to actually pay for the running of a club at this level…
If the travel/hotel costs were met centrally, I believe there could have been a good chance that Skolars & Newcastle might still have been able to stay financially viable in league 1. (For Skolars their travel expenses was a significantly bigger cost than player wages.)
Last year, league 1 central funding was ~£15,000 (it’s rumoured to be about £3000 less this year) It didn’t even cover Skolars 3 longest away trip travel/hotel costs last year!
I genuinely wonder how many league one teams are going to be able to survive on under £15,000 central funding. Do any league 1 teams actually turn a profit?
The last 8 years i have really enjoyed watching league 1 games - it was a great competition. Even with Skolars regularly losing I got the chance to watch some fantastic games, see good teams/players & meet some great & dedicated away fans. I fully understand money has to be cut somewhere due to the reduced TV deal, but cutting the largest % from the bottom end that in reality actually needs the most help & support is devastating.
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12 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:
My 18 year old started uni this week at Southampton and messaged me last night to say he had joined the fencing (His No 1 sport and Basketball clubs at the uni) He was asked to join the rugby union and turned it down saying he would only play league and was called a poofter, quote slow unskilled rubbish that no-one watches.
It makes my blood boil what is it with these brainwashed loons and what has happened to the once thriving uni rugby league scene.
Are there many universities down south playing RL these days.
I was one of the sponsors of the varsity match for years (In fact even paid the production costs for SKY to cover it the first year in 2003) that seems to have died a death as well.
Paul
Your son can still play league in the regional trial games as part of the England university squad selection process….
Basin on the universities location students train as squads from Midlands, South West, South East, North East, North West, Yorkshire and play a couple of games against each other. Best students are then selected for the North v South game & from that initial England university squad is created. The England university squad play against GB police, Uk armed forces, GB teachers, Prison service & squad is again cut down to form the final group of players who play in the university 4 nations against Wales, Scotland & Ireland,
The England squad is pretty good standard with a few league 1 players and NCL players.Gsmes against the police and army are usually pretty close, but England usually comfortable winners against the other teams & countries.
Players do not need to be playing league at their university (as majority of universities do not have a rugby league team.)
The player has to resister to take part in the regional process - that is normally advertised pretty soon in 1st term. Best way to get details is to look on twitter @EnglandUnisRL or @UniversityRL the RFL do put some stuff on the website about it.
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25 minutes ago, The Future is League said:
While on thread. What's the latest with the supposed takeover of the Skolars?
Definitely off… heard nothing officially from Skolars as yet, but the below statement was doing the rounds on the web last week:-
‘AUSSIE company Arc Sports has withdrawn its offer to take over London Skolars. A statement issued to rugbyleaguehub.com Long Reads says: "The offer was adjusted on the back of the IMG formula being formally released. Prior to this, an offer was made on an assumption of what the criteria may look like and how the clubs would be ranked within the RFL structure. Once the criteria was officially released, London Skolars ranked last in nearly all areas relating to the scoring matrix and was ranked 36th out of 36 FL clubs by IMG." It's important to note here that IMG have not formally ranked the clubs yet and that any such prognostications are still guesswork - but guesswork that has been done by many within the sport. Arc continues: "When confronted with these numbers it was purely a prudent business decision to adjust the original offer. The amount of capital needed to raise the profile and success of the club far outweighed the original asking price. We felt the our new offer was sufficient plus we said they could keep their sundries which they offered as part of the original deal. These were valued at £25,000 by them, meaning they would only have had a loss of around one third of the original asking price. London Skolars advised us that they believed they could still get more for their license so we have politely declined and said we will not stand in their way. Arc Sports Global have formally withdrawn the offer altogether and wish the London Skolars nothing but the best of luck for their future endeavours."’
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1 hour ago, Dave T said:
We need to arrest the decline.
KR must have brought nearly 20k, Rovers shirts everywhere.
Have been to approximately the last 15 or so CC finals - today it was very very noticeable lack of visibility of other SL teams shirts on general display in & around the ground compared to previous finals - is it cost of transport that’s putting them off in current cost of living crisis, or something else? (Though actual ticket prices were very reasonable for a top tier event.)
All the people at Wembley & in surrounding area seemed to having a great day out & really enjoyed themselves.
