Chrispmartha
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10 minutes ago, Spidey said:
I meant specifically the seats in the south, there never used to be seats there
But the seats sell well in the South Stand, they aren’t the issue.
Put it this way, let’s say everything has clicked and Leeds are playing great RL, competing at the top and matching teams like Saints, do you really think fans will be put off attending because of the layout of the stadium?
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1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:
I’d suggest the popularity is very much due to the terracing and the atmosphere that comes with it.
The Southstand is the most popular stand though, so the layout is not the issue.
Rearrange the stadium all you want, if the product on the field is as poor as it is at the moment the crowds won’t improve.
shifting fans from the southstand to the Northstand just do people watching on TV think the grounds full is just rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic.
The stadium is not the issue.
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1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:
I don’t think the capacity would be vastly different with a larger lower tier of terracing only rather than the current two tiers.
The magic C word probably nails it here though.
But the southstand is the first stand to sell as its popular, the southstand configuration is not the issue far from it, they layout of the stadium isn’t an issue, sort the playing side out is the main issue
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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:
I had a bit of a rant last night with my dad on a late walk to tesco after two poor offerings from both my teams. Emotion aside, it was useful to some extent.
In regards Headingley, they have built a corporate suite and stuck a rugby ground next to it. And they can't even sell out that stand anymore which looks rubbish. (From a slightly OCD irritance the tunnel is off centre too).
The South Stand has been neutered somewhat, by introducing seating and the press area there.
All this done with seemingly zero consultation with fans, even season ticket holders.
The pitch is worse than the performances, just.
The kits are ###### quality. And we get 5 a season that are full price for 4 weeks then discounted.
It seems like Leeds do the high end corporate stuff really well, but the stuff for the normal supporter is cheap as possible and they have taken their eye off the ball completely.
I agree with a lot of that but as I keep saying I personally don’t think the stadium layout is the issue, Headingley is a fabulous stadium to watch RL, no stadium however good is a great place to watch what Leeds are serving up on the pitch.
I couldn’t agree with you anymore on the quality of kit and merchandise, it is utterly dreadful a club the size of Leeds should be aiming much higher than cheap tat being released every month and weekly knock down sales.
The stadium is the only thing they have done well with over the last 5 years
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1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:
It does seem to raise the question as to why they put a seating area in the South Stand when there generally seemed to be ample spare seats in the North and East Stands.
Because it meant the capacity was larger than if it was all standing because its two tiered, the South Stand is generally almost full, the stadium layout really is not the issue, if the north stand was full but the southstand was half empty the crowds would still be low, shuffling fans around to pacify tv watchers is not a solution to falling crowds.
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1 minute ago, Dave T said:
Yes, the point is not to shuffle cameras or move fans around, it is to sell those seats with the fans that have stopped going to Headingley. There are a few k missing from recent years.
Agreed and its no coincidence that those few K are missing when the stuff served up on the pitch is sub par.
Sort the on field stuff out and we will see crowds return, going to watch the tripe served up last night is not an enjoyable way to send an evening.
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4 minutes ago, Dave T said:
I suppose they are seen as different offerings. The South Stand may be the rowdier cheaper seats and the North the premium offering. I think its fine if they are positioned as different levels (I have no idea if they are), but whichever way it is, they have many, many empty seats facing the cameras. A problem not exclusive to Leeds, but one that is new at Leeds that they have created.
The club can't run the risk of not selling as many tickets just to satisfy crowd spotters on TV, the South Stand is the go to stand at Leeds and there wasn't really an option to put the tv gantry on the other side due to it being a shared stand between corporate, the rugby and Cricket.
Moving the camera position won't solve the issue of falling attendances, the plan should be to fill that stand not hide it away
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5 minutes ago, Spidey said:
they should be selling those seats before considering opening the seats in south stand surely
The Southstand is the most popular stand, it would be commercial madness to close that before selling out the North Stand.
As I said above its not the stadium that's the issue.
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33 minutes ago, Scubby said:
It feels like the stand was build as a corporate area first and stand second. Also, as someone else said, the move ticket holders to the South Stand during construction and many of them probably never returned.
It also could have more character and feel more like Leeds Rhinos. It feels like someone else's stand a little.
The stadium isn't the issue, what they have done to modernise an old stadium is fantastic IMO.
The issue is the fair being served up on the field, ever since the stadium has been renovated the team and performances have fallen well short of what had gone the previous 15+years.
If Leeds can get back to being anything like they should be there will be a difference in both atmosphere and attendances.
Also Thursday nights are terrible and we seem to have had non stop Thursday night games in crappy weather, unfortunately the first Friday night home game will be against Saints and if they don't change their attitude quickly it will be an utter embarrassment.
Ive said this on the Leeds forum but as a usually optimistic Rhinos fan Im really despondent at the moment
The performances on the field
The state of the pitch
The sub par Kit and apparel supplier pedalling cheap tat on sale every week
The Thursday nights in terrible weather (it was nice last night to be fair)
All are making life as Leeds supporter fairly miserable at the moment, a club the size of Leeds with the facilities they have should be doing better in every respect.
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37 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
I don't know tbh. Being kind to Leeds I'd assume there would be a base figure and then a % above that dependent on sales maybe - although even Man United don't get that % above with Adidas so who knows
Whilst Leeds have handed away a lot of control, they have also handed away a lot of risk too. The concern is that the brand is cheapened and the culture becomes "wait for a sale" in the meantime. Does anybody pay £50.00 for these shirts anymore?
Id gladly pay for a player’s edition shirt, if they don’t end up selling them as they usually do it wol be the first time in over 20 years I haven’t bought a shirt
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56 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:
I think it would look very nice with a bit less pink and a bit more blue/black. I have every one of the 3 previous pink kits and they were much better balanced.
