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On 21/04/2023 at 21:54, Dave T said:
Yeah, I'm not a fan of changing fundamentals here, but I like the approach to testing. I remember hating the corner flag change initially, and now it's a great change. Be interesting to watch.
I welcome the testing with reservations, it shows a commitment to managing (and reducing) the risks to players responsibly.
My personal preference would be that we make the changes (for testing) one at a time, so that any benefits accrued can be unequivocally attributed to the change and ensure that the conclusions are unsullied (not confused) by two or more changes.
I'm more in favour of the armpit limit (I've suggested the nipple line in the past) but unsure of the benefit of shortening the kick-off field length.
One of the by-products of the change may be, that by pinning the (previous) scoring team closer to their own goal line, will result in reducing the (sometimes embarrassing) margins in one-sided games.
My chief concern (about the trial) is how you collect and analyse data, which actually verifies the wisdom of the change.
Unless we can make some objective claims about the benefits of any changes, then the trial is pointless.
This is something I'm really interested in and eager to know more about so, what records will the experimenters collect? How will they compare them to the original (unchanged) game and how long will the trial run to ensure that the sample sizes are sufficient to provide statistically reliable/meaningful results?
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8 minutes ago, Futtocks said:
I remember the utterly underwhelming last match. The concept withered away and died due to lack of interest even in Yorkshire and Lancashire, let alone anywhere else.
Just because Origin worked in Australian Rugby League doesn't mean it'll work elsewhere or in other sports. The AFL Origin games are also firmly in the dustbin of history because they couldn't make a success of it.
Wasn't the war of the roses nearly 600 years ago?
I should think most people have forgotten all about it by now, let alone be motivated by such ancient rivalry.
It's hardly surprising the concept doesn't excite fans.
Let's get USA, Jamaica, (Canada maybe) into a N.H. tournament.
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The U.S. of A.
This place has the greatest potential for producing a credible, competitive International team than anywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere and in the shortest timescale.
Someone from the European RL (wouldn't it be better called the N.H.?) should contact them, organise a meeting of all stakeholders and tell them ''we'' want them in.
As it is, we are just ignoring the place almost completely.
They seem to be a mess of disparate groups, with no real incentive to co-operate (with each other).
The offer of regular International competition would, I believe, be a catalyst to 1. Unification, 2. Accelerated growth, 3. International credibility, 4. Competitive parity with Scotland, Wales, and Ireland and later, France and England.
I had hoped the N.R.L. might pick up the gauntlet and help them unite, but I suspect they are (literally) afraid of being overtaken and dwarfed by the Yanks, if it takes off too fast.
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On 15/04/2023 at 16:45, unapologetic pedant said:
Would still urge against complacency in the fight with Fumble. NRL needs to be ahead of the curve. Halcyon days are the best time to assess and future-proof the product.
Had to google HSAT. And got "Home Sleep Apnea Test". None the wiser.
Having Said All That?
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6 minutes ago, gingerjon said:
Point out that those new clothes he’s modelling look a bit on the transparent side?
The whole forum, seems a bit flat to me at the moment.
I was just hoping a bit of gossip would cheer me up.
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1 hour ago, Billy Hunt said:
Juan Jasso is still listed as players manager of the Bath Gladiators https://bathgladiators.com/contact-page/
So yes there is your Dean Buchan link once again
Won't be long until DB grants another Franchise.... to the Sonics .?
Whatever that means.
Tell us about Dean Buchan banning you from his social media sites?
What did you do to offend the Euro XIII's maverick ?
We're all ears.
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12 hours ago, meast said:
It's not just crept in, it's been going on for years now and it's just been ignored.
As has talking, gobbing off to the ref.
It's like watching a gymnastics team warm up or a duck race with all the flapping arms around!
I thought duck races, used plastic ducks!
So how can they flap their arms (wings) about?
LOL
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2 hours ago, Copa said:
I played high school varsity football in the US and we trained 2 hours a day five days a week after school during season and also had a weights session every day during the school day as one of our “classes”. Some schools trained a lot more than that.
We would smash our helmets into other players all the time. There was no concern at all for our brain health.. they didn’t care at all and we were just high school students.
While there are some people who will change processes based on the science as it comes through, there are plenty of others who will only change processes under the threat of lawsuits.
It will be interesting to see how it all develops within rugby league.
Yes I'm sure that is the case.
The jaw dropping revelation in the film, was that the NFL knew all along that the game was causing brain damage but hushed it up, so as to maintain the gladiatorial spectacle.
Gus Gould springs to mind as an example of the games NFL-like apologists, (often arguing that some of the games biggest hits, cause no real harm, so we have no need to change).