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13 hours ago, Jparrish said:
Queensland cup and NSW cup would be level 2 in a "pyramid"
I guess championship would be the direct translation but different in the way they are all feeder teams for their affiliated NRL club rather than stand alone teams that can earn promotion
13 hours ago, Pulga said:It's the 2nd level down. Championship level.
It's a bit different because there really isn't the same fan base. They're all viewed as feeder clubs to the NRL rather than their own stand-alone entity.
My club is hosting a QCup game today. This week is country round so they take games out to smaller communities.
https://fb.watch/lOX9pEy0-Y/?mibextid=RUbZ1f
We have the Western Clydesdales who are our closest QCup team playing the Townsville Mendi Blackhawks. The Blackhawks have had to make a 1500km trip.
If 2nd tier & championship equivalent level, any idea of the teams standards - how would they get on against the top half of our championship?
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Not knowing anything about RL in Aus apart from NRL, what level/tier is the queensland cup in their ‘pyramid’ & what would it be equivalent to over here?
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Skolars 16-48 Dewsbury (HT 0-36)
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I don’t think London Skolars 2023 kit has been on here yet. I quite like the white away kit, but find the same styling on the home pretty bland and uninspiring. (They have also changed supplier to from 1895 sports who i thought produced good quality to APX performance & the quality of shirt from my ‘limited 1st inspection/knowledge’ does not appear to be equal.)
Although it makes the shirt look clean & tidy, it is a bit of a worry to see a lack of their normal mix of sponsors on the shirts. (Past shirts have included various mix of: Nasdaq, World Gold Council, Purpose Investments, The Royal Mint, EDI group, LINK group, GINSGLOBAL index funds etc…) so financially they must have taken a hit this year.
I know on the pitch they continue to struggle, but considering they do work in the local schools, run youth teams & a reserve team and most of their current squad is London grown they are returning pretty good value for money on the paltry £15,000 central funding they get.
No idea why the RFL checking process of the prospective new owners is taking so long - it’s been dragging on for a couple of months now & Skolars could really do with sone investment asap.
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1 hour ago, Jughead said:
All a bit non-descript and dull, those.
They’ve not kept the Wimbledon colours even as away colours, either.
Very uninspiring & bland - just complete lack of effort! Very similar to some training shirts they used a few years ago which were fine for training, but nowhere near good enough for main shirts. Hopefully the finished material shirt looks better than the computer draft. I liked last years away Wimbledon shirt.
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1 hour ago, Just Browny said:
Any thoughts on a decent pub to watch the other semi on the Friday night? I'm staying near Archway so talking about the same sort of area as the Emirates.
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from bucs RL rules…
RUL 10.6 Player matching The following applies to Tier 2 and below league matches and Conference Cup knockout competition matches only:
RUL 10.6.1 If a team informs their opposition via email, at least 24 hours in advance of the advertised kick-off time, that they will be fielding less than 13 players (but at least a minimum of nine in accordance with RUL 10.2) then their opposition shall be obliged to only field the same number of starting players, however they may still bring replacements as per RUL 10.3.2. The RFL Competitions Officer (competitions@rfl.uk.com) and BUCS (discipline@bucs.org.uk) should also be copied in to any such communications. Both teams must also inform the referee before the start of the match of the player matching arrangements.
RUL 10.6.2 Where at least 24 hours notice in advance of the advertised kick-off time is not given, if a team is fielding less than 13 players (but at least a minimum of nine in accordance with RUL 10.2), then their opposition is not obliged to only field the same number of starting players, but they may still agree to do so. In this circumstance, the opposition team may name those players who will no longer be starting as additional replacements to the maximum stated in RUL 10.3.2. Both teams must also inform the referee before the start of the match of the player matching arrangements.
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Just now, Angelic Upstart said:
Hull KR alternative kit, celebrating 50 years since they beat Queensalnd 8-6.
Different & very nice alternate kit
Shame they didn’t use a white band & red sponsor logo/lettering on the home kit - would have made it look less Arsenal
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Save London Skolars Gofundme Page Please help
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Some Skolars players went to other league 1 teams including Cornwall & North Wales Crusaders, one got signed in Australia playing Q cup for Townsville Blackhawks. A number went to play for other London amateur teams like West Warriors.
Only a couple appear to have stayed with Skolars in their amateur team which looks like it is made up of very young players.