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#2962608 Bradford officially relegated

Posted by gutterfax on 21 July 2014 - 04:32 AM

Sad day for the RFL who will no doubt now have to reduce the rent they can charge on the iconic ground they lease to Bradford.  :smoke:


As for those who think the Championship top 4 will have a chance of going up......last Year London Broncos were an utter basket case (almost as bad as this year) and yet they dealt to the 2 best Championship sides with ease in the cup. To get to the 4 v 5 Play-off game, this championship team will have had to of at first qualified by beating not only the other top 3 sides from their division, but also by beating at least one SL side.......a SL side with a far superior salary cap allowance and probably more "foreign" players......who they will then have to beat again.

Snowballs have a better chance in hell.........as with licencing, which the RFL gave a whopping 4 years to prove itself before canning it, the goalposts will be moved again inside the next 6 years, once the championship chairmen realise they've been fed a line and in fact, the SL 12 are even more secure now than they ever were under a non P&R Licencing system.

Personally, I'd love the French XIII elite to get up and running as a 100% professional league financed by their own TV deal and for Catalans to join them leaving the M62 to  play what would be as isolated a sport as curling is to the Scottish highlands.........Knock Down Nigel is doing to the RFL what he did to Halifax........and some of you are actually cheering him on?

#2961081 Will the Broncos be swallowed up by the Championship?

Posted by gutterfax on 18 July 2014 - 11:54 AM

I don't totally blame Hughes because the club were already on a downward spiral when he took full control of the club. The rot started by becoming Quins and moving to RU HQ - a blindingly stupid move which the club has made 3 times and always ended up with crowds falling (the people behind these choices are the real culprits).

You also have to blame the licensing criteria of needing a 10k stadium which kept the Broncos locked into the Stoop. If they had moved to the Hive with McDermott still in charge, I think it would have seem crowds increase because it was passionless as Quins RL.

2006/7and 8 delivered the best 3 year period average attendance figures in the clubs SL history. As I've S'au elsewhere what we were called and where we played are not the problwm

#2960219 Will the Broncos be swallowed up by the Championship?

Posted by gutterfax on 17 July 2014 - 01:45 AM

Well, unfortunately, that's how the cookie has crumbled and there is no one to blame but the Broncos themselves for their predicament.

Spot on......and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wanted the club to succeed more than me, but Jesus H Christ on a bike....have ever a club been managed worse in the history of ANY sport?
Dead by 2016.......thanks Hughes you stupid cu.....

#2958726 Back to the old future.

Posted by gutterfax on 14 July 2014 - 12:18 AM

 They could be back in SL at the end of next year with galvanised support. A team winning its way back into SL would be a great boost for RL on London


1. The only way promotion will be won under the 888 system is if a team in SL goes bust........and London will struggle to make the middle 8 next year anyway.

2. London made a challenge cup final, finished 2nd and also made 2 play-offs......none of which was a boost for London RL.


fact is, if you want to have a team in London at the top level it takes more than just Money as Hughes has shown.......it takes intelligent use of money and passionate belief and determination. The damage done since he took sole ownership of the club in 2008/9 is, I believe, irreparable.

#2958687 13/07/14 - Warrington Wolves v London Broncos KO 3pm

Posted by gutterfax on 13 July 2014 - 09:57 PM

You're becoming as tiresome as GF

Hughes is to blame for the destruction of a club that in 2006 stood on the brink of something special. At every stage he made mistakes......even when given additional cash to boost the marketing he employed the wrong people into wrong positions.
Tiresome it may be to hear, but it is 100% factual. London broncos may well be homeless next year.......if not, I suspect over half their central funding will go on renting the hive.......everywhere you look at the club and to "plans" for next year, nothing adds up.

#2956627 More good news coming from the Broncos

Posted by gutterfax on 09 July 2014 - 03:39 AM

Oh I agree Hughes is a key man. But I've yet to see evidence that he will be leaving.


Broncos with Hughes have a future as a Championship side and maybe more. London without Hughes are destined for Championship 1.


