Eddie
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I wonder if excluding Toronto and overlooking Toulouse in favour of Leigh is part of the SL rebrand too, if they’re trying to make the game seem more insular they couldn’t have done a better job.
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11 minutes ago, welshmagpie said:To be honest mate, I was more basing it on what’s there already.
The North East is well established
DMV can grow off of Delaware, NOVA and a few defunct clubs like DC.
Midwest has Cleveland and Chicago.
West has the Cali bunch.
Florida is the strongest state for RL.
The southern states have Atlanta and talk of 1/2 others popping up.
As a Chiefs fan (long suffering btw, not bandwagon jumper) I’m waiting for a Kansas City team, will be all over their merch if it happens
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5 hours ago, Cumbrian Mackem said:I don’t know what would be worse having a Brisbane version of manly as the 17th NRL franchise or not having anything at all?
Brisbane is the second major RL city in the world, there’s no reason for them not to have a second professional club.
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1 hour ago, welshmagpie said:They’ve got this year ticked with South Florida Speed. Florida is becoming a bit of an RL heartland with Axemen, Mayhem, Copperheads, Speed and Renegades all in the state.
I’ve said on a previous thread
6 Team Florida
6 Team SC, GA, AL
6 Team Midwest
6 Team DMV
6 Team North East
6 Team West Coast
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That’d be a healthy scenario for USARL in 10-15 years
You don’t need that massive geographic spread in such a huge country imho. Maybe better to focus on one area and grow the game there, it’s not like RL is spread across the country in England, Australia or France.
When I say focus btw, I appreciate that there’s no IRL strategy and it’s entirely up to local enthusiasts to set up clubs.
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2 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:It is all grist to the mill, and I did allude to the 'wrecking ball', but i am not in the pay of the press or club chairmen, so I think I'm allowed to be a bit dubious. But I do wish the bloke well I'm not doing him down, and maybe Leeds see him as a project.
But let's be honest, if he chose to stay at home and not stay in Aussie, why is he now going all the way over to Leeds?
Some are calling him a prop but I read he is a second row. And didn't he start as a Wing?
They weren’t allowed to see their family in Australia, he can presumably bring his family to England.
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32 minutes ago, EssexRL said:Have to say that's a better geographical spread than we manage in the UK
Interesting to see there's enough interest for a team on Mallorca.
There must be loads of northern expats in Majorca. Imagine the away followings if they got into SL
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21 minutes ago, EssexRL said:Have to say that's a better geographical spread than we manage in the UK
Interesting to see there's enough interest for a team on Mallorca.
Why do you need a big national spread? There isn’t one in England, Australia or France.
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So a few sly and negative comments to greet the new team, nice.
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2 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:Guilty by association.
What a disgraceful thing to say.
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9 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said:Google John Terry on his own then. There’s enough rubbish there to not go near him with a barge pole before you get into the rabbit hole of his family.
I know there is. I was merely pointing out that his family’s crimes aren’t his and he shouldn’t be tarred with them if he wasn’t involved.
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7 hours ago, Hela Wigmen said:I suggest a quick Goggle search of him, his parents and his brother Paul, then. Nothing slanderous there at all.
His parents and brother have nowt to do with it.
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2 hours ago, Damien said:Will he help lift the trophy if England win?
Dressed in the full kit.
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16 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:As I’ve said in the previous post Eddie, the key is TO’s inclusion in SL and the Derbies. These wouldn’t be a one-off (ala your Man U example). I think we could also see regular pre season friendlies between the two sides.
Well let’s see, I hope you’re all right.
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1 hour ago, Leyther_Matt said:Based on my half dozen visits to Toulouse, I'd say it's very much a rugby (union) city. Stade stuff is EVERYWHERE and the football team barely gets a look in.
Does anyone know if the proposed expansion of Stade Ernest-Wallon ever happened?
Toulouse football team average around 16-17k, the rugby team 18k - there’s very little in it.
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57 minutes ago, Dave T said:So again, you did just ignore the actual evidence provided of big crowds in Toulouse.
And if you were starting up a new club in England you absolutely would start to look for comparable examples - those examples would probably be Gateshead, London and Crusaders, so not exactly compelling. If you have evidence that something works, then it is entirely fair to use that as the basis of your forecast.
