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idrewthehaggis
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1 hour ago, Oxford said:
TBH I can't believe it's anything but anger that makes you post this stuff but those two things are not mutually exclusive even if I was to answer you. And I've no idea why, if you're so cross with SRD, why you'd need to be so belligerent when it's clear that the club is about to go down or out of business. This doesn't strike me as anything but a win win for you as you've made such a point of stating how terrible they are and just how much they deserve it. You couldn't have scripted it better if you were writing it yourself.
When we went to Newcastle for Magic Weekend, virtually everyone we met from the RL family, wanted to pass their sympathies.
Most were correct in seeing Solly's demise brought on by the shocking incompetence of Kingonomics and the following on Consortium rabble.
Most spoke how everyone from supporters,sponsors, other clubs,the local council, the RFL and so on had been kept in the dark.
Some of us though, struggle to be kind, considerate or even adult. A life lounged in hate, might be wonderful for the likes of Donald, Nigel and various sour misfits on forums, but it is not a life worth living.
Soon SRD will be gone. Maybe for a few that demise will bring warmth to their malice. There is always one.
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On 18/04/2025 at 20:00, Celtic Roosters said:
I've not checked it mate but I stand corrected if your right. I was just going off memory. Didn't seem that far back. I've thought about if I would return, because my problem was always with Super Greed, not Salford RLFC. I'm not sure to be honest. I prefer watching non league football these days, only because I get to visit places I wouldn't with RL. I was at Tamworth today. The other thing is - I don't go to football or Rugby League grounds unless they sell a printed programme!
Gosh I forgot your wont for programmes. Fair dos fella. FC United do electronic versions as well. Does that count in the Roosterverse?
Ah well, as someone most likely to frequent the lower reaches, what should us Salfordians expect in League One?
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2 hours ago, Celtic Roosters said:
30 years? I can go back further than that. They complain now - should have been there in 1984 when we were lucky to get a draw at Runcorn. The top 4 were promoted from division 2 and Salford finished 5th. Funnily enough, I don't remember fans complaining much back then. Salford were our team through thick and thin and we just supported them wherever they played even to Bridgend and Southend back then! Hope there is a happy ending to all this but it's not looking good. You are right about the last straw for many though. As soon as my 3 kids were born I started buying them season tickets for Salford and did so until they were old enough to buy their own. My Daughter gave up at 15 to watch Manchester United, my oldest Son gave up about 5 years ago because he had enough of all the drama and my youngest Son gave up, aged 36, season before last because he just got fed up of all the "bull" from the club!
Rooster that was 81-2 you know when Solly came 5th. I know as it was my first season. I'd say it mattered less then as being in the second tier didn't seem as harsh as it is now. I mean four up, four down. Imagine that now!!
Given the seemingly inevitable descent to the lower reaches of professional RL for Salford, will you return if they are out of "super greed?"
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1 hour ago, Mr Plow said:
Odsal is the main thing holding Bradford back. Leigh have been brilliant since theyre promotion but Bradford has the potential of thousands of more fans, an academy that has produced world class players and a well known name in rugby league
There are better preserved 2000 year old Roman amphitheatres along the Med than Odsal.
And as for support, half the city are barely affected by RL, and seemingly half the other 50 pct would riot if that disinterested dynamic of the city turned up.
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Manchester Centenarians?1/
Leigh's connection to "Manchester" is merely geographical.
Sort of how Tijuana is two hours from Orange county. There but not there.
Its most famous son - Pete Shelley- could not get out quick enough from a place that its fair to say he wouldnt (cough) have flourished in.
Call what you want, but you ain't us and I doubt you can't, don't want to be us.
I can, though see Swinton buying out a crippled Salford.
Swinton and Salford/Salford and Swinton. SaS! erm.
The Devil Lions. Erm erm.
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As a Salford supporter, I have purposely avoided this forum and particularly this thread, Way too much bile and anger, as well as too much awkward, dismal truths. Really do I want to be arguing with parochial UKIPer types from small towns who have obscure dislike of anything vaguely Manc/Solly.
