sweaty craiq
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36 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:
relegation will have to happen otherwise you will have a 13 team super league
Keep chucking you will get one right at some point - 2 up and no relegation is 14 teams, unequal funding will make it tough for Fev especially without a benefactor. I expect Leigh and TO to spend big, I expect Salford and Wakey to be desperate for every penny - 4 of those 5 will not be in the 10 for 2023
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1 hour ago, Davo5 said:
Maybe not but the ones they do have are pretty handy,you’d love them at Leigh.
Not SL standard though, honest and the best in the championship but not up to SL anymore. They will need a complete pack.
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1 minute ago, lucky 7 said:
I must have missed the annoucment of a 14 team super league next season. Can you give me the link
www.sky.com/superleague/restructure
Have TO a forward under 30!!!
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3 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:
Tomkins playing in Championship next year is about his level at his age
14 Clubs will mean others destined for the Championship will be in SL also. Fev and TO are fekked
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14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Can we have Tommy Makinson to please.
Can we have Tommy Makinson BACK please, that should be Harry.
That half who was rumoured to be going to Salford will do well for us
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Had it on very good authority that we have 14 players available to select from as of yesterday. Each will draw a position from a hat and the 3 other bench spots will not even warm up
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Leigh have a young pack so far for 2022 SL Tomkins will be the experience needed to get the right mix.
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In general if you go down the VC direction they want at least 51% of the business so they control exit.
what’s difficult is how to value SL, and what was crazy was the deal put forward last time which almost guaranteed their money back in a relative short time
if someone offered 100m for 20% then it’s worth a serious look
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My penny says Croft joins the revolution at LSV
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What is factual is that Sky have us by the danglies and have given us a two year stay of execution to improve the product/perception
imo it starts with camera work, atmosphere mic’s and commentators on Sky
it moves onto referees players and coaches to encourage the spectacle and stop the professional stuff
it moves onto clubs to sell out games and bring in the £ needed from sponsors etc
2022 is the transition year and Leigh/Fev/TO will get less funding than others and below SL will get scraps
2023 we must have our best 10 clubs filling grounds and creating a great spectacle for Sky
2023 we must have a Ft second tier creating pressure on the elite by being a viable replacement through P&R
get rid of the cap as it stops wealthy individuals getting involved, individuals who will throw in millions for success, a mindset most RL fans do not understand
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3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:
The luck of having a benevolent council shouldn't be the determining factor in an RL club's success. That epitomises the total lack of strategy that plagued RL from day dot.
I am sure you will be aware Tommy that LSV didn’t cost the council a penny. Leases and land were traded for development of a college, a clubhouse and pitches, a stadium LSV and a state of the art facility for Leigh harriers - which helped to produce Keely Hodgkinson who won silver in the 800m earlier this week in Japan. The developer got to build a hotel a supermarket and a pub, plus new houses
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3 hours ago, Waynebennettswinger said:
That is sad news at such a young age. Really good winger IMHO. I wish him all the very best with his post playing career and life, I am sure the Wigan club will do all they can to help.
A Leigh sponsor is sorting him a job and he has taken a role on the towns U15/16 academy
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9 minutes ago, wiganermike said:
The RFL tried to reduce the number of Academies recently, it resulted in a lot of complaints from those clubs losing their Academy licence. This was followed by an immediate backtracking of the decision.
For those missing out the return of the reserves may result in some of the 19 yo's deemed not good enough to get a second chance elsewhere
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Very much so when Cas will be getting a 20 point deduction and £200k of Sky money withheld
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5 minutes ago, cookey said:
The game is in the last chance saloon but even now I dont believe some of the clownswho run the clubs really believe it. Last chance to smell the coffee.
If you dont add anything to Super League,other than existing,go. - all clubs could add something at sometime
If you have pathetic inadequate facilities,go. - agree
If you cant fill a quarter of your ground,go. - agree
If your revenue is based on 15 match day games,go. - agree
If geographically,you are next door to another club,go. - that wont leave many so who stays between Wigan/Saints and Wire?
Frankly,that doesn't leave many but at least give someone elsea chance because the above clubs have failed. - have they?
Last chance,forget tradition,make the changes or say good bye to professional RL and to Sky and no one elsewill come in to save you,other than paying a few quid here and there. - tradition doesnt pay bills but neither does ignoring tradition. The solution is Min salary spends not caps, backed up with any losses must be met that same year, not DR's
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Fact based - that is open to discussion.
When asking the question '' what do we need to do in order to become the best we can be?'' the same answers will come up.
1. Generate more income into the game
2. Increase player pool
3. Create a regular international programme (again)
4. Support and develop the game in schools/Universities
Without 1 the rest dont happen!!
We need high quality and competitive Elite fixtures played in front of full houses with significant away support - why? Atmosphere and away support go hand in hand - they become part of the match day experience we must make better to get more fans through turnstyles and make the TV audience feel part of a great exciting event - the ooh's and aah's make a huge difference on TV.
