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  1. 1 hour ago, unapologetic pedant said:

    There are some blokes who, when you first meet them, grip your hand so tightly you`re not sure what the intention is. If they look a bit menacing, there`s a strong incentive to see it as a friendly gesture.

    My thoughts exactly. Discretion being the better part of valour

  2. 1 hour ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

    The RFL are the tumour in the sport.  The RLEF needs to be purged of people with RFL backgrounds.



    That's a bit strong Tex.

    How have you come the this conclusion?

    You must have information, some of us do not.

    Would you care to elaborate? 

  3. 8 hours ago, The Rocket said:

    Always wanted to ask you about that, I remember when I first came on line here you told me that you had been present at a Manly training session once and always wondered if you had just been present when they were training by accident, maybe you were there when they were training at an oval or whether it was something more official, looks like the latter. The earliest Manly hooker and five -eight I can recall are Max Krilich and Alan Thompson. Both fantastic intelligent footballers. Some people would say `real footballers` having to find ways through the old 5 metre rule. I`m not so sure, I think they are all pretty good, I am a big fan of DCE.

    Speaking of Manly, I got caught up in the hype of the `96 GF and went down to the St.George open training session in GF week, as is my want, all the Dragons Fan Club were gathered around one side of the field so I went round the other. After about 20 minutes David Waite stopped the training session and sent an assistant over to see if I was a spy for Manly, I said to the bloke `are you kidding me? ` he must have believed me because he went back over ,spoke to Waite and they carried on training. 

    The other thing I remember you telling me was your first trip to the beach in OZ and how a certain young Lady caught your attention.😉

    Fred Jones, was before Max Krillich.

    He features in one of the NRL videos looking back at old times.

    I never saw him play but he must have been good, to represent Australia.

    I was there as part of a Welsh Surf Life Saving Team (can you believe it?) and the chap I was staying with wanted to introduce me to Fred because he knew I was a RL nut.

    I was at the bar in the Harbord pub, getting a few Schooners, waiting to be served, so Fred came up behind me and slapped me across the back of my head.

    He slapped me so hard it nearly knocked me over, lol. So I thought right, thats it, he's having it.

    Then I turned round and saw his face! Which looked like granite.

    So i put my hand out and said ''pleased to meet you'' lol.

    He just laughed and shook my hand. We got on great after that. 

  4. 2 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

    This thread could be a sub-thread of the one about where the game will be in 2070. If we continue to be largely a one-trick Tackle pony, with other forms peripheral, we might not be in great shape. Unless the human body and attitudes change sufficiently to produce many more people ready and able to play Tackle RL safely and happily. As you noted, all the familial and societal trends are in the opposite direction.

    Worth saying too that recently in a lot of traditional RL areas the increase in female tackle numbers is masking a decline in male Tackle numbers.

    The more I look at the social media of those NSW clubs who integrate LLT with Tackle, the more this seems the best strategy for growth. Delivering RL as a contact/non-contact package in the same clubs. However, the fact that in these clubs League Tag is only for females, that would-be male Tag players only have the option of Oztag away from RL clubs, hints at why Leagues and clubs have been so slow to catch on.

    The RL emphasis on physicality and toughness militates against seeing a non-contact form as respectable for men and boys. The juxtaposition of Tackle and Tag for female players is just seen as two versions of the game requiring different skill sets or posing different challenges. There`s an interchange of players and supporters.

    For men and boys it would more likely be seen as a contrast between real men playing real Rugby League and pansies only up to playing an inauthentic travesty. I wonder if male Oztag players might be too embarrassed to start Men`s League Tag in an RL club. The consequence is that if males are uncomfortable with heavy contact, or can`t afford to risk injury, we send them away to the clubs of other sports.

    When i worked in junior schools, pushing ''little league'' the course was 6 weeks long.

    At the beginning of week 4 (i think) we introduced tackling skills and played tackle from then on.

    That lesson produced a split in the class, in every school we visited, without exception.

    Our solution was a simple even if simplistic one.

    We wanted the teacher to keep the whole class engaged so we explained that ''little league'' could be played with tackling, for those that wanted to play tackle and without tackling for those that didn't fancy it.