I don't think the RFL were aware and so I assume any compensation claims will be modified (slightly at least) on that basis.
We'll have to wait and see.
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2 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:
shortened pre season causing injury?
we used to play football on a sat - rugby on a sun and in summer tennis every night during week and cricket at weekend unless it was raining then we would get in boxing/wrestling ring instead - dont make me laugh !
Tell that to the kids these days....they'll never believe yer!
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29 minutes ago, redjonn said:
Not sure of the logic.... just on a specific point as distinct from the general case as I don't know the detail of the legal action.
If the players didn't know the risk (as you state), then surely neither did the admin/authorities. Then their would be no justification point in the legal case.
Surely its that the risks were known but the admin/authorities of the sport didn't do enough to mitigate the risks. By extension the players therefore did know the risks but not enough was done to protect them.
The danger (if I can use that term in this context) for the game, is that today at least, the game has a duty of care.
If the game was invented today, we would have to have considered the potential risk and conducted a ''risk assessment''. If the risk was estimated as unacceptable then we would have to take steps to reduce the perceived risk to an acceptable level (as far as is reasonably practicable).
Not doing the risk assessment would be seen as negligent. To have done a (poorly thought out) risk assessment and not implemented a ''risk management'' strategy to significantly reduce the risk would also be judged negligent.
The players, voluntary participation would mean (at best/at worst) some share in the responsibility for their injury and as such may reduce any potential claims but would not eliminate the games responsibilities to the ignorant players.
Have we done a risk assessment? When did we do it? How thorough was it? What ''changes'' did it recommend? did we make the players aware of the risks and our recommended risk management strategy? Did we implement the changes? Can we demonstrate that the risk management protocols actually reduced the risks?
This is why these issues end up in court.
How a judge would weigh the relative duties and responsibilities (between player and game) is anybody's guess. Whether the judge will allow some leniency due to the recent emergence of the medical knowledge of CTE (and contrasted by the game being invented over a hundred years ago) remains to be seen.
The best we can do, in the meantime, is to take a very serious look at the risks inherent in our game and based on all available data, come up with a laudable risk management strategy/protocol.
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11 hours ago, RP London said:
Quickest win they could have for "taking it seriously"
I just watched the Will Smith film, "concussion".
I'm not sure it's the best place to gather data from, for this argument, but one of the points that struck me was that the researcher (Will Smith) concluded that damage is done by ''sub-concussive'' impacts and it was the cumulative effect which manifests itself as Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.
I've been surprised by the fact that NFL and Rugby is being challenged in this way, but yet boxing seems to be evading this kind of scrutiny. I found myself wondering how many such knocks (of this nature) a boxer might suffer in a professional career and at (say) 20 punches a round, that's 200 per fight and 6000 or so, in a 30 fight career. Many of which might be glancing blows or (when anticipated by the recipient who moves his head backwards) causing lesser rates of acceleration than if his head was stationary.
Forgive me for this rough and ready estimation (which doesn't include training impacts) but remember our players play 20 odd games a year and almost all our impacts occur with both players running in opposite directions adding their speeds together on impact (without attempts at evading the collision). They may have done high impact collision training 3 or 4 times a week also.
The first NFL player studied (in the film) had suffered over 70,000 such injuries in his career, many of which were high speed, head on collisions.
So perhaps, boxing is less damaging than our game (god forbid).
Anyway, the point I wanted to make was, that as well as trying to reduce the most forceful collisions by thinking about changing what constitutes a ''legal tackle'' and improving (extending) recovery periods after injury, we should certainly find ways, (as you rightly suggest) to reduce the total number of impacts and thereby, the damaging cumulative effect of seemingly non-injurious head accelerations during our training sessions.
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"Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light...."
Who's helping America?
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4 hours ago, GoBroncos said:
Just wait to see the sport in 15 years. Head trauma has to stop, but there has to be a way to keep the sport resembling what it was and thx you gogledd for a constructive comment. I'll leave it but, you guys have to have some informed opinions
I don't think this issue is going to go away either mate.
So suggesting we come up with ideas to reduce (if not eliminate) the number and severity of brain traumas is a good idea.
I think that a move to lower the fair tackle line from the collar bones to below the pectoral muscles is worth an experimental try. I'm fairly sure it would improve the lot of the ball carriers.
I'm just worried that it might make things slightly worse, for the tackler.
One of my own favoured methods of breaking a tackle was to put the ''bumpers'' up and invariably my forearms and/or elbows would contact the tacklers head (especially if they aimed for the midriff).
