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10 hours ago, Damien said:
Great news:
We are pleased to confirm that following detailed discussions with the Environment Agency and resulting technical amendments to the Wheldon Road stadium upgrade proposals, the Environment Agency has today lifted their holding objection.
This means that there are no outstanding objections from statutory consultees for either of the Axiom and Wheldon Road planning applications, including on highways, flood risk and drainage. We are hopeful that both planning applications will be heard by Wakefield Council’s planning committee soon.
Why is it great news? They have no money to do it, just the 2 million the council gave them.
I could get planning permission to turn my house into a mansion, problem is I can only afford a shed.
People live in a fantasy world in RL they really do.
The only reason Trinity got there money was through a fortunate set of events. Had it not been a development in Rotherham requiring the councils blessing at NM, we’d still be waiting to this day for YC to cough up. Cas need just that, it will come, but when? That’s the real issue.
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12 hours ago, RigbyLuger said:
Unpopular opinion, but I think it does the sport more harm than good, playing up to every stereotype people think about RL.
That’s because people like you have in inbuilt snobbish inferiority complex. Most of us celebrate being northern, quirks and all. We don’t need to apologise to anyone.
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7 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:
Doesn’t necessarily have to be the same units, but just figured it was a better use of the limited depth of space to pile on top of each other rather than trying to get any sort of terracing built there. Then gives free scope for something ‘proper’ behind the sticks, then.
I’m afraid you’re another one under a miscomprehension. The space on the west side of the ground is more than capable of taking a decent sized stand. I accept that it does look narrow but actually it isn’t, I think because it’s so messy at present it looks worse than it is. Access is poor but as it’s not where the main stand is anymore it doesn’t really matter. The fact that the west terrace used to contain the old main stand tells you it’s bigger than you think.
i get what you are thinking but it’s actually height that may be the issue, as it may deprive the houses behind of light. That’s what Ellis means when he says “creative’.
However you are right about the south end of the ground. There is a huge amount of space there and it has its own independent road access. It really could be developed into something special, but it’s last on the list as the boxes are paid for and are a good revenue maker.
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5 hours ago, The Future is League said:
Is 24 years old and has only played 13 games in the NRL, and he being offered up as a potential Super League player.
If he had any sort of ability he would have played more than 13 NRL games by 24 years old.
Championship player at best in my book.
Ridiculous statement.
I give you Dave Fifita and countless other fringe NRL suckers stories. Did you start watching RL last week,
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13 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:
Personally I’d think it’s worth exploring shifting the Benidorm flats on to the West side, using the space to spread out across the length rather than being necessarily quite so high as they are currently. Wouldn’t need to take up anywhere near as much space as a stand at that side and could give scope for an improved TV gantry, TV studio and of course extra corporate space.
That would then leave the southerly end to build a decent sized covered terrace or seats which would arguably be a bigger capacity than the current Western Terrace.
You’d still need to relay the terracing. I get your logic but those’d boxes are 25 years old. I doubt they would survive the move and even if they did they are still a temporary structure.
Its something the old BOD would have looked at but I think Ellis’s has bigger plans.
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The hyperbole used by LE these days is disappointing but typical of modern media
There is nothing bold about what he’s saying, he’s just echoing the current consensus. He’d be daft not to.
What matters is if he’s right - I’ll see you come September time on that one.
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8 hours ago, OMEGA said:
It’s definitely a team that’s been assembled with an eye on the future
Powell will want to win things this year as well, indeed we must do that to ensure we reach Superleague again.I think we’ve been pretty focused and have targeted our recruits exceptionally well. Lots of size, athleticism, desire and toughness in the pack, particularly the front row and Loose Forward options. There’s also a number of young players who are of a very high standard right now but who are also exciting prospects whose potential is massive. By assembling this group now Darryl Powell has a year to mould them into a slick unit and to help develop those players so they are Superleague standard when they need to be. I also get a sense of togetherness from this group, they seem to have a real understanding of what the mission is and can maybe sense they’re part of something potentially historic.
The squad isn’t really carrying anyone either, the younger recruits aren’t just there as a token nod toward development, they’re genuinely there on merit, they are some of the brightest young prospects in the game not just the Championship and they’ve arrived at Wakefield Trinity at the perfect time when all the elements they require are being brought into place by the new ownership. By that I’m talking about Ambitious ownership, investment, stability, training facilities, Coaching personnel, professional chefs, top quality player analysts, experienced Welfare team, a strong squad, a positive and enthusiastic fan base who are right behind what’s happening. If these young players put the work in they will make it to the top.
