paul hicks
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4 hours ago, Leonard said:
Whitehaven and Workington
London and midland broncos.
come on neither are in the heartlands so the catchment area is anything down there
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4 hours ago, Leonard said:
Quite. Feels a lack of nuance.
it's all bit of a nuisance
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4 hours ago, GUBRATS said:
I suppose somebody had to post it , at least now you've done it and given the ' stupid '
answer , nobody else will and we can see everybody else providing a realistic alternative answer ?
So in that vein , apart from clubs deciding to commit hari kari by merging , how can any club improve its catchment score ? , genuine answers only please
given the so far 54 pages of complaints and proposals that IMG would laugh at just as hard as mine i can't see a problem.
well i can but i suspect mass murder is not to be encouraged
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3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:
Tell me you didn't just write that out without laughing ?
was just a thought. perhaps they could combine there IMG points on the back of it.
if London and midlands hurricanes merged could the not combine there grading points and get into the top 12. got to be worth a try.
ah just a flight of fancy but no dafter than a number of posts on the thread. just not as desperate
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24 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:
Unless we are seriously expecting clubs to move , I really don't understand the catchment score , but hey ho we have gone down this route , as I said IMO it will be divisive for the game , I can see some clubs spending more time checking other clubs scores than looking at their own
And God forbid somebody gets relegated or refused promotion only for a score to be later found as wrong
Madness
its easy to improve the catchment score.
just merge with any other team in the same catchment area
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5 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:
From memory during the licencing period the Widnes owner 'invested' money into the club to get turnover above the threshold to be eligible for a licence.
Under the IMG system investments have to be long term - which is defined as a minimum of one year......
fine so you put the money into the club account for a year and leave it there. then after a year you take it back out again. still a bit of a con you could do
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28 teams.
the idea is you play each opponent once and rotate the home and away fixtures against each club each season.
you don't get tired of seeing the same clubs all the time and you spread the game.
yes, you would need a lot of investment.
there would be blowout scores at times but don't we already have a lot of blowout scores in super league already.
the remaining clubs could be in a development league which could increase over time.
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6 hours ago, M j M said:
I agree, it penalises self-sufficient clubs. Here's the official logic behind it.
but in reality, its just keeping a club going by pushing more money in rather than rather than running a business that can stand on its own two feet without external investment.
is there not a section where you get points for been self-sufficient and not needing more external money pumping in as that would show a sound profitable business and surely should be rewarded. instead, you reward business for needing more external money because it can't increase its internal profitability through good business management.
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6 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:
I don't think you need to actually spend it, but simply use the mechanism to gain extra points.
so really, it's a con you just rest a bit of money in the club accounts but lay it aside not to use .
it's also a waste of money if it's not earning.
could you just put it in say this month and then take it out next month and claim it was a short-term investment
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19 minutes ago, M j M said:
I've updated my estimate of Leeds calc using @Barley Mow's revised performance figures. Plus I've corrected the stadium utilisation scores using last three year averages where before I'd incorrectly just used 2023 (for 2021 I've only taken games with unrestricted crowds).
I wasn't expecting it to work but... it did!
interesting although i did not realise points were awarded for increase in owner investment. in this case it looks strange because the owner does not need to increase investment. what on earth would Leeds spend the extra investment on that they cant manage to do now
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as many as can be afforded to give a reasonable amount of money to each team.
if you spread the money to thin then it will result in teams going bust trying to keep up with some clubs who are better funded.
so really it depends what the deals with media and sponsors are.
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1 hour ago, UBranger said:
So what's the point of this and how much did it cost. Lots of confusion and nobody happy.
oh i can think of at least 7 A rated clubs that are happy
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4 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. The majority won’t know this forum exists or that the BBC has a comments section let alone be commenting on them.
if i may put it this way.
I'm looking at this thread but not complaining and i can't be bothered to look at the BBC or other sites as im happy enough with the results.
ah well time for a cuppa and more watching people trying to wring blood out of there club scarfs
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4 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
Id have no issues with leeds losing points for failing to increase crowds
its not failing to improve crowds i question as those who get reduced crowds
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4 hours ago, Griff said:
Wow. How far can we go? Can a club finish bottom of League One and get promoted to Superleague?