I know you think Hughes has had more than a hand in Broncos' downfall and you have a point but him leaving with no replacement would be a disaster.


I just don't see that happening in the next couple of years. After that who knows?

Hughes has to go. Regardless of if the club slip further down the leagues, he is like a cancer at the club, eating away at it from the inside. All the while he thinks he's doing the right thing, but honestly.....what he's achieved whilst flushing 13 million down the tubes, if I were his kids, I'd have had him sectioned by now.


As they say, the difference between insanity and eccentricity is a few million....

#2956200 More good news coming from the Broncos

Posted by gutterfax on 07 July 2014 - 11:44 PM

I have been told that the Hive are not interested in Year 2 of the hastily agreed Blake Solly deal. Therefore, If London are to remain at the Hive it will be as paying tenants in 2015......

Now, with the average this year sitting at 1,251 and if we generously say 1,000 of those are paying customers, then it would seem that if £260k on the door and another £260k in the bars etc doesn't float AK'S boat, then the club will need to pay the Hive MORE THAN THEY WERE BEING CHARGED AT THE STOOP which in 2012 was £222,244. £900,000 parachute payment + whatever Hughes stumps up will not cover a team challenging for the middle 8 IMHO......


As for the good news in the title of this thread.....signing up kids is hardly a reason to pop champagne corks, but it shows how far Hughes and his lackies have dragged down expectations of supporters.

#2955199 Russian Rugby League (Merged threads)

Posted by gutterfax on 05 July 2014 - 07:08 PM

Is this quite possibly the most insecure thread EVER? After conspiracy theorists announce with great assurance that this is the work of the IRB, with words in the right ears, it turns out it is little more than an attempt to ensure that players welfare is looked after.
And RL fans wonder why the sport struggles outside of its heartlands!?????

#2937997 31/05/2014 - London Broncos v Hull FC KO 3pm

Posted by gutterfax on 01 June 2014 - 11:38 PM

Still a lot of matches to go?

Seriously I don't want to put a downer on things but it looked almost certain that London were going down this year at the beginning of the season.


London were relegated the moment David Hughes decided to wobble last year, although the reality is the club itself was doomed the moment that Ian Lenegan was told he couldn't be involved and the Meglomaniac Oil Broker took sole charge of the club.......his decision making is only matched in it's insanity by his continued pouring of millions into the black hole he created. His record as sole owner in SL since the end of 2008 is currently 36 wins from 150 games and 72% less fans in attendance.


2014's statistics make depressing reading......43 points shipped per game, losing by 30. Average attendance of 1,115 which includes 50% of that being "away" fans and all income other than RFL money going to the landlord........and not a snowballs chance in hell of staying up.


The real concern is that in 2015, with less SKY funding, any talent that we have will be picked up by SL clubs and we will struggle to make the middle 8........and as depressing as it sounds, there may be no London presence in either of the top 2 tiers in RL by 2016. That is the legacy of David Hughes............

#2922731 bronco's into admin

Posted by gutterfax on 29 April 2014 - 08:29 PM

I just think London is prohibitively expensive and difficult to breach considering the number of other attractions to compete with. If we want to make waves down south surely better to target some of the new towns etc? Hemel Hempstead seems like a better chance. 



London is expensive, that's for sure and the 10% allowance on the cap that they currently get is a joke, but the problem isn't just economic, nor geographic. It's managerial. 

London were essentially dropped into SL and expected to get on with it. The only consideration they got was additional foreign players and even that was done on an ad-hoc basis. There was no planning, no forecasting and no accountability, just simply "here's your Sky money...get on with promoting the game"

Within 18 months of this mentality, Paris SG were gone, but London, through the dedication of some ex-pat northern supporters and a few wealthy backers with a belief (but no plan) have managed to stumble on for an additional 18 seasons, whilst the RFL have offered little other than lip service in the way of support. 


I believe that a London SL team can attract 10,000 fans to games and I also believe that the roots put down in SW/W London that are bearing fruit now, can be replicated in other areas, but not by simply flushing good money after bad. There has to be a plan, with rewards and consequences, KPI's and a management that reports to the owners on progress regularly......not David Hughes ploughing 2 million a year into a failing team, with his failing coach and with no business or marketing strategy....AND REFUSING TO ACCEPT ADVICE FROM AMYONE BEGAUSE IT'S HIS TEAM!


