dealwithit
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The RFL just needs the balls to start its own NH 4 Nations with promotion/relegation. Gives an opportunity for the Georgians, Serbs, Dutch, Ukrainians etc to aspire to something.
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6 hours ago, del capo said:
Haven't they just reformed the 1895 cup to provide more knock out fixtures for League 1.?
Your evidence that there is no appetite from fans is based on what exactly ?
All Elite 1 clubs need to remain in France and in winter but if you asked any of the players from either country if they fancied it I'm sure they would snatch your hand off.
Never going to happen though without funding.
Evidence = spectators, viewership, broadcast deals, sponsorship dollars. All have dropped away for the Challenge Cup. The Lord Derby used to be much bigger too. Australia no longer has any cup tournaments at professional level.
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@ATLANTISMAN there’s no evidence RL fans want a cup style tournament. If anything, the contrary. The thing in FFRXIII’s favour is that Elite 1 is played when the biggest consumer of RL is lacking content. The biggest thing working against FFRXIII is the language. Record the games with English commentary, tell the stories, build the hype and get the games on Kayo Sports. This has never really been attempted. League 1 is not the saviour for the top Elite 1 teams.
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York a chance of taking a top 12 grading if they win the comp?
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On 30/11/2023 at 22:35, phiggins said:
I think the SL reserves only play once a month, or something like that. So we seem to be keeping one bad thing (DR), to compensate for doing the good thing (reserves) badly. DR seems even more stupid now you can do 2 week loans now.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
With IMG points up for grabs for performance, perhaps we’ll get to a point of no more DR as bottom SL clubs are worried about advancing B grade clubs.
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The thing that makes no sense is SL clubs having a reserves team and dual reg.
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Elliot Kear should never have left London.
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IMG points for stadium ownership?
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18 hours ago, eal said:
The telling thing is that the President of the IRL is basically someone fitting the job in around their actual job. I can't imagine the heads of many other international sporting bodies are working evenings and weekends in the office around another job!
This is just not true. Grant was the Chairman. A job whereby he’s paid very little to attend board meetings and attend events and influence people. Danny Kazanjian is the Secretary General and employed full time. He was previously the head of the RLEF. The IRL has other employees too, including Remond Safi (Middle East Africa), Romeo Monteith (Americas), Jovan from Serbia (Central & Eastern Europe) and Jeremy from Australia (Asia-Pacific).
Typical RL.
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14 hours ago, gingerjon said:
It is worth clarifying, every time, that the government support was match funding.
The French Rugby League produced six magic beans instead of the money they said they would raise thus there was no government support.
It was dependent on local mayoral funding. With covid, local governments were less supportive. As such, the feds took the money away.
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Cynicism aside, these are good changes. But when the opening rounds attract 30+ penalties, the RFL needs to have the balls to continue with them.
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SL… forever 12+ months behind the NRL.
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Grant is influential. Former politician. Worked closely with Vlandys when he had responsibility for Liquor & Gaming portfolio. His reign will be remembered for the covid years. Thing is, we’ve stuffed up and we need to be better.
1) France WC. Grant was instrumental in getting the original support. Then covid and elections led to the gov support evaporating. Whose fault is this? Should the FFRxiii have been better with managing relationships?2) the 2021 WC. A disaster. And they’re handing out OBEs to the organisers. Seriously?
3) Tonga series. 3 lacklustre venues. Why were they selected? Why no dialogue from RL Commercial/RFL? Why are the fans not good enough to get a response? Why don’t our journalists ask the tough questions?
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On 20/11/2023 at 04:30, Gomersall said:
Why do you keep calling it P&L?
I’m stuck in work mode.
*P&R
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20 hours ago, Dave T said:
I do agree with some of the challenges around some of the scoring categories, and my view is that there should be a period of Refinement to make sure these things are doing the right things. Whether they will, we'll we'll see.
Ignoring my overarching view of whether P&R and grading are compatible, I don't have too much of an issue with it being difficult for clubs to move into SL. That's part of the point really, it is meant to root out what happened this year. I understand why people don't like the approach, but I'm not sure many could challenge the point that Super League is no better with this London team in.
I think we have to see what happens to an extent, I think the scores are relatively close at the top end of Championship and SL, and while I haven't spent any time playing around with movements, it does suggest there will be some P&R.
I agree with your last paragraph. Begs the question, would it not have been easier to allow P&L between same grading teams, rather than observing of 0.01 points — noting the above mentioned favouritism for SL teams. I’d like to think If Featherstone won the championship and a fellow B grade side like Leigh lost, that there’d be straight P&L. Instead we’ll be left counting who go the most tv viewers and the most likes on facebook, when naturally there’s higher engagement in SL than Championship.
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1 hour ago, Dave T said:
Hang on, aren't we talking about SL clubs London Broncos beibg kicked out? And Leigh being at risk despite their excellent 2023?
And Toulouse are on the list to be elevated.
So tbh, I struggle to keep up. If this system is to protect the current teams, it ain't doing a brilliant job, and aren't the likes of London always treated like favourites, until they aren't?
I'm not convinced they have it right, which probably isn't a surprise for v1, but I don't doubt what they are trying to achieve.
Yeah good point. But the weighting on League position, tv ratings and crowds is substantial and any B grade club in championship will do it tough cracking the bottom SL clubs from ‘25 onwards — even if they produce players, are based in strategically important areas or have huge potential. If you’re not in SL you’re not on tv and you’re not attracting bigger crowds. Hard to compete.
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5k seater not max capacity.
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Couple quick observations:
1. Regional academies should be run by the RFL
2. Broncos will pick up IMG points for increased crowds, viewing numbers and revenue from their 2024 season. Probably not enough to stay up.
3. Most supported P&L with minimum standards ie. junior pathways, decent stadium, etc. Few thought the IMG gradings would be what they are: a way to nail in the existing SL clubs.
4. 2024 marks another missed opportunity in the narrative of RL.
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Looking at ticket map I’d be saying 14k for St Helens match.
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I’ve had another look through the scoring and I have Toulouse ahead of Wakey, Cas and Salford.
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London need additions. But they won’t lose the likes of Parata just because he needs to be a FT player. He has a successful project management company. The broncos have said they’ll accommodate players as best they can. Living in London, it would be no surprise for some of their squad to earn far more from non-SL income.
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1 minute ago, Rovers13 said:
Toulouse are in a financial mess now they haven’t gone up according to reports.
They just released a statement detailing their financial strength and that a younger owner with deeper pockets is to take over
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Just now, Rovers13 said:
I’d be amazingly surprised if the 12 clubs are not the usual 11 plus wakey I’d get drunk if I’m wrong to celebrate
If it’s the same 11 plus wakey I’ll book you a flight to aus to get drunk with me
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1 minute ago, Rovers13 said:
Marketing, crowds, financially, social media sponsors etc etc.
financially? Toulouse have deeper pockets than wakey and cas. They will score higher for non-central finance.
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Why having all Super League Games is not a good idea
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Agreed. Definitely not the case in the NRL. Means RL fans more likely to casually tune in to watch a game not involving their team.