Its all a feckin' shambles.
RFL- Well no shock there.
RL media - bar Gary Carter, no better than fanzine writers or client journalists.
The RL "family" - well even less surprise there neither about the vile.
Every sports fan, knows its a trinity of separate parts. The supporters, players/staff and owners/administrators.
As a club, those in charge have badly let us fans down. Not the fans, not the players.The previous leadership seems to secretly and ridiculously indebted the club so much that it places SRD's future in jeopardy.
It seems a community orientated entity, backed by supporters cash through shares was seemingly a ruse to pay off unknown unfeasible debt and possibly pay directors wages in my opinion.
A lack of transparency seems to have hide the crisis. Supporters and maybe the RFL unwittingly unable to respond.
The apparent new owners seemed to have offered very little so far. We await cake tomorrow, whilst we are today served missed wages, residing in special measures and either pishing off or departing players.
Tell me otherwise, but this feels to me like asset stripping, reducing costs and possible administration to dodge debt in order to build a cheap championship club, whilst the stadium's numerous new revenue streams are used by Swiss Toni to pay off any debts. Keep the club on the cheap, sell out it all in five years for a massive profit, having never contributed a penny.
It of course did not have to go this way. Its that stadium.The correction of the bad deal of moving to Barton. The numerous revenue streams - jumbo tron, naming rights, advertising, rent and hire, food and drink, hospitality, events, car parking, Sale's rent et al would more than raise the million needed each season to be a SL club.
And lets not count what would have come if this was truly a FC United/Wimbledon style community entity, plus the support Salford City council offers.
Currently its dismal. In the greater scheme, family, friends, health and well being, Ukraine, the middle East, Trump, Rachelonomics, are far more important, but it still hurts.
IMO, a regional sport where the game hasn't a top tier club in its biggest conurbation and most significant financial. cultural centre is driving towards obscurity.
Hope dies last. But just maybe, Swiss Toni will rock up this month with the magic money tree of Boggart Hole and a couple of Jackson Hastings. Maybe. Happy to be wrong.
Lets see......
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1 hour ago, JohnM said:
12 years long term enough for you?
https://www.superleague.co.uk/article/3094/reimagining-rugby-league-–-img-present-recommendations
Yup a 12 year plan. Not even Stalin was that ambitious.
The IMG/RFL aspirations are/were-
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QuoteA re-positioned calendar which optimises flow, narrative and engagement, incorporating regular 'peaks' of interest and a compelling season climax.
A calendar aligned with the global game to facilitate an international window in October and incorporate a mid-season international.
Participation in the top tier to be based on a range of on and off field measures, delivered through a club grading system with the aim of supporting financial sustainability and encouraging investment into clubs. 'Category A' clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst 'Category B' clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier.
Promotion and relegation will continue on the field of play between the second and third tiers with tier two increasingly filled with strong Category B Clubs.An expansion strategy to be developed that targets and supports the growth of the Women's and Girls' game, and also growth in new markets.
Participation of clubs outside of the UK to be capped and with additional standards to support domestic growth.
Operations to be centralised where this can maximise efficiencies and drive incremental revenue (e.g. ticketing and digital infrastructure).
A new brand strategy to be introduced and aligned with the above commercial strategy.I wasnt going to dwell here until the season starts. And I was keenly avoiding that "Salford in trouble" thread, as it is inhabited by the usual; fun friendly RL family types.
However any whiff of idle speculation appeals to me. So hello and happy new year comrades.
Sorry lad, but cant say I can endorse much of what the OP has posted. Good ideas nevertheless.
I was all for the IMG vision, until I discovered a "A" had been given to a certain club with a rancid ground and scored points by imaging and then unimagining some clearly imaginary monies. Thats bollix.