Then there’s a nucleus of older players who’ve been there and done that, they’ve travelled the roads, climbed the hills and seen the pitfalls, they will bring the leadership on and off the field. Pitts, Ashurst, Gale, Hood and maybe one or two others will probable retire or accept being used sparingly next season (2025) which will leave the club with room and finances to recruit strongly again and if that’s for Superleague we will have the chance to add a lot of top quality players to a young, somewhat experienced squad, making Wakefield Trinity a serious competitor for anyone.
These are long awaited exciting times for Trinity fans
Glad you said Hood. He gets a bit of stick from some fans, but if you watch us over the past two season, on the few occasions we’ve been decent, he’s been in the team.
probably not going back to SL but I reckon he will give us a good season this year.
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4 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:
How much space is behind the West Terrace to build a stand? Something like the East Stand in terms of seats etc would be great.
Its narrow but not as narrow as people tend to think. You could fit a slightly narrower East stand minus all the stuff at the back. In truth what goes there is more down to the town planners than the club. Depend how accommodating they are.
However Ellis says he wants to be more creative than that - but as yet nobody knows his vision.
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11 hours ago, dboy said:
Do you really think that???
It's already better than London's SL squad!
He just doesn’t think full stop.
iMHO it’s the bones of a SL squad, especially in the pack including the hookers. The amount of players just on the cusp of hitting there premium years is very high.
I’d say it’s 2-3 players off from SL survival and 5-6 off being top six contenders.
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13 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:
this team would be certain relegation fodder in SL - how many games are they gonna get out of Gale and Jerry? and more importantly how many quality performances? my guess is not many - stand and facilities are looking great - but as the Monks sang "nice legs - shame about the face"
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9 hours ago, Morris Wanchuk said:
Could be wrong here but I thought the low terracing around the ground was historic due to a track which used to be in place, much before my time! I used to watch from the terracing under the old west stand as a kid & don’t remember it being any better.
Yeah it was a cycle track that’s true enough but it was relayed after the stand was pulled down. At that point you’d have thought the council would have raised it. The bit that’s under cover was built later by the fans I think and is the right height from memory. There is also no drainage. All it needed was a bit more concrete, so to me it was a lost opportunity. Meaning now we have to completely rebuild where we could have possibly just extended. Oh well..
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On 19/01/2024 at 12:59, Damien said:
Even just a modern, covered standing terrace the full length with more ammenities would be a huge improvement and shouldn't cost the earth.
Sad thing is that there is nothing wrong with the terracing, it was only put in mid 1980’s . However the council in its infinite wisdom laid the first three steps beneath pitch level rendering it almost useless. Had they laid it correctly it wouldn’t need much work at all. Oh the mistakes of the past.
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13 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:
what an amazingly disrespectful post towards championship fans WOW
From one of the most derogatory posters in the forum, that is hysterical - silly person.
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On 15/01/2024 at 22:11, Morris Wanchuk said:
Kershaw is a good honest player who gives everything & wears his heart on his sleeve but don’t build him up too much, plenty of defensive frailties in his game. For the record I’d have loved to have kept him at Wakey, don’t know went on with that one.
Can’t agree, his defence is fine imo.
His problem is that he doesn’t fit the modern game all that well.
He’s not got the finesse or athletics of a Tom Johnstone. Nor does he have quite the physical presence of a Ryan Hall, though he sure tries. He doesn’t fit into either of those two styles.
However his biggest weakness is that he’s not a natural try scorer. He scores a fair few but he doesn’t conjure many and is prone to being slightly off the pace and bombing some real sitters.
That said he’s still SL squad player level, great cover for most clubs but unlikely to ever be a first choice imho.
We didn’t keep him because he didn’t want to be in a championship team I’m told. Fair enough but if he ends up at London he’s kind of forced that to happen anyway. Be especially brutal for him if we replace London.
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3 hours ago, Agbrigg said:
The club have left the end section of the main stand soley for away supporters and a large part of the adjacent section has also been blocked out, i suspect this may be used too. Could be a few hundred seats available and this should cater for the vast majority of away support to BV this season.
I think they are on a first come first serve basis, rather than specifically for away fans, but I get your point.
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On 15/01/2024 at 20:31, OMEGA said:
Rebuilding the West Terrace will be the making of a ground into a stadium if you get my drift.
Two genuine modern stands will transform what was a dilapidated ground and will also create an impetus to develop the other two sides, especially if we continue to grow the fan base.
Yep it’s a must for SL. I’m not discounting the needs of Championship fans, but generally the number of away fans aren’t there. They also tend to be diehards who would follow their team anywhere. They can be catered for as BV is now.
To attract the full quota of bandwagon away fans and all their lovely money would require facilities we don’t currently have.