    This was how we retained interest and heaps of enjoyment for every kid in the class.

    If this simple idea is introduced when the kids are young, there is no stigma attached to choosing the non-tackle game.

    Depending on numbers of course, non-tackle can be played by single sex, or mixed groups. 

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  5. 4 hours ago, The Rocket said:

    While I`ve got you,  I saw something the other day  I have been wanting to tell you about. Des Hasler and one of his assistant coaches held a ` zoom ` call with any coach who was interested from the Manly-Warringah feeder area, from the min/mod League comps right through to the grade coaches, all welcome. They normally hold it at the club. They covered about 8 topics the three that stuck in my mind were; Offensive and defensive tactics, choosing the best position for different players( I thought that was very interesting choice of topic )and the other that stuck in my mind was the development of players as people off field. Got to admit I was pretty impressed, not sure if that is more widespread than I know about, either way  I thought it was a pretty good initiative. The opportunity for even the kids coaches to mix and ask questions with the Head coach, not bad.

    After what Reddy did to Price in the `77 GF replay, where Reddy was basically given carte blanche to exact revenge for Price ending St. George`s halfback Mark Shulman`s career in the GF three days before, I am amazed that those two could play in the same team let alone pack down in the same scrum . LOL.

    I honestly believe the Australian pack is as lacking in depth as I have ever seen it. I would put the Kiwis a far way ahead, but if you blokes you can get the ones I have seen firing at the right time next year, you never know. Dogs are towelling up the Rabbits over here.

    See post above? 

  6. I stayed in Manly in 1980 for 6 weeks and went to Manly-Warringah leagues club.

    You can imagine how chuffed I was.

    I spent a bit of time with Fred Jones, ex Manly and Australia hooker and also (do you remember?) Graeme Williams, ex-Manly 5/8th from Swinton.

    I was blown away by the quality of everything I witnessed.

    Meanwhile over here, we had just introduced our coaching scheme, authored and administered by Phil Larder and the RFL were leaning on our Pro coaches to get the qualifications so they could tell our amateur coaches they should get on board.

    Then someone at Manly told me that there were over 400 grade-4 (top level coaches, in the Australian scheme) coaching Under 10's teams in Sydney !!!!! 

    That's 40 years ago Rocket.

    It's no wonder we struggle to beat you fellas.

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  7. 20 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

    Yeah I understand where you`re coming from,  If it happened these days it would be considered assault. In a way it was the `what happens on the field stays on the field `gone wrong. Not sure about the life long trauma, most of them blokes would probably just think ` bloody lunatic`.

    How about Les Boyd, Rod Reddy and Ray Price in the Aussie backrow. No rectal examinations , but I reckon those three had just about everything else in the foul play handbook covered.

    Yes their assaults were invariably ''full frontal'', great great players.

    I wish we could (on a regular basis) return to those Test match confrontations.

    I miss them so much, even though, we usually ended up crying in our beer. 

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  8. 9 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

    Irish, I always had it down to he was trying to put blokes off their game. Now whether it was effective or not who knows, upsetting one bloke on your opponents team is unlikely to increase you chances of winning, upset a few maybe. I don`t think he was doing it to multiple people in the one game and if knowing Hopoate he probably only did to blokes he had a set against. The expression `mad as a meat axe` springs to mind.

    Yes i'm sure he was trying to ''upset'' him.

    I'm just concerned the ''upset'' could be lifelong and not finish at 80 minutes.

    To try and clarify my attitude a bit, if he did it to ''upset'' a woman, who beat him to the last two Mango's in the supermarket he'd probably be banned from Walmart for life and end up on the sex offenders register.

    God knows how long it would take the poor girl to get over it.

    I just think its reprehensible.

    I'd much prefer to play against Les Boyd (and all that that entails) than Hopoate any day.

  9. 7 hours ago, The Rocket said:

    I don`t think that explanation is going to cut it and certainly not what they are going to want to hear.LOL

    I'm really struggling to come up with any alternative explanation.

    Grabbing someone's genitals (in a fight say) can be explained away as an attempt to cause excruciating pain.