What about the Pennine League?
nope the pennine league is a winter league so could not enter without first moving to a summer comp. nice try though and i recon a couple of those teams could do better than a couple of league teams
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4 hours ago, RigbyLuger said:
Do they get points knocked off for fans chants racist stuff against Bradford?
no more than for Bradford fans chanting racist stuff about a section of the Leeds fans i would presume
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4 hours ago, binosh said:
So if Salford finish bottom next year, and Bradford finish top of the championship then nobody moves leagues?
no the grading table which is all that matters stays as it is now Toulouse and Wakefield would be promoted and Castleford and London would be relegated regardless of position of any of the teams in the leagues.
of course, clubs will be trying to get more grading points to improve their own position but if say castleford finish 10th but do not improve their grade they would go down. really, it's the top 12 teams in the IMG grading that will be in super league in 2025 regardless of their league or position in that league
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16 minutes ago, Damien said:
Their statement was very specific and detailed on the sort of stuff needed:
“Plan A is the full redevelopment which ticks every box going and would help generate more money so then increasing the financial elements of it as well.
“We’ve got a Plan B so if there is an issue and if it drags on where we can’t start anything next season, we have £2 million in the pot from the council to do what we need to do in terms of getting that extra point (from IMG).
“Things that really count – capacity has to be 5,000 which we have ticked, you have to have 2000 seats which we haven’t got.
“You’ve got to have 200 sponsor seats which are padded and physically cordoned off in a different area which we don’t have.
“Your corporate lounge needs to hold 200 which we’ve got, directors box needs to hold 40 and be cordoned off from public are which it isn’t at the moment with direct access to and from the boardroom seats without passing through the public area or be properly stewarded so that’s what we would do.
“There needs to be a broadcast parking area which we have got, studio access for Sky which is on the gantry should be 4 by 4 metres. At the minute it is 3.1 by 3.1 metres but it is doable.
“Media facilities, we don’t have enough but it is doable and photographer facilities is doable. A very rough idea of a Plan B would depend on where we are on the stadium redevelopment by the end of the year.
“Potentially, if the stadium looks like it does now going into next year when we need to get the IMG points, we will start work with the council money.”
The Castleford director then revealed what that council money would provide.
“What we would do then – this is the first draft in my mind – you would refurbish the main stand, you would put the corporate seats in at the top corner and that would be cordoned off.
“We would then move the directors box a couple of rows back to be cordoned off. At the bottom left, it would be more accessible for wheelchair users with a lift where they can watch the game from a height rather than at ground level.
“That would tick a few boxes for corporate and accessibility as a part of minimum standards. We would make media benches bigger, a TV monitor in there with a decent wifi in there.
“The seating capacity would go down even further so what we could do then – I’m not saying this will happen – is take the yellow plastic seats and put them down the front of the Princess Street stand for a hybrid seating and standing which would give the tick for seating capacity.
“We know because they will redo the capacities that we need more barriers in the Wheldon Road end. So take the barriers from the Princess Street to the Wheldon Road stand. Then, we’ve ticked all the boxes to get 1.5 points.
so part of the redevelopment is to take old barriers from the princess street stand that's already a sorry state and put them into the Weldon Road and whoopee that's a part of the job done. not looking good when you put it that way.
by the time they get to spend the £2milloin what's it actually going to get with inflation biting into it every month.
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19 minutes ago, Damien said:
But the recent Castleford statement on their redevelopment certainly made it sound like if was a lot more nuanced than that and not as simplistic as the publicly released handbook.
if Castleford got a point for every announcement on the ground, they would be 20 points in front of the rest. announcements are worth nothing it getting the job done that gets the points. so if there so called redevelopment is not complete and open by the time the next review is carried out then they should and will get nothing for it .
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1 hour ago, HawkMan said:
Well someone should tell Alan to pull his finger out.
i did but i could not understand his answer
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19 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:
Simple answer would be reduce each teams central funding to fund the academies. The problem then goes on to how to distribute the players as you would have to have a full restructure and some fresh ideas if they were to go down a draft type route. The result would be a better competition at the top of the game in my opinion but there is almost a zero chance that teams would go for it.
Huddersfield in there just because of my experience of which clubs players in my area tend to go to. Those numbers for Leeds and Wigan are ridiculous though and if people do not see that as a problem then the game really is in a bad place.
scholarship is different to academy as it covers players of different ages who still play for their own junior teams but get coaching and other benefits from the super league team as well as playing a limited number of games for the scholarship team. in effect for the u15s you would need to bring in a whole new squad each year as well as a few more players in the u16s ect
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33 minutes ago, Daft old hooker said:
While ever we have a top down approach with all the resources at the top of the game the grassroots will continue to suffer but if I’m honest I don’t think it will ever change.
of course, it will not change . its the same in all sports just look at soccer
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35 minutes ago, The Future is League said:
If all Super League clubs had academies and clubs with ambitions to play in Super League had academies there wouldn't be a big problem, if there is one at all
indeed but lets face it half of them cant afford it
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39 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:
I'm not sure who writes most of the articles on the BBC website. I know Dave Woods does some. I assume Tanya Arnold only does presenting.
more than likely its done by AI
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how many of them in Wakefield instead go to elland road and watch leeds utd or indeed play cricket on a sunday