M j M
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1 hour ago, crashmon said:
I'm not sure how much they pay for F1.
It's around £200m a year.
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23 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:
What separates a club like St Helens from one like Leeds then? It isn't the wealth of people behind them is it?
Whilst all clubs are different you can usually assemble some broad parallels but Leeds are quite unique in terms of financing and operation.
St Helens wouldn't be in the position they are on and off field without the tens of millions ploughed in by Coleman. The relationship Paul Caddick has to Leeds doesn't involve financial support in that way.
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Every club is unique. Bucketing them together simply by geography and trying to concoct a unifying theory of the case is not going to achieve much.
The most important thing which ultimately separates a club like St Helens from one like Cas is the wealth of the people behind them, something which over multiple decades has led to a vast divergence in the on and off field position of the clubs.
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5 minutes ago, V02 said:
Think the touchie has been dropped for this weekend also?
Interesting.
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How much evidence do you need. There were eight to ten cameras following the action, none of which saw anything to suggest a punch was thrown. The main circumstantial evidence, Lomax bleeding, was proven to be unrelated to the incident.
The weight of evidence that the touch judge made a major error is so overwhelming that it's a bit bizarre to continue framing it as if the official has been stitched up. If this were a try/no try decision we wouldn't get as hung up about overruling refereeing mistakes as you are on this one.
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25 minutes ago, dkw said:
Or the TJ got it right, that's still a possibility.
I don't think anyone involved really thinks that's the case.
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I think you're all getting a bit hung up on the "the footage was inconclusive" line. I just think they are trying to give a public fig leaf to the touchie who made what was a really quite bad mistake.
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1 minute ago, Dunbar said:
Do you understand my concern here?
Not really. If we were dealing with a single camera in the stand that would be one thing. Instead we're talking about multiple camera angles potentially including those of the club's own camera teams (no idea if these are admissible but they should be).
It was very clear on Friday night that McDonnell hadn't thrown a punch, I'm very surprised the MRP didn't sort this before it got to this stage.
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4 minutes ago, Dunbar said:
If justice has been served then I am happy with the outcome.
Justice would have been served had the player not been incorrectly sent off with the potentially material impact it had on the result of the game.
Compounding that travesty with a ban for the non-existent foul play would have been utterly bonkers.
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Leeds are appealing it because McDonnell denied it from the start and still does, there is zero video evidence of anything of the sort happening and the only person who has said it did happen was the touch judge.
The ban was in turn based solely on the touch judge's report.
Given McDonnell was in camera shot throughout it would be mind boggling if the ban wasn't overturned.
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15 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:
Care to tell us what happened in the 5 months when there were no games that saints played in ?
As for grubs, a quick check of the player charges just over the last month I think you'll find that Wakefield have more than any other team (7 charges), Leeds, Saints & Cas have 5 charges, then Catalans with 4.
Grubby Wakefield eh, they really have been a stain on the league over the last month
What St Helens did in the week before the Grand Final last year is worse than any of their on field indiscretions. Of which there have been plenty.
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On 27/05/2023 at 16:06, Sports Prophet said:
Ahhh, as it seems has already been mentioned. It was bouncing. Shame they couldn’t pull off a win for the locals.
Bouncing is kind of what some of the fans were doing.
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The Bullies of that era typically started red hot and blew teams away. Keep them to under a 12 point lead in that opening phase and, as their big forwards started blowing, the game often would come to the opposition. So it was in that game.
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53 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:
Jeeze sledging goes in in a lot of competitive sports, all RL teams have players that do it. They do it to get a reaction and last night Lomax got exactly that. A pat on the head and a few verbals got a reaction of a punch to the head and a deserved red card. People should quit whining, the only idiot out there was the Leeds player who reacted and got himself sent off.
The punch didn't happen and the red card was a huge blunder by the officials.
In general the grubby actions of the St Helens club on and off the field over the past eight months really are a stain on the league.
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1 hour ago, The Masked Poster said:
I remember being at a jam packed McAlpine (as it was then) for an epic Leeds/Bradford semi final in 1999. It was a close game that Leeds won but I seem to remember a bit of controversy?
No controversy. That Bradford team went 10-0 up and then choked, as they often did.
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Where would an FC vs KR neutral venue game be played nowadays?
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4 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:
Leeds led by 3 old journeymen with a load of bland kids deserve nothing - wheres your modern craig innes or even carl gibson? the kid who cant pass wants sacking
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10 hours ago, Madrileño said:
Really?
Not according to the Daily Telegraph from 2 days ago:
It's in a story about them taking full control of the stadium.
Either the Daily Telegraph is telling lies, or you are talking rubbish. One of the two....
It's the Daily Telegraph. This is not a publication to be taken seriously on most things, but least of all politics or rugby union.
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3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:
Watching the SL highlights programme and in particular the Leigh v Leeds game, I must say I didn't notice it live, but thought that seeing the last tackle of the game by Leigh sub Wilde on Harry Newman, especially with the "Myleresque" showboating actions by Newman would result in a ban for Wilde.
Yes it's the person who gets attacked who is at fault.
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Keighley should leave Catalans out of it, it’s just dumb and wrong and plays against the truth of their underlying argument.
But likewise it’s pretty revolting to see fans of clubs who, by luck, have it all (most likely propped up by a rich owner) piling on to Keighley asking what they bring to the sport. As if they have a clue what the Cougars do in their community and have done for the sport in their area. You got lucky, good for you. It doesn’t give you the right to question another club’s right to exist, it doesn’t give you the right to decide that other clubs who didn’t strike the rich backer jackpot should never again have the chance to compete at the top level. Some of the replies to that tweet from Keighley, the deliberate division they stoke between lucky haves and unfortunate have nots, are just pathetic.
This sport’s reality is that it has four to seven large clubs who you would not want to lose from the top flight. But giving them A gradings will probably only serve to entrench their already solid status by giving them even more power in the player retention and recruitment market and seems a good way to make the league even less competitive.
Then there are about 12 clubs below that who would all probably bring similar contributions to the league, albeit in different areas be it crowds, geographical spread, player base etc. Making those clubs fight like rats in a sack to get the remaining SL places through some contrived and convoluted system: what’s the point? Why that rather than just enforcing minimum standards, gradually increasing them over time?
Keighley’s underlying point is obviously correct. Rather than checking the league tables we’re going to have a future constantly wondering who is up and who is down on IMG’s spreadsheet. So marginal are the differences between these clubs that it’s ripe for short-termism and bogus record-keeping. For starters – and we’ve already seen this – clubs are going to be churning out ever-more fictitious attendance figures.
Is this really something people relish? I don’t see how it drives expansion, I don’t see how it drives interest in the sport, it’s not obvious how it will enhance TV ratings or viewing figures and it seems likely to detract from on-field activity. It will entrench the power of the biggest clubs and will weaken those on the margins. And for what benefit?
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Captain's challenge overturns not just the penalty but the sin binning. That must be a first?
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It needs saying: Barrie Mac incorrectly corrected Wilkin's Andy Currier commentary memory! Ray French did say "where's he going, he's still going".
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This is the availability for the Leeds-Huddersfield game, medium or low in all areas. Probably looking at similar to the Catalan game, around 14k, perhaps a bit less with fewer away fans.
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What’s going on in Yorkshire
in The General Rugby League Forum
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Thanks for the history lesson
Of course there's a bit of a difference between what Hetherington says about the state of Leeds before he and Caddick took over and the reality.
Regardless, the difference is whilst Caddick put some money in at the time, he had it all repaid quite quickly and has never needed to put it back in. Indeed for most of the past 20 years Leeds have been lending money to the rest of the Caddick group.