When London moved to the Stoop in 2006, Harlequins averaged 4k at best and we had 5k...........now with their OTR games and events, they average 20k, whilst London average 1k....the bloke that built Quins to the 20k mark is now in charge of Melbourne Storm...he also runs the company that promoted the RLWC semi Big Hit and the Sarries Wembley events.....he believed Londons SL team would work, but Hughes and him didn't "get on"......and look where that's got us!


If and when they decide to try again in the capital, then the Melbourne Storm model needs to be copied.....and sorry if it upsets some, but f^^k the upset pit village mentality that "it's not fair"....if you want a game to be taken seriously internationally, then firstly, it needs to be taken seriously nationally and without London, you've no chance!

#2922473 bronco's into admin

Posted by gutterfax on 29 April 2014 - 12:15 AM

Not quite approved. Obviously they would be punished. It might just take a while to get round to their books

Season 1 the broncos should have been part owned by sky and part owned by the other SL clubs.....double the level of funding of the other teams with 25% of that being allocated for development and no limit on loan players from other clubs.........you can be damn sure that they would have been better run from day 1 and would have maybe moved once in 20 years......not 5 times and lastly to a miniature training facility!

#2922376 bronco's into admin

Posted by gutterfax on 28 April 2014 - 07:12 PM

Is (what I think, but I am glad to be corrected) the NRL model of expansion team funded centrally and buying success the only way forward? that's what they did with melbourne isn't it? They may well break the cap but as long as it is only checked after plenty of success bringing the fans in that shouldn't matter...

Part 1 central funding= yes
Part 2 approved cheating = no

#2922065 bronco's into admin

Posted by gutterfax on 28 April 2014 - 04:19 AM

Broncos should have bitten the bullet. SW London is where they should have stayed. Relegated for sure but not Barnet. Barnet is a rugby desert. Im not going there.

Tell Hughes! He's the idiot who has, in one sweeping move, destroyed years of work laying down roots for development.

#2920683 bronco's into admin

Posted by gutterfax on 24 April 2014 - 07:51 PM

London broncos in SL wod only ever work as a professional business if supported along the same lines as Melbourne storm in the NRL. As well meaning as Hughes may be, he is an idiot. If it were 2 million a year of he RFL's money they were flushing Down the loo then you can be damn sure they wouldn't be in the mess they are now!

#2920069 Towns involved in French RL

Posted by gutterfax on 23 April 2014 - 01:37 AM

Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but It's just something random I've been thinking about...


You get people who aren't into RL pointing out that the English game is basically restricted to Northern towns and the M62 corridor, but what's the situation like over the Channel?


Basically, just what kind of size are the "Elite" towns like Lezignan, Pia, Carcassonne etc? Also, are these places good territory for RL, or do you have football and Union as extra competition?


Another random question - how strong is the "Catalans" identity? Is the club fanbase restricted to Perpignan, or do fans travel from across the region (and possibly even Spanish Catalonia)?


Finally, could there ever be a time that RL makes headway into northern France, or is it always set to remain a regional thing?


From memory.....

Villeneuve population 22k....has a Union club as well

Avignon Population 90k...minor soccer club in residence

Toulouse pop 2 million top tier union and soccer clubs in town

Lezignan pop 10,000...only game in town

Carcassonne 50,000 both rugby codes

Limoux 350k in the region both codes are popular

Saint-Gaudens region about 1 million both codes

Lescure draws from a population of about 150,000 with both codes and soccer catered for


Can't speak for the awareness Catalans bring to the party, but the top tier of French RL is pretty much in the south west, whilst Union is slightly more spread across the south and middle of the country with 2 teams in the north propped up by billionaires and soccer is ######' everywhere! Basketball is a popular team sport in urban centres too.


French RL needs cash, structure and leadership IMHO. Get those in place and sooner rather than later, Catalans can join their own comp....