    But sticking your finger in someone's backside (without their consent) is not in the same category.

    Its sickeningly weird and can't be classified as anything but a perverse sexual assault.

    The lousy bast...d should be off the field for good and on a sex offenders register.

    That we ever allowed him the opportunity to do it a second time beggars belief.

  10. 34 minutes ago, Cheshire Setter said:

    Also, why do we call it a squirrel grip? I have many squirrels who transit my garden. I’ve never had one grab my testicles, although they do steal the bird feed. Is it a common problem or are they being unfairly targeted with sexual assault allegations? The subject wasn’t really approached on episodes of Rocky and Bullwinkle.

    Isn't it obvious why the reference to squirrels?

    Anyway, I think this behaviour needs to be completely eradicated.

    I don't think its funny fellas and its a huge (disgusting) negative in terms of the games image on television.

    20 to 30 years of hard fought development work in the community wiped out in an instant.

    I'm not saying that these blokes are sexually motivated but it looks abhorrent.

    Three more examples, that the game is its own worst enemy. 

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  11. Two packages for sale.

    Does anyone know, to whom the invitations to tender, have been sent?

    The best lever in any negotiation is ''walk away power'' but if there are no alternatives to Sky then we have a very weak hand indeed.

    If the total amount of money raised from this sale can't be increased, then we face a miserable slide to oblivion.

    Breaking up the offerings for sale to different broadcasters may at least provide exposure to new people, some additional income and over time, convince other broadcasters of the value of our product and induce one of them to challenge Sky for the privilege of representing Rugby League down the line.

    Offering a simple bulk-buy, take it or leave it package, is asking for trouble. 

    I'd break it up into as many chunks as we can.

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  12. 19 hours ago, dkw said:

    Why don't sky give away something for free that they've paid for? 

    Well I imagine, over time, it might draw new people in to buy subscriptions.

    Thereby increasing their income in future years.

    Growth stimulated by marketing to a new audience.

    Now where have I heard that one before? 

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  13. Once went to a seven a side tournament in Milton Keynes. The tournament took place on 4 fields (such was the attendance) and lasted most of the day. We turned up with 9 blokes, one of which was our prop forward, 5 feet 9 inches tall and 17 and a half stones in weight.

    Let's just say he wasn't the archetypal sevens player.

    Near the end of the day, the final was played and (fair play) all the other teams players and their supporters stayed on to watch. It was quite a crowd. We lost the toss and they decided to receive the ball.

    Just before the ref blew his whistle to start the game, there was a hush in the crowd and one small voice said ''Run at the fat bast..rd''. I said to my brother ''Did you hear that Dan?'' ''Yes he said'' as we both looked across at our number 8, his head bowed in a classic pose we'd seen many times before. We kicked off and their receiver (a real crowd-pleaser) ran straight at our number 8.

    It took 40 minutes to restart the match, after the ambulance had carried this poor chap off to the infirmary.

    Just before the ref blew his whistle to indicate time on again, a hush fell over the crowd and the same little voice was heard to say

    ''Don't run at the fat bast..d''

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  14. 22 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

    But they won't Irish is the answer, in fact there will be more hopefuls clamouring to take up the game over here, simply because the opportunity to play and live in these exotic locations will be available to them so I have been told, Irrespective of there being far less people to teach them the game doesn't even come into the equation. 

    Well that's what I'm inviting him to explain Harry.

    Without a ''conveyor belt'' of top quality players the games a dead duck.

    No matter how many billionaires you've got.

  15. 16 hours ago, Big Picture said:

    Because I love the sport and have for going on 25 years now.  Like most others here I hate seeing it slowly fall further and further behind other sports here in the northern hemisphere.  Unlike you and they, I've come to understand that no answer to that problem can be found within the game's existing structure in the UK.



    I've asked you this before BP and you declined to answer. So I'll give it another shot.

    Your Big City league is a laudable goal but my question is, how do you get from here to there?

    You are convinced we can't grow from within the existing structure, so how can it be done from without?

    You pick 12 cities, I'll grant you the Billionaire backers, what next?

    How do you create the teams (and sustain them) if the English player factories close down?

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