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sweaty craiq

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  1. 3 hours ago, lucky 7 said:

    I think SKY are embarrassed by the inclusion of Leigh into super league and it's made super league look a poor competition. Leigh should have never been gifted a super league place as clearly they were not ready to go to the next level on and off the pitch

    They aren’t, Sky would want LSV in super league due to facilities to broadcast from and atmosphere.

    they also want characters and Derek is certainly one of those as his the new multi millionaire new guy. They want Leigh to do a Leicester which without salary restrictions may well be possible before 2025.

    Listening to a cow bell in an empty stadium is not what Sky want, no matter how brilliant for the game  Ken Davy is

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  2. 36 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

    relegation will have to happen otherwise you will have a 13 team super league

    Keep chucking you will get one right at some point - 2 up and no relegation is 14 teams, unequal funding will make it tough for Fev especially without a benefactor. I expect Leigh and TO to spend big, I expect Salford and Wakey to be desperate for every penny - 4 of those 5 will not be in the 10 for 2023

  3. What is factual is that Sky have us by the danglies and have given us a two year stay of execution to improve the product/perception

    imo it starts with camera work, atmosphere mic’s  and commentators on Sky

    it moves onto referees players and coaches to encourage the spectacle and stop the professional stuff

    it moves onto clubs to sell out games and bring in the £ needed from sponsors etc

    2022 is the transition year and Leigh/Fev/TO will get less funding than others and below SL will get scraps

    2023 we must have our best 10 clubs filling grounds and creating a great spectacle for Sky

    2023 we must have a Ft second tier creating pressure on the elite by being a viable replacement through P&R

    get rid of the cap as it stops wealthy individuals getting involved, individuals who will throw in millions for success, a mindset most RL fans do not understand

     

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  4. 3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

    The luck of having a benevolent council shouldn't be the determining factor in an RL club's success. That epitomises the total lack of strategy that plagued RL from day dot. 

    I am sure you will be aware Tommy that LSV didn’t cost the council a penny. Leases and land were traded for development of a college, a clubhouse and pitches, a stadium LSV and a state of the art facility for Leigh harriers - which helped to produce Keely Hodgkinson who won silver in the 800m earlier this week in Japan. The developer got to build a hotel a supermarket and a pub, plus new houses

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  5. 9 minutes ago, wiganermike said:

    The RFL tried to reduce the number of Academies recently, it resulted in a lot of complaints from those clubs losing their Academy licence. This was followed by an immediate backtracking of the decision.

    For those missing out the return of the reserves may result in some of the 19 yo's deemed not good enough to get a second chance elsewhere

  6. 5 minutes ago, cookey said:

    The game is in the last chance saloon but even now I dont believe some of the clownswho run the clubs really believe it. Last chance to smell the coffee.

    If you dont add anything to Super League,other than existing,go. - all clubs could add something at sometime

    If you have pathetic inadequate facilities,go. - agree

    If you cant fill a quarter of your ground,go. - agree

    If your revenue is based on 15 match day games,go. - agree

    If geographically,you are next door to another club,go. - that wont leave many so who stays between Wigan/Saints and Wire?

    Frankly,that doesn't leave many but at least give someone elsea chance because the above clubs have failed. - have they?

    Last chance,forget tradition,make the changes or say good bye to professional RL and to Sky and no one elsewill come in to save you,other than paying a few quid here and there. - tradition doesnt pay bills but neither does ignoring tradition. The solution is Min salary spends not caps, backed up with any losses must be met that same year, not DR's

     

  7. Fact based - that is open to discussion.

    When asking the question '' what do we need to do in order to become the best we can be?'' the same answers will come up.

    1. Generate more income into the game 

    2. Increase player pool

    3. Create a regular international programme (again)

    4. Support and develop the game in schools/Universities

     

    Without 1 the rest dont happen!!

    We need high quality and competitive Elite fixtures played in front of full houses with significant away support - why? Atmosphere and away support go hand in hand - they become part of the match day experience we must make better to get more fans through turnstyles and make the TV audience feel part of a great exciting event - the ooh's and aah's make a huge difference on TV.

