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  1. it seems to me that the real issue here, is the possibility of multiple visits (to France) due to repeat (loop) fixtures. The (obvious) solution to this is, in Super League at least, the move to a 14 team league. It's a bit more difficult with a league with less than 14 teams but I think that if (by chance) a club has to travel to France, more than once, then the league should (if anyone) provide financial assistance to the disadvantaged club. To ask the French club to pay for it all, is (to me) completely unjustifiable and embarrassingly unpalatable.
  2. What's parking like there? I might just make the effort to get to one of their games in the next few months.
  3. Something's just occurred to me about the debts. Did Sonny Bill get paid? Or is he part of the group suing for unpaid wages.
  4. I'm sorry mate, I don't know what happened when, so I might have the cart before the horse. cheers,
  5. Forgive me 'Arry but I've made my ''take on it'' quite plain and I think the scant evidence we have, supports my hypothesis. Let me ask, did you operate under the protection of limited liability status 'Arry? Gladly, you seem to have operated profitably, over the course of your business life, despite some significant defaults on the part of your customers, congratulations! If however, your business suffered a catastrophic deviation from your business plan and nose dived below the break even line, for a sustained period of time, your business would have gone into administration and ultimately bankruptcy. Would you have sheltered under your limited liability status? Or done the heroic thing and sold your home, put your family into the poor house, just to pay your creditors? Almost all businesses in the UK operate as limited companies, as you well know, and under the circumstances mentioned above when things turn down, ''the company'' carries the liabilities, not the founder/directors of the company. The owners liability extends only to the capital invested. Under the circumstances, Argyles decision to stop investing is quite reasonable. I made it quite clear that I thought the Wolfpack company owes the money, not Argyle. So my ''position'' is quite clear, completely unambiguous.
  6. Come on 'Arry. I agree that we should pay our suppliers and employees, no argument. I must say though that while remaking this point you deftly sidestepped my question. What would you have done? Suppose you entered a competition and invested 20 million in good faith and then it became apparent (I'm not blaming Elstone for this, as I agree he was little more than a mouthpiece) that your club has no future in this competition. What's the point in carrying on pouring money into this pointless, bottomless pit? So come on mate, what would you have done, if your were Argyle, 20 million down, when the double-cross became evident?
  7. Well Dave, of course you are entitled to your opinion. It's clear we disagree. We needn't say more.
  8. I can't really understand your motivation to have a dig but so be it. Do you really think he submitted a business plan which said he wasn't going to pay his staff? WTF are you on about? Since we are all engaging in speculation, without any real knowledge of what went on, here's my take on it. I'd say, early on he decided he'd put up say 20 million dollars. It kicks off like a house on fire, everything is going great. He employs a management team and tells them you've got 20 million to make this thing work. Come to me, as the money looks like it's running out? Then he gets treated appallingly and made to feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit by Robert Elstone, so he thinks, ''That's it, they've had the budget, I'm not spending any more on a game that just doesn't want us, so I'm out.'' The company, that he bankrolled, ran out of money (because he turned off the tap) and the management team couldn't make it viable, so it went bankrupt. It's the bankrupt company (and perhaps, it's inept management team) that owes the players and all the other suppliers some money, not Argyle. Your experience in business should tell you that such stories (of limited companies going bust and leaving unpaid debts) are very common, in business. Your characterisation of ''the nasty Mr Elstone'', in an attempt to minimise his part in it (and/or to ridicule me and my opinion) is both childish and churlish, but if it suits you to just blame ''nasty Mr Argyle'' then fill yer boots.
  9. I'm not saying it was right to leave people ''high and dry'' 'Arry, but I'm not prepared to turn a blind eye to the way he was treated by Robert Elstone, as if it was immaterial in his decision to stop pouring millions into the game.
  10. 'Arry, I'm absolutely convinced the man had plenty of money but after (spending millions in good faith) and then enduring a series of comments by the then head of the RFL, making it quite clear they were unwanted, unwelcome, and nothing but a huge inconvenience, he just decided to pull the plug To stop spending millions, with an organisation who flirted with him, seduced him into membership and then grew to despise him. I can hardly blame him. To pretend the RFL weren't culpable in this debacle is worse than one-eyed 'Arry. What would you have done, in his position?
  11. Nor me mate but if I had to choose between V'landys and you, to promote our game, then my money's on V'landys.
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