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Member Since 28 Mar 2011
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In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

05 August 2014 - 08:55 AM

I actually think we may see a small amount of movement between the leagues. Not a great deal but a little maybe 1 or 2 in the first 5 years, the massively contrived system and wicked wango card (for the Friends fans) masquerading as the million pound game that isnt for a million pounds (its for more, why are we underselling it?) ensures a pretty small amount of movement . The problem will arise for those clubs not in the season they are promoted but the year after.

Any lower league club will have to over spend to reach the £1m Salary Cap, they will also likely need to overpay a couple of bigger names to get them in to SL. They will then start at a huge disadvantage the next year scrambling around for the scraps after the best talent has been signed up as promoted clubs have always had to.

They will also need to pay players a bit more as 'risk money' due to the fact they are quite likely to go back down and the new signings lose their contracts.

This will leave the promoted club in a position where their market for players is smaller, they are less attractive and have to pay more, and also a shorter amount of time in which to prepare as well as the need to reward the players who got them promoted with SL wages as they are now SL players.

So the club signs all these players just to try and be competitive with everyone else, loses an awful lot of games, probably makes a loss in its first season up (an almost universal result) then drops back in to the bottom 8. If that club is then relegated again it will need to shed about £900k of its salary cap have a lot less funding for the rest of their costs, whilst still trying to be competitive with not only teams spending that £900k but with other championship sides playing championship players championship wages that is going to absolutely destroy a club.

even though there is more funding, a Yo-yoing in this system is not only more likely, but more damaging.

I agree with most of that too. The reason behind me saying no champ club will get promoted is. The funding and cap is too big to bridge the gap. Also the teams that are most likely to end up in the bottom four will outbid a champ club for a player if they see him as a threat to their Top tier status. Ie just say an ageing sinfield becomes available for champ clubs and they offer say 60k for his services a team like wakey will say wait a minute he could be a threat to our survival we will offer him 70k etc. the salary cap and funding will stop the champ clubs competing IMO.

In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

05 August 2014 - 08:23 AM

yes I know. Jaundiced viewpoint? How is outlining other forms of income that the RFL receive, which is almost exclusively for the development of rugby league otside SL?

SKY do 'all that' so they can broadcast SL. Hazarding a guess eh? I prefer informed opinion myself.

do you seriously believe that no one knows the importance of money?

next year a club from outside Super League could be promoted to it.

is there a club currently outside Super League that has the remotest chance of being a force in the game on the field? having the same strategic importance to the game that London has? Even being competitive on the field? Achieving anything remotely the same things on the field as the Bulls.

I repeat because this seems to pass you by, this situation is in place next year

I agree angelo. But I personally think this will be irrelevant. As I can't see one team getting promoted under this new system as long as it lasts. The funding and salary cap will make sure of that. Unless a top flight club implode or decide to scrimp and save one season( which is highly unlikely with what's at stake) also the funding they will recieve. I just wonder how long it will take the champ clubs who spend a million cap every season to realise its throwing money away. Just hope those clubs don't get into financial trouble trying to get into the elite league. This system favours the elite league clubs big time. People were calling for P&R now they have it and alot are happy with it but once they realise their club is never going to get into the top league with this system. I wonder how long it will be before people are calling for a change again?

In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

02 August 2014 - 12:25 PM

I agree but it does make one ponder....

Not everyone in the Manchester/Salford area are football followers, probably the minority of the overall population. Especially as the likes of Utd attract fans from around the country on match days. Yep, football gets the huge media publicity and whilst lots more will take a interest in whats happening they, as in the majority, are still not attending football games.

Yet the general public certainly have an appetite for sport and attending major sporting events even if they have no previous interest. Yep, I know its the event rather than the actual sport being played that attracts them. It seems to me we don't have events that work on the public imagination.

I don't think playing a regular league game or similar will be such a event to attract "non RL followers. Certainly not in any significant numbers. I count magic in that too as certainly from my perspective I see it as just a regular round all-be-it I can watch other regular type games and hence it captures more those interested already in RL rather that a "non follower." Its good for us but it don't capture the general public

It seems to me that the event we should have for refreshing interest is internationals and/or tournament such as a rugby nines. If we look at the commonwealth games the RU sevens attracted huge crowds and I bet most normally have no interest in either code of Rugby. Yep I know it was the commonwealth games that captured the must attend imagination of the non follower. Yet it showed the appetite for attending sporting occasions/major events. I don't count Challenge Cup or Grand Final as they are normal cycle events and whilst some non followers it is mainly the RL community and fans that attend.

I see it as events that capture the media, even if only local media that builds up the profile of the game. So rather than taking regular games on the road I would look to nines/sevens type tournaments in which their is a knock out to a final over a day or weekend and of course internationals as the starting vehicles for raising profile.

I agree John. As the internationals seem to be the way forward as the World Cup showed with big interest with the crowds. My concern is where have these extra fans gone? Was it just the World Cup scene that brought the interest? Or were these fans actually excited about our sport? I think the first point is more plausible as like I say where have these extra fans gone? Which we attracted with the World Cup.

In Topic: The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

01 August 2014 - 12:48 PM

Dunno. They may well be, though, and at Wigan, or Man City, or United. Of course, some may no longer live there given the massive redevelopments in the area, Some may have just given up on the game after many years of decline/failed new dawns, watching on Sky, doing something else....

That's the problem the Manchester area as. Would you watch a mediocre salford side or a poor Oldham side or watch man city or man united? Its a no brainer unless your a rugby league mad fan which many dont exist now a days really. Its a football world and for Oldham and Salford to compete with the 2 very successful footy teams it is always going to be hard to attract fans.

In Topic: Super League Run In to the Play offs

01 August 2014 - 12:40 PM

Saints will win the league. The rhinos will win the CC and Wigan will win the GF. That's that sorted lol.