    We need to create a pathway for ambitious clubs to grow into and from, SL2 will be a highly competitive league that fans would look forward to and clubs can consolidate and grow from - from playing at Headingley in front of 15000 to playing at Swinton in front of 300 is a huge gap

    We must build France as a real international force - I would have Cats, TO plus more in the 20. A 5/6 Nations with a strong France every Autumn would be a great event.

    Playing numbers start at schools and even in the heartlands the game isnt played these days - we start with the low hanging fruit and work out. A realistic goal could be 100 development officers tasked with growing school number by 1m. Elite clubs should be supporting Universities with coaches, dieticians etc working with the development officers to raise RL's profile in this vital sector - they will be holding  tomorrows advertising/sponsorship budgets

    Roll on 2 x 10 at long last

  8. 1 hour ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

    Do you have evidence that the broadcaster has told RL that the ref standards are diabolical? 

    If you think their are humans who can ref a game without making an error then I believe you will be saying the about refs next year, the year after and so on for ever.

    Refs control the spectacle and all too often the outcome these days, mistakes will always be made and no one should say one mistake killed the spectacle because it won’t. Allowing head holds in the grapple, slowing down the PTB unevenly, policing the 10 unevenly, trying to be profile players best mates instead of only allowing the captain to talk etc are the ownership they must take. It’s little wonder we lost Fitzpatrick and the Wigan brothers prematurely replacing them with the Smiths, Mikalauskis etc of the world

  9. Why are so many RL fans so blind? RL has been told by its broadcaster it’s no longer the product it once was, it’s boring. They have been told referee standards are diabolical and are impacting on the spectacle. Fans are disengaging with the sport and once electric atmospheres are now dead.

    Clubs will be told to fill grounds for TV, get as much away support in as possible to ignite atmosphere and to maximise ST sales

    Referees will be told they are not the reason fans pay to watch a game, reminded about consistency and if need be we will ship a new bunch in from Australia. Compare our current rosta of refs with 15 years ago, the Mikalauskis of the world shouldn’t be helping to deliver multi million pound contracts to the sport, you can see players don’t respect them and they in turn can’t control games evenly

    We have a salary cap that allows teams to spend £5m and others £1.2

    We have a lot of work to do close season but it essential we stop levelling out at the lowest point

     

     

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  10. 4 hours ago, Patx71 said:

    Most Championship sides would have beaten Leigh yesterday. They didn't look interested. 

     

    That post sums it up. A few have signed elsewhere the rest haven’t been offered contracts, and don’t seem interested in winning one. We have little pace and all 3 we’re missing  plus Reynolds at 6 who can at least defend unlike Ellis. It seems we are building for next year with Stone to arrive soon, Logan here today  and McDonald? already here.

    as fans when you know you won’t win the quality match up, you expect graft and that wasn’t there at all

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  11. Sky backed the middle 8 concept, it was the T8 that failed, and the Million pound game became a BIG event - they backed it with an improved deal. Maybe Sky like the look of a better quality Elite and a season long scrap to avoid relegation or win promotion - maybe they have told the RFL that they will back it commercially?

    Around 2011/2 the central funding outside SL was about £60k. Make that £100k from 2022 and you have £23m to fund 14 clubs at £1.7m, 2023 and Tier 3 gets £100k T1 retains the £1.7m and T2 get about £800k to run a competitive FT club - there must be a min salary spend of say £1.5m otherwise the concept fails, this forces clubs to sell themselves commercially and through the gate.

    The gap between the bottom of T1 and the top of T2 will become very easy to breach - thats why 2 x10 has been the right way for 20 years

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  12. On 28/07/2021 at 09:22, Leyther_Matt said:

    How can a club refuse to play a game that does not and never has existed? I'm amazed you've been taken in by the paper talk and Hull KR's rhetoric.

    Zero games have been rearranged at short notice in the UK since the return of fans. Zero. With good reason. Then ask yourself was the question ever even asked, and indeed why Hull KR seem very keen to play away games at short notice, but no suggestion of committing commercial suicide and playing home games at a few days notice?

    SKS never lets you down

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