The odd big crowd for a special occasion is no guide to average attendances. Much like a lower league getting 10,000 in because they draw Man Utd at home in the cup doesn’t mean all those people will go back to watch them play Shrewsbury the following week. You need to look at long term averages, and Toulouse’s are currently poor. I hope they grow though, would be great to have two French clubs in SL.
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1 hour ago, Damien said:There aren't any really comparable English clubs though are there? I cant think of any clubs in the lower tiers that are playing in a big city, have huge corporate and council support and are playing in a great 20k stadium. Added to that they have a latent Rugby League and general Rugby culture. Surely you can see that the potential upside is far more than just a run of the mill heartland town?
I can see the difference yes, though in that case why are their crowds so small now? Are there really thousands who have no interest now but will flock to watch them play Wakey or Cas?
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41 minutes ago, Dave T said:This discussion has been had many times on here, and you just ignore what people say on it and keep saying they will get low crowds. So let me challenge you on what your evidence is that they will only get 3k?
Because other people offer up the closest comparison you will get (Catalans) averaging 8k+, in the last 25 years Toulouse has held 7 or so 'event' matches averaging 9.2k with one of the biggest being for a Catalans game there. Toulouse have topped 3k a few times in the UK lower divisions also.
Keep comparing to the likes of Oldham, Salford and Sheffield is a nonsense - what Toulouse in SL does is bring something brand new for sports fans in the region who like top quality sport. Toulouse RL has a history in the lower standard French leagues or the lower tiers of the UK pyramid, and get crowds accordingly. Top flight RL in France clearly has a market, there is no reason to suggest Toulouse would struggle on 3k crowds.
Who knows whether it would be 7k, or even higher, but I think it would be very hard to make a credible case that they would only average 3k.
All good points, and we can agree to differ, but again all your points are just speculation the same as mine. I don’t see how anyone can say TO’s crowds will be X because Catalans are, when you would never do that with English clubs. Perpignan is more of a rugby town (ie no football to compete with) than Toulouse is for a start. I really wish TO well and would love to see them in SL bringing on lots of new support, I’ll just believe it when I see it.
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29 minutes ago, PECETTO said:They average around 3k , and over 5k twice and over 6k once for big matchs in championship . Since they move To ernest wallon stadium they allready average one more k in the beginning of last season. In SL they will esealy average 6k the first season.
They’ve only played a handful of games at the new stadium, not enough time to establish a trend, and did they really average 3k at the old one?
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4 hours ago, yipyee said:All this talk of attendance has made me point out that attendance figures alone are not relative to income
It certainly is a kpi but this needs to be broken down to how much a ticket, how many corporate hospitality, boxes etc..
Most football clubs (including club wembley) see the fans worth attracting are the prawn sandwich brigade
Also one good sponsor can offset 1000 fans..
Absolutely true, though I like to see fans in the stands more than a decent balance sheet.
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3 hours ago, Oldbear said:Like most clubs, a lot is going to depend how they go, be competitive in games and win a few then the chances of 7K are good, get battered every week and the gates will no doubt suffer, they will need to attract and keep a lot of new fans to get to 7K as there’s not really that much of a current core, you can’t do that if every game is a foregone conclusion before a ball is kicked.
Why are the chances of getting to 7k good? They get around 1k home fans at the moment. Would you say Oldham or Sheffield Eagles chances of getting 7k were good if they went up and started the season well too? The jump from what they get now to 7k is enormous.
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2 minutes ago, audois said:Bernard Sarrazaine's company appears to be worth some euros
I’m sorry that’s not a proper RL sponsor, couldn’t they get Holland’s Pies or Mr Brain’s?
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8 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:To be fair sky are entitled to a rebate for a shorter season
Not if they show more games from the truncated season. The number of untelevised matches each club has is irrelevant.
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1 minute ago, Manfred Mann said:Based on the massive crowd increase that Catalans was able to achieve after joining Super League, I would think that projections of crowds of 7'000 by Toulouse are not overly optimistic.
That is the only rationale I’ve seen. It’s like saying if Salford got as good as Warrington they’d get 11,000 attendances, just not true.
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54 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:They need to start getting crowds and hopefully this will help
That’s the one thing for me, I don’t buy the idea (that I’ve often read on this forum) that they’ll immediately average 7,000 if they get into SL. I’d expect it to be closer to 3,000 at the start.
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I doubt ticket sales figures can reasonably be compared with prior years to try to gauge fan interest.