As for trusting RFL leadership. Sadly I dont have much confidence. Shame as if anything, that is exactly what is needed. A dynamic, progressive central authority to push through the changes needed.
Yup more centralisation of tasks-ticketing, publicity, academies and even merchandising. Greater scale equates to (hopefully erm) more edge and at least a consolidation/reduction of costs.
Clearly we need senior city clubs-London, Leeds, Hull, Manchester/Salford and Newcastle. Then the "heartland" clubs, Wigan, Cas, etc.
Collective funding to address individual issues-Salford crowds, Cas-facilities and toilets,
And lets flush those flat caps who want an exclusive Yorkshire league with Wigan and Saints added on as a second thought.
Make SL what it is a proper European competition. A real Franco-English concern, not the M62 plus a token French club.
Roll on the season please.
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Disappointed, but hey ho such is life, such is sport. Thankfully many many other distractions when you live in the Big Shock City than RL. Its Christmas soon.
Loads of gamesmanship, a useful idiot with a whistle, some mysterious, if not odd team tactics by the Reds, prop pack that works and a freak marvel called Ipape and Leigh grunted to a victory. Well done. See you all next year.
But Change is coming down Salford way. Our ever welcoming "RL Family" gleefully condemned Solly last Winter. Bleasy topping up his pension, Croft off to conquer all, Rowley parachuting into the next crisis club with mounting debts.
All I now sense is exasperation, if not muted fury from various embarrassing uncles of the "RL family."
Disappointed, but let me boils their with reality.
Finished 4th.
Stadium deal done
Fan ownership ongoing.
New revenue steams opening
Academy starting
MacDonald and Sneyd in dream team.
Marc E winner of the Goldthorpe. probably Man of Steel as well.
Biggest home crowd in a lifetime, average 5,100 over the 14 games
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Full support of GMA, Salford councils, if not the Government.
Inevitable 15 plus points for IMG.
All good, all Salford.
Now we are out, mine and plenty of Reds move on and watch afar at what Big club from a small town succeeds. Maybe the IMG results might merit some scrutiny.
Best of luck everyone.
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Any idea of who gets what then Coggo et al?
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This initially sounds great, until you realize its for early February, so yeah its multiple layers of the hardiest insulating clothing, as yer man uncomfortably stands on an open terrace, showered by horizontal Yorkshire ice rain.
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On 24/06/2024 at 15:29, Billy King's Boots said:
Thinking way back to the late 70s/early 80s, there was a Sunday teatime programme on Radio Manchester called Rugby League Round-up with a guy called (I think) Ron Marler.
Anyone remember it? And does anyone know what the brass-band theme music was. Been humming it for days!Billy I barely remember, but do remember that program. It was my first entry into RL. Terns like that was a "hospital pass," bemused and treated me.
Aside from listening to the recently deceased Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh poetically describing the GAA, Sunday was a barren sporting environment.
No idea what the music was. Personally I would write or email the sports dept at BBC Radio Manchester.
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Undoubtedly pleasing win, not just as it was over the seemingly emerging "derby" opponents (well not really but it will do) but mainly after that shellacking at KR last week.
It was charistically Sollyesque" was it not. Lots of of the "New Entertainers," and free flowing ball in hand, but the usual defensive liabilities and cardiac inducing jeopardy by the Mighty Reds.
First Vela is a good referee. Strengthens mine and others thoughts for our and NRL refs to have work placements on the opposite side of the world.
Second Solly crowds are already 5% up from last season, despite playing at some odd times.
Third it appears the Stadium deal is done, details to follow, most likely at the Club's AGM in May.
As for the Chinese, I presume they are the people behind some major skyscraper development in nearby Eccles. It is said half the deals in Ireland are said in the hospitality suits at Croke Park, so good to see City Mayor Paul Dennant accompany the new investors at the game.
This is the City. This is Salford. All are welcome.
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Absolutely nothing wrong for local authorities to loan money out to boost a business and also reap the interest off such investments.