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22 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:
I'm almost as excited to see what's planned for the WT as I am for this upcoming season. As you say it will make a massive difference to the ground.
The only fly in the ointment is the possibility we don’t get promoted. Can’t see any point in redeveloping further for second tier RL. It will just be a general spruce up sadly. I could be wrong, but businessmen want some kind of return, and an almost always empty west stand wouldn’t give one.
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On 12/01/2024 at 12:21, Trojan Horse said:
Further good news story and extra investment from the owner into enhancing player facilities to a professional level.
5 weeks refurbishment to create a new players lounge area to relax, entertain and eat/spend time. No doubt this will have come at considerable cost.
The new owner is serious about transforming the club. Not just customer facing but like this behind the scenes.
Trinity will hopefully come back a much more professional outfit.
Other changes have been made with a professional Chef recruited and cooking all player meals too! with the addition of the heavy investment in quality back room staff of SL quality it’s clear there’s a real plan to succeed.
The new stand now signed off and talk is the new trinity owner is improving the quality of the changing rooms and even considering adding plunge pools for players.
I can imagine coming to Trinity as a player now looks a completely different experience.
See the new players lounge here:
To be fair it won’t have cost him much to create the player area, even though it does look good. His company has a team of fitters, plumbers and electricians, so it’s likely he’s using them in their quiet periods. He will also be owed no end of favours, so it won’t take a huge chunk from the budget.
i think they are also refurbishing the other levels, most notably the two levels of vices. After that expect the old clubhouse to receive a similar makeover and a possible repurposing.
The first real expenditure will be the West Terrace, that won’t come cheap.
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On 12/01/2024 at 12:35, Damien said:
I don't particularly see SL clubs signing a large number of cheap NSW and Queensland Cup players on the back of visa changes because if they wish to be competitive they should be setting their targets on a better calibre of player. Obviously there will be the odd exception, as there always has been, but I don't see those numbers increasing.
That's quite different than visa changes potentially meaning lower league clubs take the easy route of signing cheap overseas players who aren't good enough for SL or the NRL instead of developing their own.
I’d have thought it was obvious.
Most no SL clubs can’t afford to run academies and Reserves. Especially since central funding was cut to virtually nothing!
Those that do get the scraps player wise, with Wigan and Leeds in particular grabbing nearly all the talent, and then hoarding it.
Its SL clubs who get all the money so surely it’s their job to create most of the games young players. Players who they should be playing more often or moving them on to a second chance club if they are not intending to keep them.
Then the Championship clubs can pick up these young players and give them a platform. Many will then blossom and possibly re-enter the SL at some point.
It used to happen all the time and produced a very useful second wave of players, some even went onto top honours.
In fairness to SL clubs, it is often the case that Championship clubs simply can’t offer the wages these youngsters want and many are simply lost to the game. When Aldi pay £15 ph it’s hard to keep players interested in what is hardly a glamorous level of RL.
We need to find a better gateway for players to drop down. That leadership needs to come from SL as they have the bulk of the games resources.
Feeder clubs and a stand alone second tier competition with no PR is probably the answer. Allowing players to retain their links with their parent clubs. But I doubt the tribes nature of our game will buy that.
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3 hours ago, Damien said:
It can be a slippery slope and I dont see how its good for the game if clubs in the lower leagues begin to do this in any great number. I would certainly rather clubs be looking to develop young English players
I’d be pointing the finger at SL clubs on that one!
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That’s a signing putting a marker down.
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4 hours ago, Bulls2487 said:
On paper it looks like a good signing but it depends how often he takes to the field. Hasn't completed a full season for the last 5 years.
We had a similar issue when we signed Danny Brough
So did we before he came to you, should have been a warning.
We had a Kiwi last year, I still can't bring myself to say his name.
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19 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:
Fax signing announcement at 6pm tonight. Could it be the long rumoured homecoming.....
Like all these kinds of signings, could be inspired, could be a disaster. Usually a disaster, but you never know, best of luck.
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16 hours ago, Click said:
Can you guys take the personal stuff to the DMs before you get this thread locked
Why? It's all broadly on the same subject.
Trinity owner has big plans
in The General Rugby League Forum
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I see the funny side, and it was unfortunate.
But let’s not overlook the Mr Ellis biggest investment was beating the current SL champions quite comfortably before it ended.
Yeah it was a friendly, yes both teams were not full strength but both were pretty close.
However Trinity looked very comfortable and well drilled and more than a match for Wigan on the night.
Floodlights can be fixed for few hundred quid, teams can’t. So I’ll take the floodlight failure anyway over a team failure.