The reasoning just sounds ridiculous and smacks of where the club is commercially at the moment when looking at "normal" fans. Stack it high and they'll lap it up.
Ironically, this is still better than the grey away shirt we've got!!!
And ironically we haven’t actually worn the away shirt yet, it would also have clashed with Wakefields home shirt
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16 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:
Truly awful effort and a quite appalling statement attached to it on Rhinos website.
https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2022/03/03/rhinos-launch-distinctive-new-look-third-kit/
Essentially reads 'look we made a bit of balls up by having a fair bit of blue in our away kit and we're here to sell shirts so this was win win.'
Having had a look through all other SL teams kits i'm absolutely baffled which 'kit clash', on TV or otherwise, would've ever caused a problem for the Rhinos?? Warrington away would probably have been the closest, but even then that is a stretch.
Oxen have been known to just throw as much training/leisure out as they can - that now seemingly applies to kits. 4th Kit in 4 months with a 5th for Magic no doubt getting drawn up on a fag packet as we speak.
Yep, really weird one, but then if anyones read my thoughts on Oxen on here they’d know I think they’re dire and I wish we had have gone with a much better supplier.
So to go along with the Pink kit that isn’t needed, we’ve got a whole new range of training gear that’s not needed, which I’m sure will be on sale within a week or so.
Really wish the club had gone with someone like Hummel both their kits snd training gear look a class or 5 above Oxen’s rubbish.
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18 minutes ago, Dave T said:
You said it has never got great attendances. It has. It rarely drops below 13k and has had over 15k. They are outstanding attendances and we would do anything for that kind of crowd now.
And the leeds public would probably do anything to have a team as successful and as good as when we we’re getting those attendances
the great attendance point was in context of attendances at the time.
Leeds have a lot of work to do on and off the field to get back to those types of attendance figures.
One thing that won’t help is we don’t have a home fixture on our preferred Friday night until round 7, if we can pick up the performances on the field I would hope that game against Saints would get a decent crowd
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12 hours ago, Dave T said:
This isn't true, they usually get over 13k, and have only dropped below 13.2k a very small number of times.
The 2014 game you refer to was an all-pay playoff game.
The next lowest was over 10k on a Wednesday night.
All according to rugby league project
There’s nothing that i wrote that isn’t true.
Leeds V Cats has always been one of the lowest attended games at Headingley.
The attendance this week wasn’t great and should be better, it was still the highest of the week, don’t get me wrong our attendance figures have dropped, weve had a perfect storm of factors, stadium rebuild, covid, and poor performances.
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1 hour ago, Eddie said:
Leeds and Wigan getting numbers like that five years ago would have been unthinkable, but these days all in all that’s a decent round of attendances.
Leeds v catalans at home has never got great attendances, eg 2014 it was below 8,000 i think
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6 minutes ago, Dave T said:
When looking at the Wigan ticket page, one of the first things you see about tonight's game is an apology from the club as not all members have received their season ticket yet.
When coupled with the weird kit launch you do have to ask what they are doing in the off season.
That’s really poor from them
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Just now, Cw25 said:
Because of the weather I bet the crowd at Wigan is below 10 thousand. Understandable though.
Unfortunately I think you’re correct, even without the weather situation I’ve heard Wigan have been disappointed with ticket sales
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12 minutes ago, Dave T said:
Against a backdrop of falling crowds, sometimes substantial, look at the likes of Wigan and Leeds, Wire's crowds have held up very well.
To be fair Leeds’ falling crowds are being a bit over stated IMO take covid out of it and the couple of years when the stadium was being redeveloped they’ve consistently hovered around 14-15k average for a decade and I expect is to get that this year
good article here, Wigans decline is worrying
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26 minutes ago, Eddie said:
At the moment yes, but the downward trajectory hasn’t stopped yet so hopefully they’ll be able to do the before attendances drop below Saints or Wire’s. I would absolutely love to see Wigan and Leeds averaging 15-16k each again, would be great for the game.
Leeds were averaging 14-15k steadily but the stadium redevelopment in 2018 meant a drop to 12,500, I think well be back up to 14k-15k again this season Theres not really been a downward trajectory as such because you have to take into account the redevelopment
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Regarding the Leeds attendance, I was disappointed with it (although the atmosphere was very good).
We do have to accept the downside of terrestrial tv coverage could mean a small drop in the usual attendance for that game.
I can well imagine a fair few people deciding not to bother going because of the time, weather and the fact its live on channel 4.
It does feel and look like Leeds are trying more this season to get crowds back, we’ve had the perfect storm of, stadium rebuild, ###### performances and covid over the last 5 years!
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Has the presenting line up actually been officially announced?
Adam Hills on Sunday Brunch mentioned it but said something like, I think Channel 4 are now covering Super League, didn’t sound like he was presenting it?
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40 minutes ago, M j M said:
Now the amber colour is deceptive and I think means something like 50% or more of a section are sold but still it's not looking too bad 9 days out.
I think we might get 17-18k?
should be a great atmosphere
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Think getting Sinfield on is great, he's probably the highest profile RL personality we've had in a long time
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14 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:
Adam Hills is on Sunday Brunch this week. I wonder if he's there to push the coverage as the new anchor?
Think Tim Lovejoy is a fan of RL aswell so it might get some decent coverage on the show
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Attendances (Multiple Merged Threads)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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It’s irrelevant though imo. The atmosphere is fine from the few games since the stadium has been rebuilt that we have actually played well the atmosphere is great, the reason it all feels flat is because the entertainment on show is flat