Anyway, if you want to carry on talking about this, I'll be in it.
I'll just close by saying that any ''experiment'' of this nature needs to be measured objectively, in order to judge unequivocally, whether any such change is actually successful in reducing the risk to our players.
That in itself, presents a significant challenge.
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3 hours ago, Henson Park Old Firm said:
.... and bring back the classic Oldham Bears logo
and Andy Goodway.
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Feels good doesn't it?
I like feeling good.
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17 minutes ago, pahars said:
I suppose it depends how many people it would attract to the area.
All it would take is 1,000 people spending over €200 to justify it as a boost to the local economy.
I would have thought England games would go for a lot more.
Or 5,000 spending 40. You can't get much for 40 euro's on a day out, or indeed a weekend in a big city.
It sounds like chicken feed to me and considering the scale of city budgets, really penny-pinching.
Quite surprising and very disappointing.
Is it ominous? I'm afraid so.
We'll see, I certainly hope not.
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1 minute ago, JohnM said:
discussing the Dolphins/Broncos game on Sky now, I'm struck by some parallels between this fixture and a similar on in SuperLeague.
1. Two teams from the same conurbation.
2. One from the main town, the other from a nearly dormitory/suburb
3. One team, a nationally-known club with a history of great success over many many years, supplier of players to other nearby clubs.
4. The other a noisy neighbour headline-grabbing newcomer to the top league but striving for sustained success
Who might those SL teams be?
Now you've done it, opened Pandora's box, cried havoc and let slip the dog's of war!
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10 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:
There’s definitely less than 26 letters in the Hull dialect, let alone the 74 that lot have
Ha Ha, my wife's from the Black Country and they have fewer letters too.
The strange thing (to me) is that they have more vowel sounds (achieved by mangling the original ones) and about half the consonants.
When I first met her and her teenage son, he said a sentence which lasted about 4 or 5 seconds without any consonants at all !
How are you? translates to Owamya? and a Zebra is a stripy'oss.
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1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:
Sounds like it cherry picked the most popular themes on this forum
Yes it does, lol.
Having said that, aren't they obvious?
It's one thing though, to list these goals/desires and another thing a big thing, to (pay to) make it happen.
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On 19/03/2023 at 04:55, RugbyLeagueRaj said:
CRL 5 Palo Alto Razorbacks vs Sacramento Immortals at Greer Park, Palo Alto.
32-66 to the visitors who were red hot. Razorbacks made a few mistakes that gifted the Immortals easy pressure. Immortals #9 is a Fiji 7s Olympic gold medalist.Video of the match.
With that quality of player turning up (from amongst such a vast population) a competitive USA team isn't far from a reality.
Come on NRL, get stuck in over there.
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1 hour ago, Copa said:
Why? It’s about potential playing talent for the NRL and the possibility of increasing its profile.
It seems to be about identifying elite athletes with a unique set of potentially transferable skills.
If they have potential put them into the Australian systems where they have access to elite coaches and experienced rugby league players.
I don’t understand the negativity to the NRL wanting to just have a crack and see what happens. If it all turns into something rubbish, they can then learn from it.
I'm not saying they shouldn't do as you suggest, I say go for it and I will cheer them on.
What I'm calling for is a little more imagination, with a much bigger goal to aim at and if I may say so, with an enormous potential reward for the game as a whole, if they/we can move it in that direction.
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Any news on the viewing figures yet?
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I wish they'd establish an office over there and assist the existing leagues to unite and form a decent comp.
Just cherry-picking a few ''recruits'' who might make it in the NRL seems such a narrow minded outlook.
I reckon there would be literally hundreds of ex-American football players of varying class, who would love to play RL if the competition had some credibility.
A competitive USA team wouldn't half give the game a boost in the Northern Hemisphere and liven up our next World Cup.
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5 hours ago, del capo said:
The RL website can be clunky I agree but did you actually search the web itself Irish? I've just googled ' Community Game reports rugby league ' and pulled up the last 3. Another one is imminent.
These reports are a contractual arrangement between RFL and Sport England and contain KPI's that have to be measured and met to justify present and ongoing funding. They average 20+ pages each and are detailed. The statistics are double checked by Sport England every time - ' warts and all' - even down to the numbers and types of players registered in each area and games played in those regions.
Have another look Irish - it's all there !
Thanks for the advice del capo. I will keep my finger on the pulse (now I know where the pulse is).
It's great to see some solid work being done.
I hope it continues to yield positive results long into the future.
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Following USA RL in its glory and chaos
in The International Rugby League Expansion and Development Forum
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Are they affiliated to the newly revised USARL?