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  1. On 25/03/2022 at 00:28, yipyee said:

    I hope we don't end up with another hull situation in that Hull fc were competing at the top end of SL and then kr got promoted and we now have 2 middle run SL clubs, probably due to market saturation for fans and players. This is always dressed up as a positive though due to the 2 Derby games.

    I'm not from Hull but I'm willing to bet that absolutely isn't how the Hull sporting market works. 

    Like so many before who strategise mergers and shuffle around phantom clubs to play in new cities in front of phantom fans you are trying to overlay a rational consumer model onto a very mature sporting market. And fundamentally fail, as all these things do, to understand what really motivates the consumer of sports - it isn't like choosing which of two supermarkets you go to and if a new one opens the existing one loses half its customers. That's ridiculous.

    In short - Hull FC being chronically bad for a long time isn't due to Hull KR being promoted.

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  2. 30 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

    As long as you don't come along later asking for consistency.

    Or complain that an offence got a lenient on-field punishment.

    Totally agree with this - discretion by definition is the enemy of consistency.

    The main things we should be focussing on aren't the big and obvious ones like Bentley etc. It's the marginal stuff where in my view they have lost their way - and that was always going to be the case given the way the thing has been implemented and communicated.

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  3. 4 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

    So Leeds, well, Oxen released 5 - yes 5 retro shirts today - so that is now 8 shirts they've released this year, and the retro shirts look absolutely horrendously cheap, like those knock off football shirts you see in cheap souvenir shops.




    Firstly the top two. They look horrendous without the Carling Black Label logo in the centre. They just look incomplete, which they are - I don't know why  you'd want to wear something like that.

    And the red shirt is not the away kit from that year as Oxen describe it. That was white, I had one. This red thing is the third kit which I think only got a run out at Thrum Hall when apparently both our home and away clashed.

    The rest are ok in terms of look if not quality or concept  although the 94-95 one does look slightly off. 

    And yes that's the 94-95 kit. Tetley's, your name is on it despite you continually putting 'proud sponsors since 1995' on your stadium advertising. Your deal actually started the previous year.

    (Pedantic, me?)

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  4. 1 hour ago, The Future is League said:

    With Michael Maguire on the verge of being dismissed by West Tigers i wonder if Leeds could be interested?

    Not sure you'd ever want a coach to jump from being sacked at one job to another one straight away without some downtime to reflect and de-stress, and I guess Maguire is smart enough to know that even if he was interested.

    As for whether he'd be a good coach in SL now. Well the plague of his tactics still to some degree infects the British game so perhaps he would be a good candidate. The sport is trying to emerge from the dismal legacy of that era though so on the other hand perhaps not. 

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  5. 2 minutes ago, LeeF said:

    So the coaches have admitted that they can’t coach their players to play within the laws of the game so have insisted that the Match Officials stop fully enforcing the laws. Brilliant 

    There were some decisions that even the most pro-clampdown advocate, and I largely include myself in that group, could justify. We have to find the right answer and at the moment they definitely haven't. 

    In getting at the genuinely late and high or dangerous tackles we've somehow swept up all sorts of frankly trivial stuff into cards and bans. That was never the intent and the fact that it's been implemented that way reflects a catastrophic failure somewhere at the RFL. 

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  6. Jesus how amateurish this whole thing is. It smacks of bad leadership from top to bottom of the disciplinary/referee dept at the RFL.

    Why wasn't everyone involved like this before the season started? 

    Why was it so seemingly last minute and badly communicated?

    How can a radical reassessment like this possibly be spun as anything other than that the existing approach was wrong or a failure?

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  7. Jeez @JohnM appears to be confusing the long-term successful running of a Rugby League business with the inevitable ups and downs of the Rugby League team those businesses operate. 

    Imagine if both happened at the same time - like huge financial losses year after year AND having say Adrian Lam coach your side to abject performance after abject performance. Then there really would need to be some soul searching.

  8. 54 minutes ago, Scubby said:

    But the most important administrator in the country right now Ralph Rimmer was in charge of Sheffield pre and post merger with Huddersfield. They were blessed weren't they?

    I think the record of those clubs under him tells its own story. How he lucked into the conveyor belt that led to him getting the top job is a mystery.

  9. 3 hours ago, Simon Hall said:

    A Sheffield club is still going now. Not the same one Hetherington founded, that's in Huddersfield.

    If nothing else the story of Sheffield Eagles shows how quickly things can financially fall apart at outpost clubs once the tight reign of a skilled administrator is released.

    Of course the same can happen at heartland clubs too. Wigan haven't bothered being financially viable in coming up to three decades now, so it shows if you're willing to pour money down the drain anything is possible.

  10. 10 hours ago, Eddie said:

    Just watched this on Amazon Prime, it’s about the Leeds Rhino’s ‘golden generation’. Never seen it before but enjoyed it a lot, worth a watch if you haven’t seen it. 

    You could probably pinpoint the evening of the red carpet premier of this film as the day McDermott and his team started to believe they were always destined for success rather than earning it through hard work and a little bit of good fortune.

  11. 12 hours ago, JohnM said:

    Yes of course I knew. Its common for club owners to do that. In his case, using his Everest double glazing commission.Its a tough business to be in, as I'm sure you know.

    Is it embarrassment at the chaotic way Lenagan has run Wigan that causes you to lash out at more successful club bosses in this way?

  12. 2 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

    They finished 13 of 14 last year. Why? 

    They might find more success in the less brutal Super League but they would be a risk - and that's not something Leeds are in a position to take right now. 

    I'm sure some longstanding Leeds fans of a nostalgic bent would welcome the chance to boo Ben Walker again though.

  13. 51 minutes ago, JohnM said:

    Hetherington is no Lindsay.

    TBA is no Graham Lowe.

    Lindsay and Hetherington are the only CEOs I can think of that multiple top coaches have trusted to spot and sign good players. No idea where Lindsay picked that up from. Hetherington obviously is a former top flight head coach himself.

  14. 28 minutes ago, Padge said:

    I think his point is that Hetherington is an @r53

    Yes lots of opposition fans seem to think that. Perhaps his being right on every major Rugby League issue for the past three decades is starting to grate. 

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  15. 1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

    Does it get better?

    My point is that is the first thing that Gary Hetherington should have said even if he says it later.

    It's a very open, very interesting, very revealing discussion. Sorry if it doesn't hit a couple of bingo words for you in the first half minute. But you're unlikely to see anything like it from any other departing head coach and his boss.

  16. 22 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

    Only watched the first 30 seconds.

    Leadership 101.  Whatever the reasons for the employee leaving his position, the first thing you do is thank him for his contribution and express regret that you have arrived at this point. 

    Yes, everyone probably knows that it is just platitudes but when the guy is clearly hurting next to you, it is what you do.

    I suggest you watch more than the first 30 seconds.

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  17. 7 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:



    Ward, Flanagan, Watson, (T Smith)- fine

    Carr, Monaghan - would consider their cv's but would need convincing

    Wane - gut says no but would definitely talk to him if he expressed an interest (which is probably unlikely). Hope he's grown more ability to function outside Wigan than he showed in his Leeds playing career

    McNamara - absolutely not

    McGuire - no, not now

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