For further reading, it all can be seen here. www.local.gov.uk/parliament/briefings-and-responses/local-authorities-borrowing-and-investment-bill-house-commons-23
I know some live in a "post truth society" and I guess we all can smell the advocates of the rancid fading neocon/populist project that detests any public subsidy (unless of course its in their neighbourhood/golf club or private school.)
Aside from what Salford City council are doing for their local club, its a precedence, it's legal and its successful for all.There is this-
The £12m each from Wakefield MBC to their three professional RL clubs for stadium improvement.
The wholly Council funded, owned and run York community stadium is home to the Knights.
Huddersfield Giants' play at the John Smith stadium was partly financed, built and run by Kirklees council.
Likewise Wigan MBC fully or partly paid and still run the Robins Park and LSV, where Wigan and Leigh play respectively.
Leeds were able to upgrade Headingley through a commercial loan, guaranteed by their City council.
KR's Craven Park was rebuilt in partnership with the City council via the Kingston community development and now have an running partnership with Hull college.
FC were helped by the council in developing and supporting them at the MKM stadium.
Bradford wanted "Levelling Up" funds to renovate Odsal.
And finally it is given that local authorities support their sports clubs in Toulouse and Catalan.
Whilst I can't as yet see any evidence local government support came for Warrington or St Helens, I am sure that the new roads around them weren't funded or are maintained by their owners.
But hey ignore the the facts, kids, mince yer misery, ignite yer ignorance. if you want.And let the rest of us support and enjoy the Game.
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It was clearly set in stone,
As the gloom, the sodden gloom cast over Manchester, we made our way to the ground. Apprehension abound, I switched the radio on, it jumped to Slack City radio and straight up came.
The skies darkened, but the mood was other wise. It seemed right.
KR are a good side Clearly should be in the mix come the autumn, but that Salford performance has certainly warmed me this late winter.
As a side, near was a gang of Germans, who it transpired where on a "Sports wochenende/ Weekend," taking in not just SOlly, but the games at Huddersfield Town and Burnley FC.
At the end, all smiles and I heard the cries of "Ja das was extraordinary! and "Das war gehr gut." Yeah these lads were mightily impressed. So was I.
Anyway enjoy the moment as much challenging tasks in Merseyside await.
Pleased to meet you.
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It may be one of few delights in following Salford, in enjoying a sweet warm sirocco like wind breeze up the erm Ship Canal under a milky gold and pink sky over the nearby sewage "farm" and the motorway bridge.
The alternative is the best dalmart can produce wrapped around us like the pastry of a sausage roll, this time deep in the freezer, whilst the rain descends like frozen fire on a small open west Yorkshire terrace.
So no.
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To pass so young is deeply sad.
Malcolm was a star. Excelling the very qualities you'd desire in a player. A fine recipe of talent, skill, determination, and honesty.
He was central to me returning to RL in the noughties due to his integrity on the field.
Thank you fella for the memories.
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20 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:
Quite happy with these kits.
The design is concise and tidy. Any doubts I had of this being fussy, tacky or over engineered have been put to rest.
It will do fine.
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18 minutes ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:
So Salford get the deal they want (bar takings, car park etc) will they then pay full rent, and if so, doesn't the extra income get cancelled out, therefore leaving them in precisely the same perilous state they are now in?
No. Rent is negotiable. depending on market forces and it's communicant value.
2 minutes ago, Henson Park Old Firm said:I'm still confused.
Ask away or go back and read my responses on here.
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1 hour ago, Click said:
The problem is that the council seem to be getting less and less interested in effectively subsidizing a professional RL team in their city.
This is false and incorrect.
Be patient kids, these things take time.
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8 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:
So that would be a cast iron 100% guarantee that it would be resolved by say mid April?
Sorry Haggis but RFL has a track record of accepting clubs promises in the past, this is a big new shine era we are entering and the slate needs wiping clean to go forward.