We need to create a pathway for ambitious clubs to grow into and from, SL2 will be a highly competitive league that fans would look forward to and clubs can consolidate and grow from - from playing at Headingley in front of 15000 to playing at Swinton in front of 300 is a huge gap
We must build France as a real international force - I would have Cats, TO plus more in the 20. A 5/6 Nations with a strong France every Autumn would be a great event.
Playing numbers start at schools and even in the heartlands the game isnt played these days - we start with the low hanging fruit and work out. A realistic goal could be 100 development officers tasked with growing school number by 1m. Elite clubs should be supporting Universities with coaches, dieticians etc working with the development officers to raise RL's profile in this vital sector - they will be holding tomorrows advertising/sponsorship budgets
Roll on 2 x 10 at long last
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1 hour ago, David Dockhouse Host said:
Do you have evidence that the broadcaster has told RL that the ref standards are diabolical?
If you think their are humans who can ref a game without making an error then I believe you will be saying the about refs next year, the year after and so on for ever.
Refs control the spectacle and all too often the outcome these days, mistakes will always be made and no one should say one mistake killed the spectacle because it won’t. Allowing head holds in the grapple, slowing down the PTB unevenly, policing the 10 unevenly, trying to be profile players best mates instead of only allowing the captain to talk etc are the ownership they must take. It’s little wonder we lost Fitzpatrick and the Wigan brothers prematurely replacing them with the Smiths, Mikalauskis etc of the world
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1 hour ago, Man of Kent said:
True and that's because the reality is 12 clubs is too many for a 'Super' Super League, let alone 14.
The number, whatever it is, should be based upon ability to fund a squad capable of competing and enhancing the product to the broadcaster
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Why are so many RL fans so blind? RL has been told by its broadcaster it’s no longer the product it once was, it’s boring. They have been told referee standards are diabolical and are impacting on the spectacle. Fans are disengaging with the sport and once electric atmospheres are now dead.
Clubs will be told to fill grounds for TV, get as much away support in as possible to ignite atmosphere and to maximise ST sales
Referees will be told they are not the reason fans pay to watch a game, reminded about consistency and if need be we will ship a new bunch in from Australia. Compare our current rosta of refs with 15 years ago, the Mikalauskis of the world shouldn’t be helping to deliver multi million pound contracts to the sport, you can see players don’t respect them and they in turn can’t control games evenly
We have a salary cap that allows teams to spend £5m and others £1.2
We have a lot of work to do close season but it essential we stop levelling out at the lowest point
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4 hours ago, Patx71 said:
Most Championship sides would have beaten Leigh yesterday. They didn't look interested.
That post sums it up. A few have signed elsewhere the rest haven’t been offered contracts, and don’t seem interested in winning one. We have little pace and all 3 we’re missing plus Reynolds at 6 who can at least defend unlike Ellis. It seems we are building for next year with Stone to arrive soon, Logan here today and McDonald? already here.
as fans when you know you won’t win the quality match up, you expect graft and that wasn’t there at all
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Sky backed the middle 8 concept, it was the T8 that failed, and the Million pound game became a BIG event - they backed it with an improved deal. Maybe Sky like the look of a better quality Elite and a season long scrap to avoid relegation or win promotion - maybe they have told the RFL that they will back it commercially?
Around 2011/2 the central funding outside SL was about £60k. Make that £100k from 2022 and you have £23m to fund 14 clubs at £1.7m, 2023 and Tier 3 gets £100k T1 retains the £1.7m and T2 get about £800k to run a competitive FT club - there must be a min salary spend of say £1.5m otherwise the concept fails, this forces clubs to sell themselves commercially and through the gate.
The gap between the bottom of T1 and the top of T2 will become very easy to breach - thats why 2 x10 has been the right way for 20 years
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It’s not watering down is Darwin’s approach to survival, IF this is implemented ASAP the clubs with cash will stack their squads with the best they can find and build from there, with luck this could see the salary cap raised massively in SL1 forcing clubs to secure income to compete and taking the game forward
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8 hours ago, Padge said:
It's what Leythers are as thick as.
To the tune of the Addams family
They’re Ugly and They’re Smelly
They come from Scholes and Whelley
They’ll rob their neighbours telly
The Wigan family da da da dah etc
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On 28/07/2021 at 09:22, Leyther_Matt said:
How can a club refuse to play a game that does not and never has existed? I'm amazed you've been taken in by the paper talk and Hull KR's rhetoric.
Zero games have been rearranged at short notice in the UK since the return of fans. Zero. With good reason. Then ask yourself was the question ever even asked, and indeed why Hull KR seem very keen to play away games at short notice, but no suggestion of committing commercial suicide and playing home games at a few days notice?
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They aren’t, Sky would want LSV in super league due to facilities to broadcast from and atmosphere.
they also want characters and Derek is certainly one of those as his the new multi millionaire new guy. They want Leigh to do a Leicester which without salary restrictions may well be possible before 2025.
Listening to a cow bell in an empty stadium is not what Sky want, no matter how brilliant for the game Ken Davy is