Salford need to have this sorted well before the next season starts if the worst does happen and the ground is no longer available to Salford they will need to find alternative accommodation that is acceptable or give the powers that be time to make other arrangements.
Well I can not offer a cast iron declaration given this is politics, in an era of the exceptional and sudden. COVID, Ukraine War, Brexit - in recent years and its capacity to alter or postpone the best laid plans.
But be re-assured that only truly exceptional circumstances will cause SRD not to be playing at the Salford Stadium next year.
Whilst I am less than pleased "Special Measures" have been activated, I am re-assured it seems that people are talking and are devising schemes to get through this situation.
The club is not going burst. How silly. It will be a struggle for Solly until the club's revenue streams are stablized, if not the RFL as well.
If anything, then it might be a learned lesson, to always have a Plan B and not to wholly trust what the RFL suits tell you. And not to expect instant action from bureaucrats and politicians. It works on its own clock. Oh and that buy in a better media team, lads.
Anyway those fixtures. What a bollix up. Nevertheless looking forward to the Big Easter clash.
Always forward.
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Dramatic, but not a drama.
James Gordon - from BBC Radio Merseyside - speaks with great sense in that this is most likely about SRD asking for central funding upfront and the RFL - for once acting to the book and their own protocol.
Given local Tory meddling has unnecessarily delayed the Council acquisition of a useful piece of office space, thus affecting revenue streams for Solly, I am not surprised they have asked for that central funding.
I'd sooner be in this manageable predicament that losing £2.5m per year as some clubs are allegedly are. That and 8 figure sized debts are surely wrong, unsustainable and also akin to financial doping.
So a temporary blip. All resolved in good time early next Spring.
Next story, move on kids.
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On 12/11/2023 at 20:29, LeeF said:
If you enjoy Knots & Crosses then there are just another 23 very readable Rebus novels to follow plus a few short stories.
Yup I know. I had only done the TV shows and thought I'd like to read the books, after getting very drunk at that Oxford pub in Edinburgh a year ago.
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On 29/10/2023 at 18:21, Futtocks said:
Sonic Youth cover Plastic Bertrand.
Rather magnificently.
Cool, seeing Thurston Moore promote his book as part of the Manchester Literacy Festival next week.
Last weekend, got to see Calexico perform, their "Feast of Wire" also in "Town" as they call it here in Shock City.
Twenty years ago, in circumstances I can not recall, I hear them on the radio and bought a copy of it with the extra bonus.CD with "Alone Again" on it from the sadly departed Selectadisc record shop in Nottingham. When I realized I had missed them touring, you can imagine how delighted I was to "re-enact" history.
Much enjoyed, perhaps with the brass live, seen in concert seemed better than on disc.
Pished I was again too slow to get tickets for this weekend's Teenage Fanclub. Ah well.
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On 25/07/2023 at 21:17, OnStrike said:
Yeah agree, lots of great novels by and about Scottish working class life and experience. I picked up a copy of the Grass Arena by David Healy.
A really excellent read. i can see I am going to enjoy this part of the forum,
Now any recommendations?
My current list of books being read-
1974-David Peace (2nd time)
Knots and Crosses-Ian Rankin
Mayflies-Andrew O'Hagen
Manchester Unspin-Andy Spinoza
The Franco-Prussian War 1970-71-Stephen Bradley
Red Rosa (graphic novel)- Katie Evans
I want to wanna be Yours-John Cooper Clarke
Broken Heartlands-Sebastian Payne
That will do me till Xmas now.
Fri 30th May: SL: Salford Red Devils v Wigan Warriors KO 20:00 (SS+/SL+)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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I know some rascals are attempting a protest of kind before, during or after the game, so I hope you are referring to purely sporting matters.
The truth is that SRD - like one of those wounded zebras, surrounded by ravenous lions in another David Attenborough documentary - offer such easy prey.#
The only shock will be if Wigan struggle.
So looking forward to history perhaps. Can Wigan outdo Saints 82-0 victory?
Yup its grim up here in north Manchester.